How do surgical residents handle the vigors of residency and beyond?

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I spoke to my PI who's an attending now and a colorectal surgeon on this matter, and he says that he would do 120 hr weeks easily and 36 hr call was the norm. When I stupidly asked him if he ever took a nap, he just looked at me with a straight face and said that you just power through it. And the 80 hrs/week restriction was in effect during his residency.
 
That's what medical school is for. To screen out the wannabes who think they're surgeons but are not.

Lots of people think they're cut out for surgery, and then they find out that they really should go into internal medicine, psych, PMR, family medicine, etc.

General Surgery attracts a special breed of masochist workaholic. The people from my class going into Gen Surg all share common personality traits.
 
That's what medical school is for. To screen out the wannabes who think they're surgeons but are not.

Lots of people think they're cut out for surgery, and then they find out that they really should go into internal medicine, psych, PMR, family medicine, etc.

General Surgery attracts a special breed of masochist workaholic. The people from my class going into Gen Surg all share common personality traits.

Vast majority of med students COULD tolerate the madness that is a surgical residency but many choose not to (or don’t have the necessary step score) - it’s not strictly a matter being cut out for it or not, but rather a balance of priority. Lots of people like the idea of surgery then realize they care far more about things outside of the OR than whatever’s going on inside the OR so choose something else. I said this somewhere else but a plastic surgeon once told me “it takes a lot of smarts to get into surgery, it takes even more smarts not to do surgery.”
 
I always wondered, what does a 120-hour week look like? That's six 20-hour-long work days. Assuming you can fit the round-trip commute, shower, making/eating dinner into 1 hour, that leaves 3 hours for sleep each day?
 
I always wondered, what does a 120-hour week look like? That's six 20-hour-long work days. Assuming you can fit the round-trip commute, shower, making/eating dinner into 1 hour, that leaves 3 hours for sleep each day?
We used to have dorms on site (for the 12 hour break in duty).
Call and post call rounds were about 34 hours at a stretch with clinic starting after a 12 hour break.
This repeats q 3 days.
 
I always wondered, what does a 120-hour week look like? That's six 20-hour-long work days. Assuming you can fit the round-trip commute, shower, making/eating dinner into 1 hour, that leaves 3 hours for sleep each day?
7 days a week, 4:30 am shows up at the hospital, leaves at 9pm. Throw in a day off every now and then, also a few nights in the hospital.
 
120 hours a week is definitely not the norm at probably more than 90% of residency programs. I've found physicians and surgeons in particular sometimes exaggerate how hard they work. I think 80-90 hours a week is pretty average for surgical residents but there may be some rare weeks when it gets up to 120.
 
7 days a week, 4:30 am shows up at the hospital, leaves at 9pm. Throw in a day off every now and then, also a few nights in the hospital.

Can confirm that this schedule is typical for the residents at my surgical rotation right now.

The most import thing in a surgical rotation besides the volume and diff pathologies is the type of people at the program. 24 hrs on call aren’t bad when you’re with a great group of people.
 
120 hours a week is definitely not the norm at probably more than 90% of residency programs. I've found physicians and surgeons in particular sometimes exaggerate how hard they work. I think 80-90 hours a week is pretty average for surgical residents but there may be some rare weeks when it gets up to 120.

Exactly. People aren’t allowed to do those kind of hours anymore. The shift work of most surgery residencies and the presence of night float ensures people aren’t doing insane hours (even if they try—sometimes senior residents get special permission to stay for an interesting case but most programs crack down on hours because the acgme takes that stuff very seriously). Sure, I did some 100 hr weeks in my residency but it was rare.


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How do the residency and post residency lifestyles compare for the different surgical specialties (General/Ortho/Neuro,etc)? Are they all on equal levels of grind or are some more laxed than the other? And if so, how does a “laxed” one compare to Medicine?
 
How do the residency and post residency lifestyles compare for the different surgical specialties (General/Ortho/Neuro,etc)? Are they all on equal levels of grind or are some more laxed than the other? And if so, how does a “laxed” one compare to Medicine?

My 2 cents:
Ortho-hard residency, easier after.
General- I won’t speak for them but from my experience, def hard residency, with varied after (trauma general surgeons work like dogs and have to take in-house call—-eek.)




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Exactly. People aren’t allowed to do those kind of hours anymore. The shift work of most surgery residencies and the presence of night float ensures people aren’t doing insane hours (even if they try—sometimes senior residents get special permission to stay for an interesting case but most programs crack down on hours because the acgme takes that stuff very seriously). Sure, I did some 100 hr weeks in my residency but it was rare.


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Do most surgery residencies have night float? We don't at my program and we didn't at my med school, so I guess I'm not really familiar with it.

I probably work 80-90 hours most weeks. I don't think I go over the 100 hour mark very often. But I honestly don't really pay attention to the hours I'm working because it's not something I have control over.
 
How do the residency and post residency lifestyles compare for the different surgical specialties (General/Ortho/Neuro,etc)? Are they all on equal levels of grind or are some more laxed than the other? And if so, how does a “laxed” one compare to Medicine?

Extremely variable, even within a single subspecialty.
 
I spoke to my PI who's an attending now and a colorectal surgeon on this matter, and he says that he would do 120 hr weeks easily and 36 hr call was the norm. When I stupidly asked him if he ever took a nap, he just looked at me with a straight face and said that you just power through it. And the 80 hrs/week restriction was in effect during his residency.

I take naps pretty frequently because I make it a priority. I probably sleep an average of 4 hours most non-call nights, and napping makes that sustainable. It's pretty rare that I don't nap at all on any given call shift. Even a 20 minute nap can make a huge difference. Sometimes you really do just have to power through it, but it's also usually possible to get a nap in before things get crazy overnight when you're by yourself.
 
We used to have dorms on site (for the 12 hour break in duty).
Call and post call rounds were about 34 hours at a stretch with clinic starting after a 12 hour break.
This repeats q 3 days.

Would love to hear you expand on this...

So you work a 34 hour call shift, 12 hours off, then return to the hospital to work a 12 hour clinic day, then go home for an evening off, then repeat?

What I don’t get about these insane hours is how you have time to do anything else in your life? Like when do you do laundry? Clean your apartment? Cook even a quick breakfast/lunch/dinner? Pay bills? Even go to the grocery store?

It seems doable for a little while but for 7 years it just seems mind boggling
 
Would love to hear you expand on this...

So you work a 34 hour call shift, 12 hours off, then return to the hospital to work a 12 hour clinic day, then go home for an evening off, then repeat?

What I don’t get about these insane hours is how you have time to do anything else in your life? Like when do you do laundry? Clean your apartment? Cook even a quick breakfast/lunch/dinner? Pay bills? Even go to the grocery store?

It seems doable for a little while but for 7 years it just seems mind boggling

I believe gyngyn trained pre-80 hours reform so realize that the limit is now 28 hours in a row. While stuff happens, compliance with duty hour restrictions currently is 100x better than it was years ago.

I used to look forward to my post-call days. Unless it was a really crazy call night, those post call days were great for grocery shopping, various appts, etc. and I could still catch up on sleep. On a weekday, it was less crowded so therefore easier to run errands efficiently. When I worked within a night float system, getting home at 7 pm night after night wouldn't allow me time to get much done at all. But you still figure out how to get it done and/or use your weekends/day off to do it.
 
Home call doesn't count towards duty hours unless you have to actually come in to the hospital. I think the justification is that you get to sleep a lot of that time. I know for some sleeping on home call is a total joke and they get paged all night.
 
Would love to hear you expand on this...

So you work a 34 hour call shift, 12 hours off, then return to the hospital to work a 12 hour clinic day, then go home for an evening off, then repeat?

What I don’t get about these insane hours is how you have time to do anything else in your life? Like when do you do laundry? Clean your apartment? Cook even a quick breakfast/lunch/dinner? Pay bills? Even go to the grocery store?

It seems doable for a little while but for 7 years it just seems mind boggling
This was the Labor and Delivery schedule which was 4 months (nonconsecutive) a year. On the gyn service (which lasted 4 consecutive months a year) you were admitting for 24 hours of call, then post call rounds (variable depending on the number admissions to the service). This was followed by a clinic day. There was a month of night float (8 hours from midnight to 8, 6 days a week).

Ob gyn residency only lasted 4 years.
There wasn't time for anything else, and yes, this was in the early eighties.
 
People are counting on you...

All the juice I ever needed for GWOT. A decade's worth of unpredictable travel, 2 am showtimes, 2 hour briefs followed by 12 hour flights, training soldiers and Marines, watching divorce after divorce, kids who didn't know who their dads were, moving every two-three years, guys spiraling into drug and alcohol abuse to cope with the stress, one guy cracked and landed on the 5th floor.

Some of us grooved on it though.
 
7 days a week, 4:30 am shows up at the hospital, leaves at 9pm. Throw in a day off every now and then, also a few nights in the hospital.

Seriously ruff stuff.

Vast majority of med students COULD tolerate the madness that is a surgical residency but many choose not to (or don’t have the necessary step score) - it’s not strictly a matter being cut out for it or not, but rather a balance of priority. Lots of people like the idea of surgery then realize they care far more about things outside of the OR than whatever’s going on inside the OR so choose something else. I said this somewhere else but a plastic surgeon once told me “it takes a lot of smarts to get into surgery, it takes even more smarts not to do surgery.”

Completely disagree. Millenial medical students are fro-yo soft and CANNOT tolerate the rigor and mean-ness of surgical residency. Today's generation does not have the luxury of a spouse who will put up with that type of neglect, so there you go.
 
Seriously ruff stuff.



Completely disagree. Millenial medical students are fro-yo soft and CANNOT tolerate the rigor and mean-ness of surgical residency. Today's generation does not have the luxury of a spouse who will put up with that type of neglect, so there you go.

Well, agree to disagree I guess. But there’s a difference between being able to tolerate something, and being willing to tolerate something. At the end of the day, we’re just talking about staying up for long hours working with little sleep with few days off - It’s not some magical feat, but it is a pain in the ass. A pain that for some is worth the outcome of being a surgeon, but for most it isn’t (and perhaps millennial med students are less tolerant of giving away so much of their time for their career). So yes - most med students wouldn’t and don’t tolerate a surgical residency or even surgical rotations, but I think it’s more about their lack of motivation to be a surgeon vs their ability to stay up passed their usual bed time.
 
Seriously ruff stuff.



Completely disagree. Millenial medical students are fro-yo soft and CANNOT tolerate the rigor and mean-ness of surgical residency. Today's generation does not have the luxury of a spouse who will put up with that type of neglect, so there you go.
Who says they're married? You don't really know millennials, do you?
 
Who says they're married? You don't really know millennials, do you?

Do you know millenials? The only millenials getting married in higher than average numbers are the upper middle class ones. Substitute spouse with fiancee or SO. Feel better?
 
Would love to hear you expand on this...

So you work a 34 hour call shift, 12 hours off, then return to the hospital to work a 12 hour clinic day, then go home for an evening off, then repeat?

What I don’t get about these insane hours is how you have time to do anything else in your life? Like when do you do laundry? Clean your apartment? Cook even a quick breakfast/lunch/dinner? Pay bills? Even go to the grocery store?

It seems doable for a little while but for 7 years it just seems mind boggling
I'm just a pre-med who is browsing, but during grad school, Instacart and other grocery delivery services saved my arse. The $14 for a subscription that gives you free delivery is a godsend when you've got too much s**t to do.
 
Seriously ruff stuff.



Completely disagree. Millenial medical students are fro-yo soft and CANNOT tolerate the rigor and mean-ness of surgical residency. Today's generation does not have the luxury of a spouse who will put up with that type of neglect, so there you go.

True. I prefer the good ole days when I could slap a female resident's ass and go on with my work week.

Damn metoo-ers
 
I don't have much more to add to some of the great posts above, but I do agree that there are many that probably could do a surgical residency; it's just a matter of where their priorities are and what they find professional and personal satisfaction in doing. There are also very many med students who like the idea of being a surgeon more than the actuality of being a surgeon. Hopefully by the time you get to med school, there is enough maturity coupled with honest self-reflection to know whether or not this is a leap you're willing to make. The sad reality is, there isn't anything else in medicine other than surgery that I could ever do. I'm q3 home call now as a fellow, and it's a lot more "call" than "home." But (I mean no offense to any other specialty) there isn't any way in hell I could ever wake up at 0700 (instead of the 0400-0415 I do now) to go to a full day of family medicine clinic, or rheumatology clinic, or do endless rounding on CHF exacerbation or chest pain rule out. Here's my advice: Be honest with yourself. Perceived prestige of a specialty is a load of horse **** in my opinion. You gotta do what you love and I do wish that all those who are deciding on which path to take in medicine, that they'd all have the same unequivocal peace that I've been blessed to have in whatever decision they make. Cheers.
 
I spoke to my PI who's an attending now and a colorectal surgeon on this matter, and he says that he would do 120 hr weeks easily and 36 hr call was the norm. When I stupidly asked him if he ever took a nap, he just looked at me with a straight face and said that you just power through it. And the 80 hrs/week restriction was in effect during his residency.

I always wondered, what does a 120-hour week look like? That's six 20-hour-long work days. Assuming you can fit the round-trip commute, shower, making/eating dinner into 1 hour, that leaves 3 hours for sleep each day?

I have many mixed emotions about the time constraints of surgical training.

First, I honestly think that you can train an effective, good surgeon in 5 years working 80 hours a week. It requires a good balance of service and education, but it is eminently doable. Based on this, I have always been a bit of an hours stickler with residents I've been in charge of. I expect them to be in the hospital when there is stuff going on, but I also expect and push them to get out quickly when they can. I also routinely chastise our more senior people for keeping junior residents/interns in the hospital unnecessarily. I am a firm believer that a junior resident's job is to make their senior's life easier and that it is a senior's job to take care of the education and well-being of their juniors. Sometimes, that does mean sending them home and doing part of 'the junior's job'. This is not a popular opinion in surgery. I often feel like I am on an island with it.

Second, I will get to my own personal hours in a sec, but 5 years feels like too short of training when you start getting toward the end. Even when you are well trained and saw tons, there is always more that you could have seen or learned. Everyone emphasizes about how when you go into practice you will need senior partners to continue to teach you and grow professionally. I know that in my last couple years of training hours really became meaningless. Either I was needed or I wasn't and either I was learning something or I wasn't. I logged 9-3 every day and just copy-forwarded my hours every week.

Personally...
Clinical duties, my weeks have ranged between 70-120/week. Median probably 80, mean probably 90ish. I only trained in the 80hour work week era. Now, I went to a fairly demanding program, I had weekly case presentations which required podium presentation level preparation (beyond powerpoint, video editing, figure drawing, etc). Many of my presentations became conference presentations, but the majority were just as a part of our program. Then there were journal club, M&M and then research. All told, my 'work' mean is closer to 100-105 hours/week. Lighter clinical weeks simply meant more time spent doing the other things.

All of that having been said, during my 7 years of residency...
Longest continuous time within the hospital, 114 hours. (natural disaster, no faculty in hospital, just myself and my intern in house, was on home call, saw it coming and ran back to hospital knowing that I may not be able to get back in. Then my chairman one upped me by coming in 24 hours after I did in the middle of the disaster giving new definition to 'like a boss'.
Longest continuous time within the hospital, excluding natural disaster, 54 hours.
Longest awake period ~48 hours.
Most days worked consecutively, 34. (amazingly not actually an ACGME violation btw)

You find that when you work as much as this that you need to save time where you can and also cut out things that aren't that important to you. I routinely sleep at the hospital, even when on home call if I end up getting called in. That gives me 30 minutes of extra sleep by itself. I have two lockers at the hospital full of everything that I would possibly need. Work out clothing, toiletries, etc. If I have a spare moment, I will get things done prior to going home if I am stuck at the hospital for something later. Of course, all of this is impossible if you do not have an understanding spouse. My wife's schedule revolves around mine. That doesn't mean that her life does, but it means that she gets up when I get up and we spend time together at really odd times for most people. We share interests and when I'm not in the hospital, she is either asleep or we are doing stuff together. You just make it work.
 
I have many mixed emotions about the time constraints of surgical training.

First, I honestly think that you can train an effective, good surgeon in 5 years working 80 hours a week. It requires a good balance of service and education, but it is eminently doable. Based on this, I have always been a bit of an hours stickler with residents I've been in charge of. I expect them to be in the hospital when there is stuff going on, but I also expect and push them to get out quickly when they can. I also routinely chastise our more senior people for keeping junior residents/interns in the hospital unnecessarily. I am a firm believer that a junior resident's job is to make their senior's life easier and that it is a senior's job to take care of the education and well-being of their juniors. Sometimes, that does mean sending them home and doing part of 'the junior's job'. This is not a popular opinion in surgery. I often feel like I am on an island with it.

Second, I will get to my own personal hours in a sec, but 5 years feels like too short of training when you start getting toward the end. Even when you are well trained and saw tons, there is always more that you could have seen or learned. Everyone emphasizes about how when you go into practice you will need senior partners to continue to teach you and grow professionally. I know that in my last couple years of training hours really became meaningless. Either I was needed or I wasn't and either I was learning something or I wasn't. I logged 9-3 every day and just copy-forwarded my hours every week.

Personally...
Clinical duties, my weeks have ranged between 70-120/week. Median probably 80, mean probably 90ish. I only trained in the 80hour work week era. Now, I went to a fairly demanding program, I had weekly case presentations which required podium presentation level preparation (beyond powerpoint, video editing, figure drawing, etc). Many of my presentations became conference presentations, but the majority were just as a part of our program. Then there were journal club, M&M and then research. All told, my 'work' mean is closer to 100-105 hours/week. Lighter clinical weeks simply meant more time spent doing the other things.

All of that having been said, during my 7 years of residency...
Longest continuous time within the hospital, 114 hours. (natural disaster, no faculty in hospital, just myself and my intern in house, was on home call, saw it coming and ran back to hospital knowing that I may not be able to get back in. Then my chairman one upped me by coming in 24 hours after I did in the middle of the disaster giving new definition to 'like a boss'.
Longest continuous time within the hospital, excluding natural disaster, 54 hours.
Longest awake period ~48 hours.
Most days worked consecutively, 34. (amazingly not actually an ACGME violation btw)

You find that when you work as much as this that you need to save time where you can and also cut out things that aren't that important to you. I routinely sleep at the hospital, even when on home call if I end up getting called in. That gives me 30 minutes of extra sleep by itself. I have two lockers at the hospital full of everything that I would possibly need. Work out clothing, toiletries, etc. If I have a spare moment, I will get things done prior to going home if I am stuck at the hospital for something later. Of course, all of this is impossible if you do not have an understanding spouse. My wife's schedule revolves around mine. That doesn't mean that her life does, but it means that she gets up when I get up and we spend time together at really odd times for most people. We share interests and when I'm not in the hospital, she is either asleep or we are doing stuff together. You just make it work.

I can't wrap my mind around why anyone would voluntarily choose this lifestyle... I am grateful that there are people like you out there who do, but I can't wrap my mind around it.
 
I can't wrap my mind around why anyone would voluntarily choose this lifestyle... I am grateful that there are people like you out there who do, but I can't wrap my mind around it.

The reward of being a surgeon is worth it. I would do residency over again if I had to. There is nothing else like it. 🙂


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The reward of being a surgeon is worth it. I would do residency over again if I had to. There is nothing else like it. 🙂
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Case in point right here. For those who love surgery, the pain of residency is worth it in the end - just like for those who love rounding, the pain of IM is worth it in the end. To each their own.
 
Case in point right here. For those who love surgery, the pain of residency is worth it in the end - just like for those who love rounding, the pain of IM is worth it in the end. To each their own.

Thank god someone out there loves rounding. I would throw myself out the nearest window. 5 minutes in a room is too long for me.


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it's hard to wrap your mind around because it's an addiction

continued pursuit in the face of increasing harms

but there's clearly something that's hitting the right spots in the brain

I think for some people it's the perception of control. Just ask Doctor Strange. Control is a powerful powerful drug that doctors are addicted to. What makes you feel that power and control that feels good to you varies. No one argues that surgery offers an almost unparalleled feeling of direct control over the condition of the patient. I prefer to control other variables, but there you have it.
 
Case in point right here. For those who love surgery, the pain of residency is worth it in the end - just like for those who love rounding, the pain of IM is worth it in the end. To each their own.

Thank god someone out there loves rounding. I would throw myself out the nearest window. 5 minutes in a room is too long for me.


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For those that love rounding? What ever are you talking about?

And isn't the OR a room? Don't even most ortho surgeries take longer than 5 min? 😛

I don't know that anyone loves rounding, per se. I guess I wonder what you mean. Going in the chart, reading up on your patients, going around seeing them, then a quick table rounds discussing the plan of the day and putting in orders, followed by finishing up notes? Sure, take out the table rounds and that's the life of IM in practice. I agree that bedside rounds in an academic center leads to a lot of standing circle-jerking I could do without.
 
For those that love rounding? What ever are you talking about?

And isn't the OR a room? Don't even most ortho surgeries take longer than 5 min? 😛

I don't know that anyone loves rounding, per se. I guess I wonder what you mean. Going in the chart, reading up on your patients, going around seeing them, then a quick table rounds discussing the plan of the day and putting in orders, followed by finishing up notes? Sure, take out the table rounds and that's the life of IM in practice. I agree that bedside rounds in an academic center leads to a lot of standing circle-jerking I could do without.

When I was on medicine we used to take like 6 hours to round. it was interminable and boring as hell. I can see 10 patients in 25 minutes in the morning if I’m quick. I don’t take longer than 5 minutes in a patient room on rounds unless I’m discussing a surgical consent.

And yes the OR is a room...where I don’t have to talk to them because they’re asleep. 😉


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For those that love rounding? What ever are you talking about?

And isn't the OR a room? Don't even most ortho surgeries take longer than 5 min? 😛

I don't know that anyone loves rounding, per se. I guess I wonder what you mean. Going in the chart, reading up on your patients, going around seeing them, then a quick table rounds discussing the plan of the day and putting in orders, followed by finishing up notes? Sure, take out the table rounds and that's the life of IM in practice. I agree that bedside rounds in an academic center leads to a lot of standing circle-jerking I could do without.

Haha yeah I guess I just used the term "rounding" to describe IM in it's entirety. That is the joke though (Eternal Medicine)....
 
One thing is for sure:

People who regret choosing medicine would be the types that are the most unhappy, when they foolishly pick surgery for the prestige. Picking a lifestyle specialty for the prestige is just a case of golden handcuffs. It isn't so bad because at least you have time to enjoy the money you can make in the end. The way surgery works is that it consumes the practitioner. It practically becomes their whole identity, outside of their immediate familial responsibilities. I have too many other interests and like sleep way too much to be a surgeon. If that makes me a "snowflake millennial" or not "tough enough," it's okay. I'd rather work a normal 60 to 70 hours. 80 during residency is fine. But these 100-120 hour weeks just sound like absolute hell. I get sleepy eyed driving home after my 30hr call during my rotation.

I also don't mind working hard, but I want fair compensation for it. The hours that surgeons put in and what they get for it was okay in the golden years a few decades ago. Now, it just seems not worth it. It truly has to be a calling. A lot of specialties don't have to be. But in surgery, if it isn't, it would drive many a individuals into depression.
 
I spoke to my PI who's an attending now and a colorectal surgeon on this matter, and he says that he would do 120 hr weeks easily and 36 hr call was the norm. When I stupidly asked him if he ever took a nap, he just looked at me with a straight face and said that you just power through it. And the 80 hrs/week restriction was in effect during his residency.

It is indisputable that surgery residents work the most out of all residents, but they also exaggerate their work hours and what they actually do. That said, there’s something known as the second wind. Simply put, their fight/flight is always on. You’ll find exceptions in people who make a point to go against it, but most cope by neglecting wellness/hobbies and their ego defense is pride in their work (hence the “I used to work 120 hours bull crap”). I was on call and by 30 hours in I realized how ineffective I was vs. just 12 hours ago so I wrapped up critical tasks and went home. Later I realized that it’s a good sign to have an awareness of when you’re not operating at full potential.
 
A little off topic but how do surgeons deal with the constant standing through the long shifts? Just tough through it? What if they have something such as plantar fasciitis or fallen arches?
 
Don't residents have to study as well? How do you fit in studying in a 80-100+ hour work week? Or is it lighter studying and more reading about the next case?

Not really. There’s boards which are usually low stakes unless you’re a general surgery resident gunning for plastics.
 
Not really. There’s boards which are usually low stakes unless you’re a general surgery resident gunning for plastics.

By boards you mean in-training exams. They are not low stakes. Especially if you’re perceived as a weaker resident. Low in-training exam scores are often cited as a reason for resident dismissal.
 
By boards you mean in-training exams. They are not low stakes. Especially if you’re perceived as a weaker resident. Low in-training exam scores are often cited as a reason for resident dismissal.

How often are residents dismissed?

I know the attrition rate is high but I always thought that was because of people quitting, not being fired for low test scores.
 
By boards you mean in-training exams. They are not low stakes. Especially if you’re perceived as a weaker resident. Low in-training exam scores are often cited as a reason for resident dismissal.

Isn’t that technically not allowed? (not that I disagree with the importance of scoring well on the ABSITE)
 
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