How long do you need to do an activity to show "committment" ?

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I know this is a strange question, and I know you're only supposed to do activities that you feel passionate about, but most of my volunteer (both healthcare and non-healthcare related) activities have been for 6 months. I was told by a friend that this shows serious lack of commitment. How? I would do something in the fall semester, go home for winter break, and then come back and do something new in the spring semester. Is this bad?

I always thought the "one time volunteer" events are the ones you should avoid.
 
If I interview you and look at your ECs and ask you, "So what was this all about? What did you learn from it and what did you produce?" Can you answer it and sound good? If yes, it is enough. It is very hard to be extremely productive in 6 months. If you are publishing in 6 months, making serious headway in a project or making meaningful impact in what you are doing and do it fast, nobody is going to care that you didn't spend years doing it.

Another way of asking, "What is your greatest accomplishment?" If you don't do anything for longer than 6 months it is hard to imagine that being all that strong.
 
Hmm...so it's not that big of a deal as long as I got something out of it?
 
Hmm...so it's not that big of a deal as long as I got something out of it?

I don't think that's what mimelim said...

In any case, I wouldn't say 6 months is "bad" (implies a flaw of being uncommitted)... but it sure does not show commitment. Just curious, why don't you continue with those organizations after coming back from break?
 
I know this is a strange question, and I know you're only supposed to do activities that you feel passionate about, but most of my volunteer (both healthcare and non-healthcare related) activities have been for 6 months. I was told by a friend that this shows serious lack of commitment. How? I would do something in the fall semester, go home for winter break, and then come back and do something new in the spring semester. Is this bad?

I always thought the "one time volunteer" events are the ones you should avoid.

The needs of that specific volunteer cause do not just disappear when you go on break. If you were truly dedicated to the cause and had a passion for it, why would you suddenly abandon it after the semester?
 
I know this is a strange question, and I know you're only supposed to do activities that you feel passionate about, but most of my volunteer (both healthcare and non-healthcare related) activities have been for 6 months. I was told by a friend that this shows serious lack of commitment. How? I would do something in the fall semester, go home for winter break, and then come back and do something new in the spring semester. Is this bad?

I always thought the "one time volunteer" events are the ones you should avoid.

The fact that you are asking this question is very disconcerting. You need to commit to things and continue them for the full commitment. Take ownership of what you commit to instead of bailing whenever you get bored or whatever.

The needs of that specific volunteer cause do not just disappear when you go on break. If you were truly dedicated to the cause and had a passion for it, why would you suddenly abandon it after the semester?

This.
 
If I interview you and look at your ECs and ask you, "So what was this all about? What did you learn from it and what did you produce?" Can you answer it and sound good? If yes, it is enough. It is very hard to be extremely productive in 6 months. If you are publishing in 6 months, making serious headway in a project or making meaningful impact in what you are doing and do it fast, nobody is going to care that you didn't spend years doing it.

Another way of asking, "What is your greatest accomplishment?" If you don't do anything for longer than 6 months it is hard to imagine that being all that strong.

I would agree with this.

It's important that you get something out of your volunteering. You need to learn and change because of it, and you need to contribute in a meaningful way.

That being said, others who have posted here are also correct. If your experience really IS changing you, why not stick with it and learn more? If you really ARE contributing, why not continue it? It's ok to be interested in many different volunteer opportunities, but I would say you need to spend some more time and dedication with at least a couple of them.

Just my $0.02
 
I actually had a similar question - except my case is kind of different. I'm currently a senior and I only decided last summer that I wanted to go into medicine. I spent most of the summer/fall volunteering in a hospital and I continued doing that in the spring but then I wanted to also started getting involved in volunteering for a nonprofit and helping organize their events. By the time I apply in a month, I will have been doing the hospital for a year (also shadowing for a year) and volunteering for the nonprofit for just 3 months...I have definitely gotten a lot out of these experiences however as they have really solidified for me that I want to go into medicine. If I can clearly explain this is it okay that I didn't do it as long as someone who has known they wanted to go into medicine all along?

(Sorry for the really long post!!)
 
At least 400 hrs.

If it's any less, then SDN should literally run you out of the forums. Stop being so worthless!
 
At least 400 hrs.

If it's any less, then SDN should literally run you out of the forums. Stop being so worthless!

There is no "how long." It's what you put in and how that is expressed. People aren't hard to read. When I talk with applicants, I can easily figure out which ones are legit and which aren't. The ones who are "shine," they glow. They are clearly interested. They make me excited about what they are doing. They remind me WHY I am in medical school. The kind of person I would advocate for is the kind who reignites my own passion for medicine. That's the kind of person I want as my doctor, someone whose heart is 110% into it, who has overcome obstacles, who has persevered and continues to do so. Patients care more about who you are than what you know.
 
There is no "how long." It's what you put in and how that is expressed. People aren't hard to read. When I talk with applicants, I can easily figure out which ones are legit and which aren't. The ones who are "shine," they glow. They are clearly interested. They make me excited about what they are doing. They remind me WHY I am in medical school. The kind of person I would advocate for is the kind who reignites my own passion for medicine. That's the kind of person I want as my doctor, someone whose heart is 110% into it, who has overcome obstacles, who has persevered and continues to do so. Patients care more about who you are than what you know.

I care about a doctor who can detect troll posts. That's what's most important to me as a patient.

Nice sperg out on what I wrote though. Reminds me of why I'm bothering to apply.
 
I care about a doctor who can detect troll posts. That's what's most important to me as a patient.

Nice sperg out on what I wrote though. Reminds me of why I'm bothering to apply.

OP is pre-dent.... nevertheless, this question gets asked seriously by pre-meds here all the time, so it's safe to say not all of them are trolling.
 
I'm not a big fan on the whole "you need to volunteer to get into medical school" shenanigans. I think the more important aspect is that you have some hobbies/activities in your life that you are passionate about and can have an interesting conversation about. No one wants a class full of 4.0 GPA 39 MCAT drones (at least I wouldn't want one!)

Survivor DO
 
OP is pre-dent.... nevertheless, this question gets asked seriously by pre-meds here all the time, so it's safe to say not all of them are trolling.

Fair enough.

It just seems like any time someone posts their ECs on this forum, people are quick to yell "NOT ENOUGH" if it's anything less than 300 hours of EMT work plus 500 hours of shadowing the head of cardiology at Mayo. While when I talk to real life people, it's often more what you post (i.e. it's more about the quality of the experience than the time, though time is important too).

I dunno. I only did like 80 hours of time at a hospital plus 30 or so at a hospice plus about 15 hours shadowing someone, but I got so much out of those three experiences that I wouldn't want to replace it with anything.

I'm not a big fan on the whole "you need to volunteer to get into medical school" shenanigans. I think the more important aspect is that you have some hobbies/activities in your life that you are passionate about and can have an interesting conversation about. No one wants a class full of 4.0 GPA 39 MCAT drones (at least I wouldn't want one!)

Survivor DO

I also agree with this completely. An older adcom at a medical school fair told me that he expects pre-meds applying to his school (which I won't name, but safe to say it's elite) to have 'touched a patient.' Where can the average undergrad, or for that matter non-trads, ever get this experience outside of literally becoming an EMT or finding some shady place that lets non-professional volunteers do this? The potential for a lawsuit is ENORMOUS. MOST people can't afford EMT training or the time commitment required (especially non-trads who have to work for a living), and if medical schools really valued it so much, they'd make it part of the pre-med requirements.

I'm sure I'm opening myself up to be ripped apart on SDN by anecdotes about pre-meds on here who've literally performed open heart surgery as freshmen, but in talking with most IRL people who've recently gotten into med school, this sort of experience is extremely hard to find (in fact, the only person I've ever known to do EMT work as part of their pre-med experience is now a med student in the Caribbean). I personally think it's RIDICULOUS that any adcom would expect UNDERGRADUATES of all people to already come in with that sort of hands on experience. It really shows how absolutely out of touch some of these people are.

I think that exposure to medicine and the clinic is really important. And there are great ways to do this, whether it's through shadowing, volunteering at a hospice and comforting patients, or volunteering at a hospital and washing stethoscopes. I did all this stuff and really enjoyed it. But expecting people to literally train for ENTIRE OTHER CAREERS like becoming an EMT (which people literally do to feed their families as a real job) is absurd.
 
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Fair enough.

It just seems like any time someone posts their ECs on this forum, people are quick to yell "NOT ENOUGH" if it's anything less than 300 hours of EMT work plus 500 hours of shadowing the head of cardiology at Mayo. While when I talk to real life people, it's often more what you post (i.e. it's more about the quality of the experience than the time, though time is important too).

I dunno. I only did like 80 hours of time at a hospital plus 30 or so at a hospice plus about 15 hours shadowing someone, but I got so much out of those three experiences that I wouldn't want to replace it with anything.

Right. It's what you get out but you're going to have trouble convincing anyone you were invested if you were involved for less than a month full-time equivalent. Many employers give new employees ~500 hrs before their probationary eval for a reason -- it takes that long to become satisfactorily proficient in most jobs. If you're going to make a difference a volunteer, you have got to put in similar time. That said, it's also largely about showing you're not a robot. I wouldn't want my class to be all the same. Heck, despite my school emphasizing ECs quite strongly over numbers (to the tune of allotting up to about 6 MCAT points' worth to ECs in the scoring process), my class is STILL too homogenous for my liking! Diversity is good. Pursue other experiences. Look to be interesting, a human being.
 
I'm putting down "swimmer" with 20 years of experience.

I'm not even exaggerating.

I doubt many applicants have that kind of commitment.
 
Right. It's what you get out but you're going to have trouble convincing anyone you were invested if you were involved for less than a month full-time equivalent. Many employers give new employees ~500 hrs before their probationary eval for a reason -- it takes that long to become satisfactorily proficient in most jobs. If you're going to make a difference a volunteer, you have got to put in similar time. That said, it's also largely about showing you're not a robot. I wouldn't want my class to be all the same. Heck, despite my school emphasizing ECs quite strongly over numbers (to the tune of allotting up to about 6 MCAT points' worth to ECs in the scoring process), my class is STILL too homogenous for my liking! Diversity is good. Pursue other experiences. Look to be interesting, a human being.

Eh, I guess I'll just have to see what happens. Commitment is hard when you're also finishing a PhD and teaching undergraduate thermodynamics and writing papers and....

It's funny. This forum claims I'm screwed for only a 'month's' worth of time, another one thinks I have way more than enough. I doubt I'm going to have a lot of trouble. The last time I applied to medical school with ZERO ZERO ZERO ANY clinical volunteering (as in ZERO shadowing, ZERO volunteering), I got two interviews and ended up in the process of getting off the waitlist at one place when I instead accepted a spot at Princeton for a graduate degree. So, that's my experience.

But hey, you're the actual med student, I'm just the dummy trying to get in! So if I get rejected by every school out there, everyone on SDN can yell 'TOLD YOU SO!' and I will hang my head in shame! (and take a good paying job in my industry instead).
 
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Eh, I guess I'll just have to see what happens. Commitment is hard when you're also finishing a PhD and teaching undergraduate thermodynamics and writing papers and....

It's funny. This forum claims I'm screwed for only a 'month's' worth of time, another one thinks I have way more than enough. I doubt I'm going to have a lot of trouble. The last time I applied to medical school with ZERO ZERO ZERO ANY clinical volunteering (as in ZERO shadowing, ZERO volunteering), I got two interviews and ended up in the process of getting off the waitlist at one place when I instead accepted a spot at Princeton for a graduate degree. So, that's my experience.

But hey, you're the actual med student, I'm just the dummy trying to get in! So if I get rejected by every school out there, everyone on SDN can yell 'TOLD YOU SO!' and I will hang my head in shame! (and take a good paying job in my industry instead).

And those things are interesting. They make you unique. Keep in mind that the advice given here is general, not necessarily tailored to you as an individual nor to individual schools.
 
And those things are interesting. They make you unique. Keep in mind that the advice given here is general, not necessarily tailored to you as an individual nor to individual schools.

🙂

Thanks for the confidence boost!
 
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