How do you decide if you will skip the DO match?

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Hello all,

I'm currently faced with the tough decision of proceeding with or skipping the AOA (DO) match, as it occurs prior to the ACGME (MD) match.

I am basically guaranteed a spot in the AOA match at decent program, but it is an extra year of training at a smaller hospital, as you would expect. I like it there, but I fear that I will just be settling.

I am currently rotating at my top choice, which is an MD program, and things are going very well. I will almost certainly get an interview here.

I've already received an interview invite to an MD and a DO program that I have not rotated at.

My COMLEX scores are exceptional, but my USMLE scores are below average (within a standard deviation of the mean in both cases.)

How do I decided to skip the DO match? I would much rather end up at the AOA program than scramble in the ACGME match.

Is there a "magic number" of interviews?

Thanks...
 
I had the same decision to make last year. Interviewed 4 DO and 11 MD, and received a 'ranked to match' email from the best of the DO programs I saw. I honestly would've have been very happy to have gone to that program, but like you, I wanted to be done in three years.

The magic number I looked at, and has been thrown around, is 10 interviews = match. However, that number was before last year's match, where there were only 6 spots left for the scramble, and there were plenty of well-qualified, but unhappy people post match day.

So there were two things I looked at when deciding whether to continue with the DO match. First, I picked the best DO program I interviewed at, and asked myself whether I'd be happy there. Put it another way, whether that DO spot would be in my top three choices if the match were combined. Obviously, if the DO spot was your top choice overall, the choice is clear.

Then I also tallied up the total number of MD interviews I had and since I had more than ten, I felt reasonably assured that I would match somewhere. Since I had more than 10, and the DO spot was really a #4 rather than the top or second spot, I decided to forgo the DO match and roll the dice.

Had I not had ten or more MD interviews, I would have ranked only one DO program and matched. And, if I didn't match there, I would not match at any other DO program, and I would still have the MD match to go through.

I matched at my #4, which, after all is said and done, now feels like a better fit for me than when I made my rank list. But that may be simply adjusting expectations to suit reality.

Honestly, when I found out how few spots were left over after the match, knowing what I know now, I think I would have gone with the safer, sure thing and gone DO. I was going a little nuts last year wondering whether I had screwed the pooch by passing up the 'golden handshake' before match day.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if you plan on applying to 2-4 or 1-4 MD programs, then it really isn't a four versus three year issue, it's a DO / MD issue.

Anyway, it's still early in the season, so when it gets closer to match time, you'll have a better idea what your chances are. Good luck.
 
Thanks for the input!
 
I think there are decent DO programs out there. OSU in Tulsa, CCOM in Chicago, Einstein in Phili, etc..

And personally, having been at a large academic center the past 15 months of EM residency, I think it would be nice to get to a place with less consultants and egos. Bread and butter EM will always be the stuff you need to learn, and you can arguably learn that in a 30K volume ED. We also rotate at a large private hospital in the area and I absolutely love the fact that I am the only resident in the institution for the most part when I am there. It spoils you, and makes you wish you didn't have to come back to the university setting.

Some of the staff at this private hospital are DO's, and most did DO residencies, and they loved them and are exceptional docs. I see no problem with an additional year in residency quite honestly. I am actually starting to think 4 years makes more sense considering what we need to know.

If you like the DO program you rotated at, then you are NOT settling. Don't believe the hype that DO programs are somehow inferior to MD programs across the board. Some days at my MD institution I wish we didn't have all these consultants, all this trauma, and all this red freaking tape.
 
It all depends on what you're looking for in terms of residency.

When I went through the match a couple years ago, I took my chances with the MD match, even though I only had interviews from a couple of the MD programs I applied to. I interviewed at DO programs that I really liked, and thought that I'd enjoy my time at, but felt I would be better served at the MD program (because it was closer to where my wife was doing residency, although, the DO programs were still in the same locality). I didn't get into either MD program, and had to scramble through the DO scramble. Fortunately, the DO program I liked the best still had internship slots open, and they were willing to convert an unused IM slot to an EM slot for me, so I ended up in the EM residency I believe I really belonged in.

I'm happier in my DO program (SJWS in Cleveland) than I would have been in one of the MD programs because my hospital is tighter knit and I'm on a first name basis with most of my consultants (including the CT surgeons and the Neurosurgeons)...nothing can replace that kind of personal level of attention because when your consultants get to know you like ours do, they trust you more and when the **** hits the fan, they'll be more likely to come help you or give you the advice you need instead of just being dinguses. My hospital is a trauma center, yet we don't have surgical residents, which allows us to get more hands on experience with traumas and procedures. I see between 18-20 patients a shift, with at least 1-2 of those in seriously critical condition, whether it's via trauma or medically critical (sepsis, etc). Plus, when I use the consultants, I tend to get a mini lecture on whatever case I call them on (we had a trauma yesterday where a guy fell off a bike and had 7 rib fx's, and a grade 4 splenic lac, and a ptx and the trauma surgeon talked to me about splenic lacs for 20 minutes over the patient while we were getting him prepped to go to surgery).

One other thing you should consider in your choice (besides your comfort level), especially in an osteopathic program, is what level of service does your hospital offer? In my area, there are about 5 DO EM programs, but not all offer a really great variety of services. One is too close to a couple level 1 trauma centers, and the good cases get siphoned to them. One has a volume of under 20K per year. 3 don't have cath labs, and 4 don't offer CABG or Neurosurg capabilities. My hospital, even though it's only 250 beds, sees 40k patients a year, has 40 Critical Care beds (20 CCU and ICU), has full CT surg and Neurosurg capabilities, and has a cath lab that does about 3k caths per year. You're better served by being at a hospital that offers the full range of services, so that if you do get that ruptured thoracic aneurysm (which I had a couple weeks ago), you can repair it there instead of having to be forced to ship out your patients because you can't handle the level of acuity. It really will allow you to have a big hospital experience with a smaller hospital feel. Nothing makes you feel more secure learning how to be an EM doc when you know your hospital can really handle what you're doing....it'll allow you to become more aggressive and treat your patients with more advanced techniques.

Allopathic programs are great and will really allow you to blossom, but if you can get into the right DO program, you'll have that same experience. In my program, the attendings really let you do your own thing, which is nice, but when you have that crashing patient, they'll be there to guide you. They let you get your comfort zone, so that you feel really comfortable taking care of that patient in septic shock or the guy who's bleeding out into his abdomen. I may only be only 2 years out from graduation, but in the past month, I've seen 4 types of shock (septic, hypovolemic, anaphylactic, and cardiogenic), seen a ruptured thoracic aneurysm, and have been allowed to manage my sickest patients with my own plan of action, which has really allowed me to grow rapidly into my skin as an EM physician. I really think I can handle most things that come my way now after a couple months in our system.

PM me if you have any more questions.
 
einstein is an osteopathic only program? can i apply there as an MD applicant?
 
I thought Einstein was dual

Dually accredited and dually affiliated with med schools (DO & MD). Link

BTW, I am allopathic, but from the outside this seems like a great question and should be a FAQ or sticky, dontcha think? 🙂
 
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