How do pre-meds network?

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I'm heading to my 1st conference for some abstracts later this year. I'm assuming it's a large networking event, but I have no idea how it goes. Is the whole point to look for research collaborators? What is consider courteous and what isn't among physicians/researchers, specifically when it comes to networking in a medically-related conference.

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It's one of those - never too early to start - sort of things in my eyes

I thought it was useful if you're planning on a career in research because of the possibility of collaboration. I don't know why pre-meds who aren't planning on staying in research would care, but maybe I'm wrong. It still feels like something business majors should have to deal with, not us.
 
There's this website called student doctor network, not sure if you've heard of it. It's a good resource for "networking"
 
The only type of networking that can exist between pre-med/Physician is that of student/mentor. (unless the doctor is an uncle, grandparent, aunt, parent, child hood friend, brother, sister, cousin, etc..)
Therefore act like a student(don't ask silly questions, be respectful, address them as Dr.X, etc..)

Also I wouldn't bother talking to most pre-meds in real life.. Statistically most of em' won't even be pre-meds in a few year, and even fewer will actually make it into medical school. Heck, you might be one of em' or I could too.
 
I thought it was useful if you're planning on a career in research because of the possibility of collaboration. I don't know why pre-meds who aren't planning on staying in research would care, but maybe I'm wrong. It still feels like something business majors should have to deal with, not us.
Lol. Meeting people in professional/semi-professional environments (i.e., networking) is something everyone needs to do. I have carried business cards on me every day since sophomore year. I have the emails/numbers (and thus the attention) of an eclectic group of people. They may all be useless one-time meetings, but some of them have already been more than that.

But I agree, networking at a research conference is useless if you don't care to stay in research. Especially at the undergrad level, it's low-yield. You can find other cool college friends, though.
 
Lol. Meeting people in professional/semi-professional environments (i.e., networking) is something everyone needs to do. I have carried business cards on me every day since sophomore year. I have the emails/numbers (and thus the attention) of an eclectic group of people. They may all be useless one-time meetings, but some of them have already been more than that.

But I agree, networking at a research conference is useless if you don't care to stay in research. Especially at the undergrad level, it's low-yield. You can find other cool college friends, though.

While handing out cards isn't a bad thing (little strange when you're a student IMO), I don't see how "networking" could be something that students need to do. Going to a PI to talk about working in their lab is essentially applying for a job, and reaching out to a volunteering organization is just directly asking to get involved with them, so I don't see this as networking.

Networking is more about meeting people or putting yourself in a position to meet people in a social context in order to acquire contacts that might further your career down the line. Going to a conference to make connections in your research field falls into this category. I don't see anything like this as being necessary or even all that beneficial for a pre-med, unless you're just really into that sort of thing.
 
Could anyone comment on the dynamics of the professional sphere between physicians/deans/hospital administrators/researchers at these events. Is it different than perhaps a business conference? Are medically related conferences generally uptight and tense, or are they formal but friendly. Any air of competition among institutions, etc. I hope to attend conferences throughout my career.


edit: thanks for all the input as well
 
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Could anyone comment on the dynamics of the professional sphere between physicians/deans/hospital administrators/researchers at these events. Is it different than perhaps a business conference? Are medically related conferences generally uptight and tense, or are they formal but friendly. Any air of competition among institutions, etc. I hope to attend conferences throughout my career.
edit: thanks for all the input as well

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Use the event to practice selling yourself. Networking is a great way to get over any nervousness meeting random, new people and can help create opportunities. Granted, I'm a proponent of this because I'm a business major, so take this with a grain of salt.
 
This website has been my best resource for interacting with fellow premeds. The premeds I've met in person (barring a few I work with) are typically poor students who have a very "holier than thou" attitude. This website has been great, though.. especially the MCAT forum.
 
Our unofficial playbook is this - If it's a high profile or generally higher stature individual, do some homework prior, then meet them, introduce yourself and explain your background (research/work experience/educational path). Essentially an elevator pitch. If they're interested in learning more, they'll ask more in-depth, probing questions that they'll relate to their past experiences. If not, they'll usually say something like "great to meet you", ask surface level questions out of courtesy, then engage someone else while saying it was their pleasure.

If it's someone other than a big shot, take the initiative and ask questions to learn more about the other person. Typically they'll ask similar questions of you, and then you'll be off on making good connections. Use networking events to get a first hand experience of the myriad of personalities that exist out there so that you can identify certain types in your future careers. These events can also help to look at situations from new angles, and can help you see ways that your future career can take on new forms. Would you be interested in doing research? Or working with the Joint Commission? Or maybe lending time to volunteering with an NGO? The best way to figure things like this out is to network, and run into folks doing these things at these events.
 
Lol. Meeting people in professional/semi-professional environments (i.e., networking) is something everyone needs to do. I have carried business cards on me every day since sophomore year. I have the emails/numbers (and thus the attention) of an eclectic group of people. They may all be useless one-time meetings, but some of them have already been more than that.

But I agree, networking at a research conference is useless if you don't care to stay in research. Especially at the undergrad level, it's low-yield. You can find other cool college friends, though.

Lol nothing personal, but handing out business cards as a pre medical student sounds hilariously pretentious.
 
Our unofficial playbook is this - If it's a high profile or generally higher stature individual, do some homework prior, then meet them, introduce yourself and explain your background (research/work experience/educational path). Essentially an elevator pitch. If they're interested in learning more, they'll ask more in-depth, probing questions that they'll relate to their past experiences. If not, they'll usually say something like "great to meet you", ask surface level questions out of courtesy, then engage someone else while saying it was their pleasure.

If it's someone other than a big shot, take the initiative and ask questions to learn more about the other person. Typically they'll ask similar questions of you, and then you'll be off on making good connections. Use networking events to get a first hand experience of the myriad of personalities that exist out there so that you can identify certain types in your future careers. These events can also help to look at situations from new angles, and can help you see ways that your future career can take on new forms. Would you be interested in doing research? Or working with the Joint Commission? Or maybe lending time to volunteering with an NGO? The best way to figure things like this out is to network, and run into folks doing these things at these events.

great advice! thanks!
 
Lol nothing personal, but handing out business cards as a pre medical student sounds hilariously pretentious.
I wasn't a typical premed (i.e., science major, few workplace skills, professionally unidimensional). Think what you want, but no one bats an eyelash when you offer to exchange cards to keep in contact at conferences or big professional gatherings. It's one of those things that only students find weird because we're not used to it. Outside of academia, everyone carries cards, even the lowliest of office workers; you're weird if you DON'T have one. It helps people remember you and makes a goddamn good impression. Argue over whether you think it's necessary or not, but many an internship/work/volunteer opportunity have come about because I was prepared. They're the type of opportunities that don't come about with cold emailing and they're the type of "unique" things premeds are always asking on SDN how to pursue.

This is the single most valuable thing that my undergrad's career office taught me. Take it as you will, it got me where I am today. If you're a traditional premed, I agree, this is unnecessary. But people have the right to (and should) aspire to be more. To be totally utilitarian, you'll be more desirable in the application process if you use this method well and meet the right people at the right places.
 
Agreed. If I had any position of authority and some 19 year old kid handed me a god damn business card I would slap him upside the head
Dude please. They're not candy. You don't offer them up to everyone you meet. You never offer first. Only if there's a productive conversation and after they've agreed to keep in contact and hand you THEIR cars. Then you take the initiative and give them yours. It's natural, there's no awkwardness, and no one will remember in the moment that you're just some kid in college.
 
@avgn What do you put on the business cards?
Name
Email
Phone
Website???

Is that card simple, or elaborate?
 
@avgn What do you put on the business cards?
Name
Email
Phone
Website???

Is that card simple, or elaborate?
Name, university, major, year, email, cell number (make clear it's a cell), LinkedIn URL, mailing address.

Simple layout, no frills or colorful designs. University shield/logo upper left corner if you wish. Serif font, cream card stock, above average weight (at least 12 oz), linen or silk laminated for added class. Your university should have standard layouts for you to work with. They may even have a service to print them for you.

These are good template ideas to build off of: https://www.campusservices.harvard.edu/system/files/documents/1502/HarvardBusinessCardOrderForm.pdf
 
The type of pre-meds who hands out business cards is the type who would put their interviews to top 5's in their taglines with requests for PMs, lol.
Bro but how else would I give my fellow interviewees any business cards ya feel :naughty:

And honestly one of the best things about traveling is meeting people. Why is it acceptable to be friendly online but not IRL? If there are closet SDNers at my interview day, I wanna meet them. We can complain together about @Winged Scapula breathing down our necks too often 😉
 
If it's a medical conference (e.g. AAMC), or a specialty specific conference (e.g. general surgery meetings like the American College of Surgeons) - it will be pretty formal.

There is always an aspect of friendliness/collegiality as a number of these people have been friends/colleagues for years to decades.

There is still definitely a strong hierarchy at meetings like this, and outside of dedicated networking or meet-the-leadership events the faculty keep to themselves.

I made the mistake once of going to a resident/med-student mixer at a surgical society meeting once. Lol, never again. I felt like I was about to get crushed by the unwashed masses who seemed to think I could help them land an interview/match at my program. Ick. In fact I had a number of people trying to hand me business cards or resumes. No thanks.

This is the perspective I was looking for - thanks for the input.
 
Bro but how else would I give my fellow interviewees any business cards ya feel :naughty:

And honestly one of the best things about traveling is meeting people. Why is it acceptable to be friendly online but not IRL? If there are closet SDNers at my interview day, I wanna meet them. We can complain together about @Winged Scapula breathing down our necks too often 😉
What does your business card say? I'm just curious because I wouldn't know what do with one aside from email, name and phone?

"Arnold Glasgow, Future B.S. Biology, Future MD,"
 
What does your business card say? I'm just curious because I wouldn't know what do with one aside from email, name and phone?

"Arnold Glasgow, Future B.S. Biology, Future MD,"
That sounds so corny
"future MD" lol
 
And its a skillset that needs to be developed and have from Day 1 of medical school. How else do you develop it?

Does it? Maybe it just works differently in Canada, and I have no direct experience with this obviously, but I've spoken with a lot of med students here and they've all said that it's just about making a good impression on your superiors during your rotations with your medical knowledge and patient interaction etc. Do you consider this to be a type of networking? I thought of it as just working hard and being good at your job. I know with certainty that my brother never went to any conferences or anything like that and got into a competitive residency just through positive evals. When would networking be explicitly required, after residency?
 
My PI uses his network extensively for funding (100k once!) - mostly every meeting when we come to the question "but how can we get etc. etc. to do this" PI would always have a "friend" - it was through him that I got the impression of how useful it must be to know people even in medicine. It makes our project so much easier.
 
It's also always fun to go networking, then be able to say "I know a guy..." when speaking with other folks!
 
The type of pre-meds who hands out business cards is the type who would put their interviews to top 5's in their taglines with requests for PMs, lol.
QFT. It's also the type of pre-med that lists his designer interview clothes in MDapps so everyone knows he's wearing a hermes tie to Harvard haha.
 
QFT. It's also the type of pre-med that lists his designer interview clothes in MDapps so everyone knows he's wearing a hermes tie to Harvard haha.

LOL. Wonder if we would ever see a mid-tier or heaven forbid a lower tier in the tagline.
 
QFT. It's also the type of pre-med that lists his designer interview clothes in MDapps so everyone knows he's wearing a hermes tie to Harvard haha.
You should see the pictures of "inside Harvard" that were posted in the Harvard thread that have undertones of douchebag that convey the "jealous much?" message.
 
LOL. Wonder if we would ever see a mid-tier or heaven forbid a lower tier in the tagline.
I see lots of medical students with their med school in their taglines (from all tiers). I fully support proudly showing pride in the school that you attend, but for II's it seems a bit pre-mature lol.
 
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Hopefully he tones it down for his interviews. Otherwise....

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I see lots of medical students with their med school in their taglines (from all tiers). I fully support proudly showing your pride in the school that you attend, but II's seem a bit pre-mature lol.
With the whole business card thing as a sophomore, I would say pre-mature is probably something of familiarity. 😏

@Mad Jack: Shots fired.

Much love though. Props to him for all of his hard work and shtuff.
 
I dunno, perhaps if you're used to having opportunities handed to you, you think you've got to hand something to others and thus....business cards.

I kid, I kid. I'm just jealous that i didn't start saving the world, and thus have a reason to hand out a business card, until after i graduated!
 
I dunno, perhaps if you're used to having opportunities handed to you, you think you've got to hand something to others and thus....business cards.
Disagree/poke fun at my mannerisms, sure. Call me a douche my posts/tagline, sure. Imply that I'll be waitlisted, sure. That's what makes SDN fun!

But never say that someone is "used to having things handed to them." You never say that to anyone. You don't even know me. I'm needed FAP to ****ing apply, had to make my school choices smartly. Never had **** handed to me. So no, not funny.
 
Disagree/poke fun at my mannerisms, sure. Call me a douche my posts/tagline, sure. Imply that I'll be waitlisted, sure. That's what makes SDN fun!

But never say that someone is "used to having things handed to them." You never say that to anyone. You don't even know me. I'm needed FAP to ****ing apply, had to make my school choices smartly. Never had **** handed to me. So no, not funny.
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@avgn you come off as incredibly entitled. Please do yourself (and all of SDN) a favor and stop expecting interviews at school, especially schools like Yale. And please do not wear a Hermes tie to your interviews. You should not be dressing in nicer clothes than your interviewers.
 
1. I'm loving how this thread has evolved.

2. As a piece of serious advice from a non-trad, I would recommend building out a LinkedIn page. In my industry it is the standard, above business cards, for connecting with individuals. Additionally, people on LinkedIn are typically receptive to cold communication. I have had several awesome coffee and phone meetings with people I reached out to out of the blue.
 
@avgn there's nothing wrong with a Hermes tie (its quite classy without screaming pretentiousness), just no reason to publicly announce that you'll be wearing one.

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I think it's perfectly normal to be super pumped about interviews to HMS and Yale SOM; I probably wouldn't put it in my sig, but there's no reason at all to be up in arms over this.
 
@avgn you come off as incredibly entitled. Please do yourself (and all of SDN) a favor and stop expecting interviews at school, especially schools like Yale. And please do not wear a Hermes tie to your interviews. You should not be dressing in nicer clothes than your interviewers.
I'm not sure where you get the notion that I expect interviews at top schools. If you've seen me post something to that effect, please enlighten me and I'll be more than glad to edit it out since that's not appropriate for a site like this. If your point is that I expect to do well this cycle, then you are correct. Everyone who has put in the time and effort to be prepared can expect certain things from their own application cycle. Like the MCAT threads always remind us,

Also, I bet you have seen a Hermes tie at some point and thought it was a good tie without knowing the brand. But when everyone sees the logo on the reverse side, they start to hate it because the name has a bad rep. The ties come in objectively good patterns and colors that fit well in a professional setting (I mean the standard ones, not the $800-1500 bull****)

But I get it. You don't like me. That's fine. The feeling is mutual. We can stop this pointless anonymous online bickering now. It's quite a sad spectacle..
 
I'm not sure where you get the notion that I expect interviews at top schools. If you've seen me post something to that effect, please enlighten me and I'll be more than glad to edit it out since that's not appropriate for a site like this. If your point is that I expect to do well this cycle, then you are correct. Everyone who has put in the time and effort to be prepared can expect certain things from their own application cycle. Like the MCAT threads always remind us,

Also, I bet you have seen a Hermes tie at some point and thought it was a good tie without knowing the brand. But when everyone sees the logo on the reverse side, they start to hate it because the name has a bad rep. The ties come in objectively good patterns and colors that fit well in a professional setting (I mean the standard ones, not the $800-1500 bull****)

But I get it. You don't like me. That's fine. The feeling is mutual. We can stop this pointless anonymous online bickering now. It's quite a sad spectacle..
Whaaa? You don't like me? That's pretty rude.

You're right, though. I probably have seen plenty of Hermes ties and didn't know the brand, but that's because the person wearing the tie never said "this tie is Hermes and it cost me $130. My shoes are worth $400, by the way".

And I don't expect anything. I've worked my ass off to get here and I am grateful for the interviews I have, but they were by no means expected. I'm not entitled to a seat anywhere and neither are you. For a non-trad, you seem to have skipped acquiring the post-graduation humility that is so refreshing in us older applicants.
 
I'm not sure where you get the notion that I expect interviews at top schools. If you've seen me post something to that effect, please enlighten me and I'll be more than glad to edit it out since that's not appropriate for a site like this. If your point is that I expect to do well this cycle, then you are correct. Everyone who has put in the time and effort to be prepared can expect certain things from their own application cycle. Like the MCAT threads always remind us,

Also, I bet you have seen a Hermes tie at some point and thought it was a good tie without knowing the brand. But when everyone sees the logo on the reverse side, they start to hate it because the name has a bad rep. The ties come in objectively good patterns and colors that fit well in a professional setting (I mean the standard ones, not the $800-1500 bull****)

But I get it. You don't like me. That's fine. The feeling is mutual. We can stop this pointless anonymous online bickering now. It's quite a sad spectacle..
Well you edited the "TBH I expected an interview here" at Yale post you had earlier, hopefully because you realized it made you sound like a pompous donkey, but I am glad that you are learning. :happy:
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