How do you not allow prejudice comments towards black docs to harden your heart?

[American Shero]

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[YoungGregory]

First: why are you on that site in the first place? Looks like something somebody from storm-front created.

Second: Is this a troll thread?

 

[kg062008]

Dude. There will always be ignorant racist whites around. Worrying about it will not do you any good. It will just make you suspicious of every white person you ever talk to or treat. Life goes on. Live your life, make your money, and never allow anyone to bring you down.

 

[WhizoMD]

Get a pair of these:

Prejudice is a fact of life no matter what field you go into. It should be diminished once you prove yourself and become embedded in your practice community, but you'll always have those one off cases.

As far as litigation goes, I'm not sure....it'd be interesting to see stats on that.

I have a few extended family members in high risk specialties (1 obgyn, 2 surgeons (cardiothoracic and ortho), as far as I know, their careers haven't been unduly influenced by excessive litigation.

 

[bigloley]

You're really going to post something from American Resistance and not expect it to be racist?

 

[JaneAustenFan]

Dude. There will always be ignorant racist whites around. Worrying about it will not do you any good. It will just make you suspicious of every white person you ever talk to or treat. Life goes on. Live your life, make your money, and never allow anyone to bring you down.

It's not the whites we have to worry about. There are plenty of self-hating blacks as well.

 

[jissho]

Simple. Don't acknowledge them in the first place. 🙂

 

[Medicinewoman85]

Don't worry about what other people say or think of you. Do what you have to do to get where you want to be in life.

Do racist people in general bother me at times? Yes! Will it stop me from becoming a doctor? Heck No!

 

[mTOR]

Negative stereotyping is just as pervasive IRL as it is online. And there's absolutely nothing you can do about these (largely unconscious and unintentional) biases aside from minimizing the extent to which you trigger them in others.

 

[MedPR]

There's prejudice against every race. Why do so many blacks seem to think they're the only ones?

How would you like to be asian and have a harder time getting into med school because you are expected to have a higher gpa and mcat than everyone else? Like other URMs, you get the benefit of the doubt, and are often given an opportunity when some non-minority is probably much more qualified than you.

As a URM (non AA) myself, I feel as though we are lucky that the "prejudice" actually helps us more than hurts us.

 

[RALMD]

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[RALMD]

There's prejudice against every race. Why do so many blacks seem to think they're the only ones?

How would you like to be asian and have a harder time getting into med school because you are expected to have a higher gpa and mcat than everyone else? Like other URMs, you get the benefit of the doubt, and are often given an opportunity when some non-minority is probably much more qualified than you.

As a URM (non AA) myself, I feel as though we are lucky that the "prejudice" actually helps us more than hurts us.

Smh. 👎

 

[MedPR]

Smh. 👎

Of course you are. Keep feeling sorry for yourself and using your race to get things you don't deserve and didn't earn.

 

[CiaraToinetta]

Just like this ignorant statement above, you ignore it and press on with your life. Life is too short and precious to worry about what someone thinks about you!

 

[PantherPride]

Like other URMs, you get the benefit of the doubt, and are often given an opportunity when some non-minority is probably much more qualified than you.

lol. It's a shame that this is how you see affirmative action, especially considering the fact that you are on the receiving end. If there was doubt that a student could be a good and capable doctor, a school wouldn't accept them.

 

[PantherPride]

Of course you are. Keep feeling sorry for yourself and using your race to get things you don't deserve and didn't earn.

😆Another pre-med telling others what about they don't deserve.

 

[MumDoc]

You are ridiculous, Affirmative action is there for a reason and I highly doubt being on the receiving end is so good of a thing. Remember it only gets you so far. You have to work your a** off in medical school in order to graduate, so please stop writing this crap, it is inaccurate. Also alot of Asians and Caucasians do get into medical school each year with lower stats. Do some research.

There's prejudice against every race. Why do so many blacks seem to think they're the only ones?

How would you like to be asian and have a harder time getting into med school because you are expected to have a higher gpa and mcat than everyone else? Like other URMs, you get the benefit of the doubt, and are often given an opportunity when some non-minority is probably much more qualified than you.

As a URM (non AA) myself, I feel as though we are lucky that the "prejudice" actually helps us more than hurts us.

 

[Medicinewoman85]

There's prejudice against every race. Why do so many blacks seem to think they're the only ones?

How would you like to be asian and have a harder time getting into med school because you are expected to have a higher gpa and mcat than everyone else? Like other URMs, you get the benefit of the doubt, and are often given an opportunity when some non-minority is probably much more qualified than you.

As a URM (non AA) myself, I feel as though we are lucky that the "prejudice" actually helps us more than hurts us.

👎

It is truly sad what comes out of people's mouths. Please be courteous and THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! You don't know everyone's situation, socio economic background, etc..that could lead to less than stellar grades. Everyone does not have the advantage of an education of quality and resources. Jeesh!

 

[Medicinewoman85]

Of course you are. Keep feeling sorry for yourself and using your race to get things you don't deserve and didn't earn.

😱 I don't feel sorry for our race, if anything I feel sorry for you.

 

[ainsley]

lol. It's a shame that this is how you see affirmative action, especially considering the fact that you are on the receiving end. If there was doubt that a student could be a good and capable doctor, a school wouldn't accept them.

hahahahaha.......so funny. the vast majority of affirmative action admits are dangerous to the general public.

 

[Shnurek]

Dude. There will always be ignorant racist whites around. Worrying about it will not do you any good. It will just make you suspicious of every white person you ever talk to or treat. Life goes on. Live your life, make your money, and never allow anyone to bring you down.

Racism will be around as long as you perpetuate it. Keep using the racist Affirmative Action program as a crutch and you will never be treated equally. Get in because of merit on an equal basis and you will be treated equally.

Definition of racism:

 

[bigloley]

Racism will be around as long as you perpetuate it. Keep using the racist Affirmative Action program as a crutch and you will never be treated equally. Get in because of merit on an equal basis and you will be treated equally.

....really? So if a patient calls a black doctor a racial slur it was because he got in through affirmative action? Sounds like you're trolling here buddy...

 

[FearlessHyena]

....really? So if a patient calls a black doctor a racial slur it was because he got in through affirmative action? Sounds like you're trolling here buddy...

Ignore Shrek; he's an angry optometrist who trolls every where. PS. Opthamologist's are superior to OD's....

Also, Shrek's graph ignores the fact that more ORM'S get accepted with low stats than URM's that matriculate. Finally, the overall acceptance for URM's is LOWER than whites/Asians. But analysis isn't his forte; that's why he's an OD and not an MD. Mid-levels trying to expand their scope, lmao.

 

[management]

Ignore Shrek; he's an angry optometrist who trolls every where. PS. Opthamologist's are superior to OD's....

Also, Shrek's graph ignores the fact that more ORM'S get accepted with low stats than URM's that matriculate. Finally, the overall acceptance for URM's is LOWER than whites/Asians. But analysis isn't his forte; that's why he's an OD and not an MD. Mid-levels trying to expand their scope, lmao.

Ether. Pure Ether.

Especially calling him 'Shrek'.....

Much love to the OD's though; we won't let one troll ruin the image of optometrists.

Oh, and I stated that same fact in another thread here but that guy was too blinded by his hate for AA to see that.

 

[oybello]

Of course you are. Keep feeling sorry for yourself and using your race to get things you don't deserve and didn't earn.

There are a some of things that idiots like these don't understand.
1. It is the unfortunate truth that blacks in america are for some reason not as interested in going into the sciences as other races and would rather do business or something else (especially black males). Maybe this goes beyond just interest, and other discouraging factors come to play, but bottom line is, there are significantly less black applicants than others. Medicine is probable one of the only fields that it is essential to maintain some level professional diversity in order to cater to the diverse population of the country. Because of this, medical schools are more likely to accept URMs of lower stats because they want to fill the gaps that is in place. There are many AA who get in with superior GPAs as well.
2. If you think that there is a genetic difference that makes Asians smarter than blacks, you are a bigger idiot than I thought. it's more competitive for you to get in because there is simply more of you interested in applying, and when you make up 4% of the population, it makes no sense for you to compose more than 8% of the work force. If you do not like this, then maybe Asians need to open medical schools that are directed towards addressing this surge. Now, let's compare another group of people who are just as interested in going to medical school. No, they are not asian.... Can you guess??? They are black and they are Nigerian. Now, you do some research and tell me if Nigerian Americans get in with low grades. Nigerian American often, yes OFTEN have extremely high GPAs and MCATs. There are no stats out there, but I'm pretty sure the average Nigerian American matriculates have as high or higher GPAs and MCATs as do you Asians. Point is, lay of the I'm Asian and so I am smarter than blacks coolaid. It is not a racial problem, but merely a cultural difference and a game of numbers. If today, Asians decide to pick up a new hobby and all go into something else, your stats would drop as well. Calm down

 

[dotcomdotbiz]

There are a some of things that idiots like these don't understand.
1. It is the unfortunate truth that blacks in america are for some reason not as interested in going into the sciences as other races and would rather do business or something else (especially black males). Maybe this goes beyond just interest, and other discouraging factors come to play, but bottom line is, there are less significantly black applicants than others. Medicine is probable one of the only fields that it is essential to maintain some level professional diversity in order to cater to the diverse population of the country. Because of this, medical schools are more likely to accept URMs of lower stats because they want to fill the gaps that is in place. There are many AA who get in with superior GPAs as well.
2. If you think that there is a genetic difference that makes Asians smarter than blacks, you are a bigger idiot than I thought. it's more competitive for you to get in because there is simply more of you interested in applying, and when you make up 4% of the population, it makes no sense for you to compose more than 8% of the work force. If you do not like this, then maybe Asians need to open medical schools that are directed towards addressing this surge. Now, let's compare another group of people who are just as interested in going to medical school. No, they are not asian.... Can you guess??? They are black and they are Nigerian. Now, you do some research and tell me if Nigerian Americans get in with low grades. Nigerian American often, yes OFTEN have extremely high GPAs and MCATs. There are no stats out there, but I'm pretty sure the average Nigerian American matriculates have as high or higher GPAs and MCATs as do you Asians. Point is, lay of the I'm Asian and so I am smarter than blacks coolaid. It is not a racial problem, but merely a cultural difference and a game of numbers. If today, Asians decide to pick up a new hobby and all go into something else, your stats would drop as well. Calm down

This is how your post made me feel. For the win.

 

[oybello]

This is how your post made me feel. For the win.

🙂

 

[oybello]

Your arguement doesn't really answer the real questions invoked by the data:

While the data does confirm that some Asian and Caucasians applicants get in with lower scores, when viewing the data as a whole, the probability of getting in with a lower GPA/MCAT is much higher for a URM than an ORM. Your arguement is to look at the total number accepted which is still low; this represents a poor way to assess the data. The best way to look at the data (at least from my perspective) is to look at apples to apples as best possible while accepting that the data presented fails to account for subjective factors. When we do this the data consistently shows year after year that AA/URM is playing a role in medical admissions as the proability of an ORM getting in with a certain GPA/MCAT is lower to a URM. The problem with this is that we don't consistently apply this across all professions. I don't see society trying to limit the number of professional athletes by race to increase the proportion of certain underreperesented minorities. Same can be said for high finance, police/firefighters/etc. Since medical school represents the gateway to the profession of medicine, I ask why the policy is appropriate in one profession but not another.

The other issue is of equity. AA/URM status was designed as a way to increase enrollment of the selected groups in response to the injustices of the past that limited these groups opportunities. However, in doing so, the probabily of applicants from other groups can be reduced (depending on their stats). Take for example an Asian applicant; if their family immigrated 30 years ago, they likely had no role in discrimination that caused the disparities and the applicant likely had limited role in the institutional bias that still perpetuates our society. So why is the Asian applicant being punished which they are through the URM system....we dont punish the children of criminals with additional punishment but that is tantamount to what is happening here. When African Americans were given different criteria to become eligible voters this was considered one of the greatest social injustices our society has perpetuated; AA/URM status represents a similar injustice in my mind as it creates different objective standards based on race. Certainly not all applicants that fall into the URM group would need the benefits of the policy and would get in independently of it but based on the numbers presented, there is at least a subset that do.

Yes it is playing a role. Factor 1. There is affirmative action in place that places some advantage to being black and applying to med school. I definitely don't dispute that. Factor 2, supply and demand. More asians applying to med school means there is more of them to reject, plain and simple. 14 % of the country is black compared to 4% asian, yet black doctors make up only 3% of the workforce, compared to 12% for asians. I know it is not the asians fault this is happening, but it is a problem. There NEEDS to be more black doctors. if not for social stability, but for medical reasons as well. There are tons of diseases that effect blacks more. e.g sickle cell, diabetes, obesity to name a few. We need more black docs to bring more awereness to these issues.

I dont argue any of the things you say, but i think people are very foolish when they make statements like. "You didnt deserve to get in" or "you only got in cause you are black."

Who am I
1. Yes I am black
2. Yes I am starting Med school this year and I got into a number of schools
3. No, My GPA is not lower than the average of any of the schools i got accepted in
4. No, My MCAT is not lower than the schools averages either
5. Yes, I got rejected from every school that I applied to in which my grades were lower than average, so I definitely did not get this special treatment, lol
6. No, I do not feel like i got in because I am black
7. I think anybody who sees a black med student or doctor and thinks they are unworthy needs to grow up

 

[oybello]

Grow up a little a bit. Any arguement I have made against AA/URM status is not an attack against you and your credentials; however, I cant speak for other posters. You stated "There are tons of diseases that effect blacks more. e.g sickle cell, diabetes, obesity to name a few. We need more black docs to bring more awereness to these issues." Many of these issues impact all races and all physicians should be advocates for them. It does not take an African American doctor to treat an African American patients for sickle cell, diabetes, etc just like it doesn't take a Caucasian doctor to take care of a Caucasian patient. Equality is a two way street.

You don't think its right that Asians make up 4% of the population but 12% of the physicians in this country while African Americans make up 14% of the population and only 3% are physicians. You know what the equitable solution is you just don't want to say it because it requires time and effort; it is simply to not change standards for a race beause they are underrepresented. You state "More asians applying to med school means there is more of them to reject, plain and simple. " This is why I say we need to move beyond absolute numbers and look at an apples to apples comparison (see above). When we do this we still see the same results for ORM v. URM so it is not about how many applicants there are.

Wagy, we shall have to agree to disagree. I never said you were attacking me personally, I thought you should know that I wasn't defending the system because I was a beneficiary. Nobody said Asian or white docs can't treat blacks with "black" diseases. My simple point is, with proper representation, everyone can have someone to relate to. I work as a tech now and I can't tell you how many times people have told me "hey, I hope this doesn't offend you, but I am really glad to see a black guy treating me." These people aren't racist, but it's important to them that they see people who look like them, as petty as that may sound. I agree with you, there are other ways to solve this problem but keep in mind though that with all the time that has elapsed (over 100 years), we have actually regressed, and so, what are you to do? What resources do you have to fix all the major issues that begin at the fundamental and elementary level. Yes, if a black man makes it through college and applies to med school, he has an advantage, but what do you think his journey to that point might have been like? Why is the high school dropout rate so high for URMS and do we even have a plan to fix this? ORM's don't have to deal with the same issues AA deal with. I have been told constantly that im not good enough, even though I've never been a bad student. We all need to change the way we think about each other. Black people need to stop feeling like victims and others need to see the potential in us, the same way they do others and encourage big dreams, but most importantly, we need to improve our self-image and see the potential in ourselves. It's just difficult because there are a lot of factors set up against URMs prior to med school and life in general. I don't expect you to understand this . Things are not as black and white as you think, but We all need to grow as one community.

 

[oybello]

When you make out an itemized list entitled "Who am I and list off 1. Yes I am black
2. Yes I am starting Med school this year and I got into a number of schools
3. No, My GPA is not lower than the average of any of the schools i got accepted in
4. No, My MCAT is not lower than the schools averages either
5. Yes, I got rejected from every school that I applied to in which my grades were lower than average, so I definitely did not get this special treatment, lol
6. No, I do not feel like i got in because I am black
7. I think anybody who sees a black med student or doctor and thinks they are unworthy needs to grow up " that comes off as a hostile and defensive.

You stated "My simple point is, with proper representation, everyone can have someone to relate to." The problem is that we dont apply this rationale consistently across all professions. We dont mandate that we have a certain number of politicians, police/firefighters, etc. of each race despite the benefits it would provide for people to see someone they can relate to in those positions. Same goes for professional athletes. Whats good for the goose should be good for the gander and as it is currently set up AA/URM status changes that for a very limited focus.

As for a solution there are no easy fixes. the first thing is to put the impetus on parents as at the end of the day a childs success is in large part predicated on their parents. It is a parents responsbility to only bring a child into this world if they can take care of them and provide not only food and shelter but guidance. It means parents sacrificing there own well being; I have several friends and colleagues who were initially raised in Detroit. Their parents gave up their homes and comfort of friends and family close by to live in a 400 sq foot apt and took 2 or 3 buses to get downtown for work so their children could get the right education. That is being a parent.

Instead what we have created is a system that acknowledges past transgressions by society, and attempts to "level the playing field" by saying that because of the socioeconomic disparities created from such injustices several generations ago, that society is expected to provide a different standard for admission to higher education regardless of whether this is punitive to those who had no involvement in the transgressions. The problem with this is 1) it penalizes those who had little to nothing to do with creating the situation, 2) there is no structured end point to the program and at some point the impetus needs to put on the communities and individual families rather than expecting the government to tilt the playing field.

BTW, id does happen in sports, since you frequently mention this. I dont think you would agree that Jeremy Lin is as good as all the hype that he is getting. He only became super popular in part because he is asian. I do believe we need more diversity in sports. and finally, i dont think there is a disparity in the other professions you mentioned. just in the sciences

 

[oybello]

Jeremy Lin while garnering more hype was not given a different set of criteria to enter the league,explaining the multiple cut teams, etc. Teams evaluated him independently of him being Asian when he was coming into the league and based on what I have read, he was not given a distinct advantage in entering the league. This is the exact opposite of how AA/URM is working. You don't think there is disparity in other professions? You need to spend some time in the real world then because in many communities the percentage of Asian firefighters/police officers/government officials is below the Asian population in the community. I dont think African American football players or baseball players would take kindly to having a different standard for entering the NFL or MLB compared to white/asian players who are underrepresented.

Im sure the disparity is due to the fact that all the asians want to become doctors and none are interested in being a police officer. ok, im done with this conversation. Thanks for the banter

 

[management]

Jeremy Lin while garnering more hype was not given a different set of criteria to enter the league,explaining the multiple cut teams, etc. Teams evaluated him independently of him being Asian when he was coming into the league and based on what I have read, he was not given a distinct advantage in entering the league. This is the exact opposite of how AA/URM is working. You don't think there is disparity in other professions? You need to spend some time in the real world then because in many communities the percentage of Asian firefighters/police officers/government officials is below the Asian population in the community. I dont think African American football players or baseball players would take kindly to having a different standard for entering the NFL or MLB compared to white/asian players who are underrepresented.

Man I laughed at that quote. I have yet to see that, and I've been in the 'real world' for a while. Come on man.....

Now I've addressed the 'sports vs medicine' argument in another thread and squashed that talk. Here's the issue with sports: players are groomed from children to adults. They have mostly the same opportunities (until you get to collegiate level, but that's another issue), and are able to prove themselves continuously. For medicine, it's not the same. Many white folks have better educational opportunities than black kids from the start. I realized this a little while growing up in a small city, but in a metropolitan areas, it can be downright ridiculous. These opportunities include test taking programs, TRUE college prep programs, better networking, and others. It's not as if black kids don't work as hard to get into med school, but they haven't had the necessary grooming given to them as compared to their white counterparts. Now this is true for the MOST part, not every case. There is really no strong comparison between sports and education man.

But here's something I want you to think about: why is it that most of the running backs are black, but the majority of the quarterbacks are white? Hmm? I've witnessed first hand a group of black quarterbacks who could outrun, out throw, and out-manuever this one white quarterback we had, but for some reason, he got the position....but then again, this is ONE spot on the team, not the entire team per se. Think about that for a minute.

The sad thing is that he had the same opportunities as the other quarterbacks, unlike most black and white kids in the education system.

Maybe the reason for AA is so deep that many people don't want to admit to the effed up system that we live in....or maybe it's because they truly haven't lived and worked in the real world to see it.

Excuse any typos, I'm trying to type quickly at my job, in the real world lol....

 

[bongyonghorangi]

Really you've never seen that. Based on my experience in living in a few states, Asians as police officers, fire fighters, government officials is extremely low at less than 3% and in some cases less than 1%. Quick search found this article (obviously not a definitive reference but something documenting similar findings).

http://www.voanews.com/content/us-p...ruiting-asian-americans-141905613/180743.html

As for your sports assessment, I disagree with you. Professional sports and medicine are comparable in that they are well paying professions that have public exposure and where role models are often gleaned from. One of the arguements for AA/URM made is that young URMs need more role models that they can relate to in order to motivate them to succeed and that AA/URM status allows for that. The same arguement can be made for sports; more Asian children might pursue athletics if role models they could relate to were available, I dont see the NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB forcing teams to sign a certain percentage of Asians any time soon though. Same goes for other professions as well. You can sit and argue that professions where URMs are overrepresented are okay because they are groomed for them and professions where URMs are underrepresented should get AA but then where is the equity?

You state "Many white folks have better educational opportunities than black kids from the start." While this may be true some responsibility has to fall on the parents to put their children in the right environment whether that be a charter school or moving as I discussed in a previous post.I have had several friends/colleagues whose families moved to miserable conditions in order to put their children in the right academic mindset. If parents aren't willing to sacrifice or unable to sacrifice for their children, the question arises as to whether they should be having children. As for the grooming, I dont think that it is about white vs. black as you suggest but more about means. We live in a capitalistic society and those with means are able to give their children prep courses, etc. There is nothing wrong with that. Using AA/URM doesn't equitably balance that out anyway because their are many Asians/Caucasians who didnt have access to such programs that are negatively impacted by using race.

We've discussed these issues before and you have commented on your real world experience. But have you gone to medical school or completed a residency? Care to provide specifics?

I agree 100% with your post. It just is not fair for disadvantaged whites and asians. Yes it is not fair to those black children whos parents where more interested in living off welfare than bettering their child's education, but that is NOT the fault of another whole race of people. Once you are an adult, it is your duty to properly educate yourself if you want to become a physician. I know many asians who are not born asian american (such as my husband) and who are not born to a rich/prosperous family. My husband works his ass off and we technicly live under the federal poverty line, but both of us are in community college taking classes when it works with our work schedule and parenting duties. It is much more difficult for my husband than it is for africans who are born here because english is not his first language.

 

[management]

I agree 100% with your post. It just is not fair for disadvantaged whites and asians. Yes it is not fair to those black children whos parents where more interested in living off welfare than bettering their child's education, but that is NOT the fault of another whole race of people. Once you are an adult, it is your duty to properly educate yourself if you want to become a physician. I know many asians who are not born asian american (such as my husband) and who are not born to a rich/prosperous family. My husband works his ass off and we technicly live under the federal poverty line, but both of us are in community college taking classes when it works with our work schedule and parenting duties. It is much more difficult for my husband than it is for africans who are born here because english is not his first language.

There are white, asian, hispanic, all races of families who are quite comfy living off welfare, so let's chill with that type of comment lady.

I actually respectfully disagree with both of you, but Wagy, playa, I actually will be going to medical school this fall as an older student, but I don't know what completing a residency has to do with my observation of med school admissions, race issues, and the comparison. Maybe seeing so much more of what goes on in the real world than most typical medical students gives me some type of wisdom in this eh. Or maybe you were sideways dissing me. Still, if you want to gather some real world experience from me, pm me bruh.

If going back and forth about affirmative action, which helps but a scarce amount of black folks, is very important to any of you all, then there are threads to discuss that. Several ones lol. Those folks will go back and forth with both of you.

Let's get back to the topic of the thread.

 

[Wishing4MD]

I'm not black. I'm a hispanic female that looks like I'm from Kentucky. white, blonde hair and I just wanted to say that I think it is RIDICULOUS the prejudice we still see in America towards black Doctors.I do not think the color of ones skin has anything to do with their ability to be an excellent physician. I would feel equally comfortable getting operated on by a white doctor and black doctor. I shadowed a black african american doctor who is an extremely intelligent and kind woman. This lady is legit. She didn't go to any IV league school, but she still became an amazing physician. She performs surgery on women with breast cancer and removes the tumor. She is exceptional. I also shadowed an african american male anesthesiologist who was also bada**. Though I can imagine its difficult to deal with the prejudices, try not to let it get to you. The color of your skin has ZERO to do with your ability. It's your hard work that matters. Don't listen to the haters. Stay positive and keep working hard towards your goal. When I shadowed these doctors, they were extremely respected. So the higher up you get, the less these things will matter. It's only the small minded ignorant people that judge. Good luck to us all!

 

[HM3]

As for your sports assessment, I disagree with you. Professional sports and medicine are comparable in that they are well paying professions that have public exposure and where role models are often gleaned from. One of the arguements for AA/URM made is that young URMs need more role models that they can relate to in order to motivate them to succeed and that AA/URM status allows for that. The same arguement can be made for sports; more Asian children might pursue athletics if role models they could relate to were available, I dont see the NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB forcing teams to sign a certain percentage of Asians any time soon though.

You're comparing apples and oranges. This is a complete oversimplification of the racial issue and makes you seem very bitter and ignorant.

 

[Cozell]

We had around 1100 AA Male's apply to medical school in 2011 and less than half of them matriculated, I just dont see how people can get so stirred up over 500 seats going to AA.

Remeber over 32,000 people applied. But its beating a dead horse trying to get people like shrek to understand the struggles your average AA male goes through just getting to and through Ugrad.

 

[HM3]

Cozell, you need to include the number of female AA applying as well for your argument to be valid.

 

[Cozell]

Cozell, you need to include the number of female AA applying as well for your argument to be valid.

If you will notice my arguement was "I just dont see how people can get so stirred up over 500 seats going to AA". The fact that I identified with the even fewer minority of AA males does not take away the validity due to the fact that I quoted the matriculant numbers of that criteria.

However including women we have around 1,500 matriculants and 3,200 applicants, thats around 2,100 AA women that apply a year. The fact is we are under represented in Health Care, AA males especially and it may not matter to you but it does matter to our advancement as a nation however small that advancement might be considered to some.

 

[HM3]

If you will notice my arguement was "I just dont see how people can get so stirred up over 500 seats going to AA". The fact that I identified with the even fewer minority of AA males does not take away the validity due to the fact that I quoted the matriculant numbers of that criteria.

However including women we have around 1,500 matriculants and 3,200 applicants, thats around 2,100 AA women that apply a year. The fact is we are under represented in Health Care, AA males especially and it may not matter to you but it does matter to our advancement as a nation however small that advancement might be considered to some.

To your first point, you said 500 seats and then used 32000 as number of applicants..comparing the two (i think your numbers are off btw).

If there are 3200 AA applicants out of 32000 total, that's 10% and is the % of AA in the population.