How hard is MD/MPH?

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How much more difficult is an MD/MPH program to get into/to accomplish?

I have declared a public health minor in my undergrad, so this is kind of interesting to me.
 
How much more difficult is an MD/MPH program to get into/to accomplish?

I have declared a public health minor in my undergrad, so this is kind of interesting to me.

I dont think it is difficult to get into at all...once your in MD I think it is really easy to get the MPH just takes an extra year
 
Most medical schools will let you take a year + off to pursue the MPH, so really the limiting factor is getting into medical school, not getting into the MPH program. I have an MPH and i have a classmate who is applying to programs in the states and abroad. I think most MPH programs really like the idea of accepting medical students, residents, fellows etc who want to couple medicine and public health. :luck:
 
I agree, getting into the program (MPH) is generally not difficult once your are in med school. However, for most schools it is a 5 year program and therefore takes longer and is more coursework. I too am very interested in pursuing this degree.
I know Northwestern does it in 4 years. You actually work on some MPH coursework while you are doing MD coursework. I don't know how common that is. They said it isn't too bad. Of course, they (admin) had never done it though.
 
I can see working on a thesis and attending medical school, but i can't really see taking mph classes and medical school courses simultaneously unless the MPH classes are deliberately scheduled in the night or something. I dunno, for schools with traditional curriculums or 8-5 schedules this seems like a rough schedule. Honestly, I think the best thing is just to get an MPH before or after medical school as I think it allows one more time to be immersed in the discipline. In fact, I think some residencies or fellowships may pay for the MPH. Just something to think about.
 
Make sure you apply before you START med school!

So, I began med school in August with interests in public health as well... little did I know that MD/MPH program applications are usually due the summer before first year. This is for the reason that the MD/MPH program is used as a bargaining tool to get certain students to go to that school apparently... not really clear what that means, but oh well, that's how it is.

BUT, all is not lost. If you've started your MD, you can usually still apply for the MPH programs while in your first semester. That's what I did, but you end up starting your MPH coursework a semester late, which kinda sucks.

In terms of difficulty, I don't anticipate my MPH classes to be hard. My MPH advisor told me the other day that "as long as you get a B average, you'll be fine," adding, "I know it's hard for a lot of med students to understand this, but you really don't have to go crazy with your MPH classes." He says that your MPH should never hinder your work in med school, since you only get one chance for that.

I hope that helps..
 
Make sure you apply before you START med school!

So, I began med school in August with interests in public health as well... little did I know that MD/MPH program applications are usually due the summer before first year. This is for the reason that the MD/MPH program is used as a bargaining tool to get certain students to go to that school apparently... not really clear what that means, but oh well, that's how it is.

BUT, all is not lost. If you've started your MD, you can usually still apply for the MPH programs while in your first semester. That's what I did, but you end up starting your MPH coursework a semester late, which kinda sucks.

In terms of difficulty, I don't anticipate my MPH classes to be hard. My MPH advisor told me the other day that "as long as you get a B average, you'll be fine," adding, "I know it's hard for a lot of med students to understand this, but you really don't have to go crazy with your MPH classes." He says that your MPH should never hinder your work in med school, since you only get one chance for that.

I hope that helps../
 
i'm working on it ay NYMC, here its integrated with MD so its still 4 years, we'll see how semester 2 with 2 MPH classes on top of med classes goes
 
Make sure you apply before you START med school!

So, I began med school in August with interests in public health as well... little did I know that MD/MPH program applications are usually due the summer before first year. This is for the reason that the MD/MPH program is used as a bargaining tool to get certain students to go to that school apparently... not really clear what that means, but oh well, that's how it is.

BUT, all is not lost. If you've started your MD, you can usually still apply for the MPH programs while in your first semester. That's what I did, but you end up starting your MPH coursework a semester late, which kinda sucks.

In terms of difficulty, I don't anticipate my MPH classes to be hard. My MPH advisor told me the other day that "as long as you get a B average, you'll be fine," adding, "I know it's hard for a lot of med students to understand this, but you really don't have to go crazy with your MPH classes." He says that your MPH should never hinder your work in med school, since you only get one chance for that.

I hope that helps..

Some schools tell us to start applying AFTER getting an acceptance. But I guess it wouldn't hurt to be prepared long before the due date.
 
my two MPH classes (starting next week) are as follows:
Heath Systems & Policy (Mondays 5:30-8:30p)
Intro to Biostatistics (Thursdays 5:30-8:30p)

That's on top of Histo, Physio, and a Physician's class... hopefully it'll all work out
 
Are you all pursuing an MPH to just widen your understanding of medicine or are you guys interested in epidemiology of working for a clinic of something?

I guess my question is what are the advantage of MD/MPH over just MD?

Thanks!
 
I've looked into this at a lot of schools, because I want to do it. While there are schools where you can do both degrees simulataneously in 4 years, the vast majority require you to take a year off to do the MPH coursework, usually between your 2nd and 3rd years of medical school.

University of Rochester is an example of a school that is more flexible regarding the timing. At Rochester you can do your MPH year first, and then do MS1-MS4 without interruption; or you can do the MPH between 2nd and 3rd year; or you can even do it between 1st and 2nd year (which is unusual). The advantage to doing your MPH first is that you get to start and graduate with the same MD class rather than switching in the middle, and you have more time to work on your MPH thesis as well. As I've said, however, at most schools you do the MPH between MS2 and MS3.

Most schools want you to be accepted to medical school before you apply for the MPH program, and many schools (though not all) want you to wait to apply for the MPH until you've already been in medical school long enough to be a known quantity for them. Other schools allow or want you to apply as soon as you have been accepted to medical school but before the year begins, though I don't know of any schools that won't allow you to apply later, after you've begun medical school, if you decide later on that you want to get the MPH.

OHSU, Harvard and Drexel have you apply to both programs at the same time, much as MSTP students apply to the MD and PhD programs simultaneously. (There may be other schools that do this too, but these are the ones that I know.) Even so, at all three of these schools you can decide after you are already in medical school to apply for the MPH. At OHSU (and perhaps at other schools, though I don't know) one advantage of applying for the MD and the MPH programs together is that you do not have disadvantaged OOS status like OOS applicants to the MD program have.

Many schools that don't have MPH programs themselves have formal arrangements with other schools that do. UCSF has a formal arrangement with UC Berkeley, and Duke has an arrangement with UNC-Chapel Hill, for example. You leave your MD school for a year, but they facilitate everything for you and your financial aid doesn't need to be renegotiated, and the schools are so close that you don't have to move anywhere. Similarly, Einstein will let you take a year off to pursue the MPH at Columbia, but I BELIEVE that in their case that year is free of tuition. I haven't looked into the details of this program, so I can't tell you anything else about it, but it sounds like a pretty damned good deal if it really works that way.

Other schools are at least happy to let you go for a year to do the MPH, even if they don't have anything set up with another school. The people at Penn State told me that I would be more than welcome to take a year off to do the MPH at Johns Hopkins, for example, and I'm sure that they wouldn't mind if I decided to go to UNC instead.

One final consideration is that not all schools that offer the MPH have a separate School of Public Health. Some schools have a department of Community and Preventive Medicine (or something similar) through which the MPH is obtained. When you look at the rankings in US News and World Report, you have to look at both Schools of Public Health and graduate programs offered through these other departments. US News ranks them both, and Rochester's program, for example, is highly regarded; but they don't have a separate school of public health, so you might overlook it if you didn't realize that you have to look elsewhere to read about it.

Hope that helps.
 
I'm not an MD/MPH, but right now i'm finishing my MPH at Michigan....and now applying to medical school. I know that those who are doing MD/MPH take a year off between either 2nd-3rd or 3rd-4th years I think...however we do have some med students who are taking both med and public health classes.

Some of my classes are easy...some are not. Some require more work than you could even think was possible. It all depends on the program you choose. Med students are exempt from certain courses (pathophysiology) but not from others.

If I were trying to do MD/MPH at Michigan in 4 years...I'd likely go crazy. I think that's why they make it 5 years here. There are also a lot of group projects depending on what major you choose...

Just my insight...
 
Usually between 3rd and 4th years so they have some integration of clinical skills/environment into public health studies.
 
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