How do you obtain a D.O?

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After UG, if you want to become a doctor of osteopathic medicine (a D.O for short I think) do you apply to medical school or are there special schools for D.O's? What is the best? Are there a lot? Thanks in advance.

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becoming a DO is pretty much the same as becoming an MD. There are schools that only train professionals to be DOs, just as there are schools that only award MD degrees. As far as I know, you can't go to just any medical school and then choose to become one or the other, you have to go to a school specifically for that.

Similary, on the dental side, there are two degrees, DDS and DMD. They are identical, unlike MD and DO, but you can't go to a school that gives DDS degrees and ask to be given a DMD, or vice versa.
 
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becoming a DO is pretty much the same as becoming an MD. There are schools that only train professionals to be DOs, just as there are schools that only award MD degrees. As far as I know, you can't go to just any medical school and then choose to become one or the other, you have to go to a school specifically for that.

Similary, on the dental side, there are two degrees, DDS and DMD. They are identical, unlike MD and DO, but you can't go to a school that gives DDS degrees and ask to be given a DMD, or vice versa.

That is essentially correct. There are two degrees in the United States that allow someone to practice the full scope of medicine, as a physician, an MD and a DO. The two degrees are professional and legal equivalents, and physicians who have either degree practice to the exact same standard of care when treating patients. The main difference is that DO's must learn OMT during medical school, which is something you'll want to investigate and learn more about if you are considering attending a osteopathic medical school. The two types of physicians work side-by-side and often train in the same residencies/fellowships, since a majority of DO's now opt to match into an ACGME residency, instead of their native AOA residence, for a variety of reasons.

As lemoncurry said, to become a DO, you must attend an osteopathic medical school. MD's attend allopathic medical schools. In general, the two types of medical school are separate entities, accredited and governed by different organizations (AOA/COCA for osteopathic medical schools and AMA/LCME for allopathic medical schools), but MSU actually has both programs. There are many more allopathic medical schools in the US than osteopathic ones, just as there are many more MD than DO physicians. The general pre-requisites for application to both types of schools are essentially identical. You can proceed with the usual premed stuff, whether you are applying to MD or DO medical schools, but if you think you might be interested in becoming an osteopathic physician, it would be a good idea to learn a little about the history of the tradition and shadow a practicing DO; getting a letter of recommendation from a DO would be a good idea, since some osteopathic medical school require it and many prefer it. When it gets close to the time you want to apply, whether MD or DO, you'll want to check specific requirements by school, since schools may have variant or individual requirements for application.

For the most part, the curriculum for all four years of medical school is nearly identical between osteopathic and allopathic medical schools, with minor variances and differences in emphasis, some more related to the mission of an individual school than by degree. You won't be able to much tell the difference. I am an osteopathic medical student, currently in my second year, and we do pretty much the exact same things as our allopathic neighbors. However, as I mentioned earlier, one of the notable differences is that you'll have to learn OMT and it is integrated into the curriculum during the first two years of medical school (and in some cases during your rotations, too). Another major difference is that DO's are required to take the COMLEX series of board exams to become licensed. It is similar to the USMLE, but may have differences in question style, curricular emphasis, and, of course, the addition of osteopathic principles and practices. Osteopathic medical students have their own residencies (AOA), but can also match into allopathic (ACGME), or dually-accredited (AOA/ACGME) ones, if they choose. If you are attending an osteopathic medical school, but know you want to apply to an ACGME residency, it is a good idea to take the USMLE Step I, in addition to COMLEX, so that program directors can compare apples to apples, although most ACGME residences do accept the COMLEX.

Check out the AACOM, for more information on the osteopathic medical schools, a bit about the osteopathic tradition, and how to make application:

http://www.aacom.org/InfoFor/applicants/Pages/default.aspx

Good luck!
 
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What is considered to be the "Harvard" of the Osteopathic Med schools? Just curious.

http://www.aacom.org/people/colleges/Pages/default.aspx

I am also assuming these are all the U.S. osteo schools in the country?

There are no rankings for DO schools, some programs are more established than others and plenty of people argue about which schools are tops based on various criteria.

I nearly attended UMDNJ-SOM and would have been very happy. Other schools high my list were CCOM and DMU-COM
I didn't apply to T-COM, OU-COM, MSU-COM or PCOM these are all great programs as well. The first three b/c I didn't have the state residency to make me competitive and the last b/c I didn't have a DO letter of recommendation.

It all comes down to what you are looking for in a program.


Edit: and yes, that list has all the schools.
 
There are no rankings for DO schools, some programs are more established than others and plenty of people argue about which schools are tops based on various criteria.

I nearly attended UMDNJ-SOM and would have been very happy. Other schools high my list were CCOM and DMU-COM
I didn't apply to T-COM, OU-COM, MSU-COM or PCOM these are all great programs as well. The first three b/c I didn't have the state residency to make me competitive and the last b/c I didn't have a DO letter of recommendation.

It all comes down to what you are looking for in a program.


Edit: and yes, that list has all the schools.

I should also note that I didn't apply to other DO schools for reasons that may not apply to you.

Example: I didn't apply to K-COM (the very first DO school) b/c I didn't want to live in Kirksville, MO (a bit too rural for me). I didn't want the AZ heat so I didn't even consider AZ COM, and as I said above, lots of schools required a DO letter of recommendation which I didn't have. So look at all the schools and see what might fit you best.
 
I should also note that I didn't apply to other DO schools for reasons that may not apply to you.

Example: I didn't apply to K-COM (the very first DO school) b/c I didn't want to live in Kirksville, MO (a bit too rural for me). I didn't want the AZ heat so I didn't even consider AZ COM, and as I said above, lots of schools required a DO letter of recommendation which I didn't have. So look at all the schools and see what might fit you best.

So you are going for an MD?
 
Nice 😎. I have another question. When you want to get into a competitive residency program, would you be at a disadvantage?
 
Nice 😎. I have another question. When you want to get into a competitive residency program, would you be at a disadvantage?

It's never that simple.

A DO student that gets a 260 (that's very good) on the USMLE and nails their 3rd year rotations will probably get priority over an average MD student. If we're talking nigh but identical applicants, I would guess that the MD student would probably have the advantage although I I have absolutely no basis for that statement.

Part of the problem is that DO students have to take their own licensing exams (the COMLEX), which they do before the USMLE. These have a different emphasis so if a DO student chooses to take the USMLE (it's optional, only needed if DO students opt to apply for MD residencies) then they need to study for a second exam which would not only drain them, but the differing material would likely pull down their score. DO students traditionally do well on the COMLEX, but do less well on the USMLE making them less competitive for MD residencies.*

*I haven't seen data to back this up, just something I've heard repeated on SDN through the years.
 
If you're considering DO and you have several scholarships to help defray school costs, my undergrad has a dual BS/DO program. You apply by the end of your freshman year in college and must maintain a 3.5 and get 8's on all sections of the MCAT. If you do this, you get an automatic interview (and almost always an acceptance). Our program is relatively unknown, HOWEVER it is affiliated with PCOM. Its a 3+4 program. If you want more information, you can PM me.
 
Goto an osteopathic medical school if you want to become a D.O. I applied broadly and ended up going to a D.O. school following in my best friend's footsteps.

As for a Harvard of D.O. schools, I wouldn't go about thinking that way. Your choice of residency will come down to your performance during your years of medical school and your scores on the COMLEX and USMLE will standardize you across the board.

But yes, thus far it's exactly the same as being an MD except I know how to do some neat manipulation techniques for musculoskeletal complaints.
 
It's never that simple.

A DO student that gets a 260 (that's very good) on the USMLE and nails their 3rd year rotations will probably get priority over an average MD student. If we're talking nigh but identical applicants, I would guess that the MD student would probably have the advantage although I I have absolutely no basis for that statement.

I'm not sure I agree with the first sentence, but certainly do with the second. While DOs have made great strides, if we are talking about competitive allopathic residencies (like derm, optho, rads, rad onc, plastics, ortho), then coming from a US MD school is still the most advantageous path, statistically. Some of these fields have longstanding old-boy networks that make it very hard for DOs to break in, others simply never look past the 120 allo med schools they historically have drawn residents from, and I'm sure a few have actual biases (bear in mind that not all that long ago DO was a totally separate system where DOs never went into allopathic residencies, and the osteos used to focus more on their "different philosophy" than they do today. So some of the older generation has a very different view of DO then perhaps the folks today who have worked side by side with them). From my personal observation, if you walk into the typical competitive specialty department meeting in an allo teaching hospital and count all the folks with DO on their white coat, you likely won't get past 1, at most. This may change over time, but this is what I see today. You often see the exact opposite trend if you go to a department meeting in peds or OB.

I note that when I was applying to med schools, the med school guide published by The Princeton Review had a paragraph where it advised folks who were considering DO to be aware that DO was not a good path for getting into competitive residencies. I don't know if subsequent editions have retracted that, but I think it's something to keep in mind.

But you don't know what field you are going to like until years from now. It's sort of silly to focus on the med school that will get you into optho when you don't even know if you'd want optho at this stage. At this point, your goal is to just keep options open. So you go to the best place you can get in that will keep your options open. If your grades and credentials allow you to get one school vs the other, then you weigh those options when you get there. If you end up going to a DO school, you can certainly shoot for the stars, but it's not really an accident that those schools crank out so many primary care physicians each year. Good doctors, in allopathic residencies, but not so many in the competitive things.
 
Goto an osteopathic medical school if you want to become a D.O. I applied broadly and ended up going to a D.O. school following in my best friend's footsteps.

As for a Harvard of D.O. schools, I wouldn't go about thinking that way. Your choice of residency will come down to your performance during your years of medical school and your scores on the COMLEX and USMLE will standardize you across the board.

But yes, thus far it's exactly the same as being an MD except I know how to do some neat manipulation techniques for musculoskeletal complaints.

Can you share your stats?
 
After UG, if you want to become a doctor of osteopathic medicine (a D.O for short I think) do you apply to medical school or are there special schools for D.O's? What is the best? Are there a lot? Thanks in advance.

You must go to a special school. It's just like the DDS/DMD degree. They are very very similar, it's just different schools issue different degrees. There are also different board exams. They are typically less competitive than MD schools, so some applicants with grades not as high may apply there. There are many less DO schools, but they do exist, and new ones are constantly opening up.

If y0u want more information, check out aacom.org
 
You must go to a special school. It's just like the DDS/DMD degree. They are very very similar, it's just different schools issue different degrees. There are also different board exams. They are typically less competitive than MD schools, so some applicants with grades not as high may apply there. There are many less DO schools, but they do exist, and new ones are constantly opening up.

If y0u want more information, check out aacom.org

You are responding to posts from 2008. However you should be aware that DO is getting merged back into the fold and might not even be a separate thing by the time a high schooler will be applying.
 
You are responding to posts from 2008. However you should be aware that DO is getting merged back into the fold and might not even be a separate thing by the time a high schooler will be applying.

Yeah true. I don't really understand why DO's and MD's are seperate degrees, when they have pretty much the same power.
 
Yeah true. I don't really understand why DO's and MD's are seperate degrees, when they have pretty much the same power.

If you know the history you understand. Osteopathy was a schism from allopathy. Had their own philosophy. For many years had limited practice aspects -- worked in their own hospitals, couldn't prescribe drugs. It's only relatively recently that they have had "pretty much the same power". Currently their ability to get into certain competitive fields is still lagging. As allopathic schools began increasing enrollment since 2005, the AOA saw the writing on the wall and recently capitulated. They are being assimilated back into the fold. The DO degree will ultimately be of historical interest.
 
If you know the history you understand. Osteopathy was a schism from allopathy. Had their own philosophy. For many years had limited practice aspects -- worked in their own hospitals, couldn't prescribe drugs. It's only relatively recently that they have had "pretty much the same power". Currently their ability to get into certain competitive fields is still lagging. As allopathic schools began increasing enrollment since 2005, the AOA saw the writing on the wall and recently capitulated. They are being assimilated back into the fold. The DO degree will ultimately be of historical interest.
I see.
Thanks.
 
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