How long will this take me?

[grapp]

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I'm curious on an approximate estimation of time, trust me when I say I am very patient and am willing to wory a very long time to achieve my goal of becoming an emergency room physician.

This is how much time I believe it will take?

Batchelors (4-years)
Med School (4-years) MD/DO
Residency (4-years)
Fellowship (2-years)

Questions:
#1) Would the specialty come after medical school? I'm not sure exactly where that comes in.

#2) Do I need a specialty, or could I do general and become an emergency room doctor?
*I think I need emergency medicine as a specialty?*

#3) How much longer would it take me to do a duel M.D./P.h.D. program?

#4) How long would it take me to become an emergency room doctor from start to finish?
(general surgery specialty, or emergency medicine specialty.)

Thank you SDN.

 

[WedgeDawg]

I'm curious on an approximate estimation of time, trust me when I say I am very patient and am willing to wory a very long time to achieve my goal of becoming an emergency room physician.

This is how much time I believe it will take?

Batchelors (4-years)
Med School (4-years) MD/DO
Residency (4-years)
Sub-Residency (2-years) *I want to do a sub-residency.*

Questions:
#1) Would the specialty come after medical school? I'm not sure exactly where that comes in.

#2) Do I need a specialty, or could I do general and become an emergency room doctor?
*I think I need emergency medicine as a specialty?*

#3) How much longer would it take me to do a duel M.D./P.h.D. program?

#4) How long would it take me to become an emergency room doctor from start to finish?
(general surgery specialty, or emergency medicine specialty.)

Thank you SDN.

4 years undergrad + 4 years med school + 4 years EM residency + 1-2 years EM fellowship = 13-14 years total

A "sub-residency" is called a fellowship; however, from my understanding, they aren't really that common in emergency medicine unless you want to do pediatric emergency medicine. The others are all very niche specialties and you will likely end up doing general EM anyway unless you want to severely limit your practice type and location. However, that's not something you should even remotely be worrying about as a high school student.

1. You choose your specialty during medical school and apply to residencies your last year.

2. You have to do a residency in something to practice medicine. Technically, you can do a 1 year internship and be licensed, but you won't be board certified and in most locations no one will hire you. If you want to do emergency medicine, you should do an EM residency, though you can moonlight or work at urgent care in other specialties if you want. Again, not something to be worrying about right now.

3. *dual - MD/PhD programs are generally 8 years rather than 4 years. MD/PhD emergency medicine physicians are extremely rare.

4. I think you need to do some research as to what medical specialties actually do before you start worrying about this. Your post implies you are not at all familiar with what different types of physicians actually do. One resource that is very simplistic yet a good starting point is WashU's residency roadmap. But really, you should be focusing on getting into/doing well in college first.

 

[IlDestriero]

I'm curious on an approximate estimation of time, trust me when I say I am very patient and am willing to wory a very long time to achieve my goal of becoming an emergency room physician.

This is how much time I believe it will take?

Batchelors (4-years)
Med School (4-years) MD/DO
Residency (4-years)
Sub-Residency (2-years) *I want to do a sub-residency.*

Questions:
#1) Would the specialty come after medical school? I'm not sure exactly where that comes in.

#2) Do I need a specialty, or could I do general and become an emergency room doctor?
*I think I need emergency medicine as a specialty?*

#3) How much longer would it take me to do a duel M.D./P.h.D. program?

#4) How long would it take me to become an emergency room doctor from start to finish?
(general surgery specialty, or emergency medicine specialty.)

Thank you SDN.

You would have to complete a 3-4 year residency after medical school in Emergency Medicine.
You can practice EM without an EM residency, but that's not the norm and those jobs would not be desirable. After a Family Medicine residency for example, working at a VA hospital.
PhD would add ~4 years for most.
Fellowships would be 1-3 years, some are accredited, some seem shady and unnecessary.
Start to finish would likely be 12 years minimum in a 4 year program with no fellowship.
General surgery isn't emergency medicine, it's general surgery. Trauma surgery is a different pathway.

Here are the accredited fellowships.
ACGME certification is available in Pediatric Emergency Medicine, Toxicology, Sports Medicine, and Undersea and Hyperbaric Medicine.

 

[Para-dox]

Minor addition to the above. Emergency physicians can also be fellowship-trained/subspecialty-board certified in critical care (via anesthesia, internal medicine, or surgery) and emergency medical services/disaster. There might also be routes for pain/palliative medicine and neuro-critical care, but I will defer to those more knowledgeable.

 

[grapp]

4 years undergrad + 4 years med school + 4 years EM residency + 1-2 years EM fellowship = 13-14 years total

A "sub-residency" is called a fellowship; however, from my understanding, they aren't really that common in emergency medicine unless you want to do pediatric emergency medicine. The others are all very niche specialties and you will likely end up doing general EM anyway unless you want to severely limit your practice type and location. However, that's not something you should even remotely be worrying about as a high school student.

1. You choose your specialty during medical school and apply to residencies your last year.

2. You have to do a residency in something to practice medicine. Technically, you can do a 1 year internship and be licensed, but you won't be board certified and in most locations no one will hire you. If you want to do emergency medicine, you should do an EM residency, though you can moonlight or work at urgent care in other specialties if you want. Again, not something to be worrying about right now.

3. *dual - MD/PhD programs are generally 8 years rather than 4 years. MD/PhD emergency medicine physicians are extremely rare.

4. I think you need to do some research as to what medical specialties actually do before you start worrying about this. Your post implies you are not at all familiar with what different types of physicians actually do. One resource that is very simplistic yet a good starting point is WashU's residency roadmap. But really, you should be focusing on getting into/doing well in college first.

Okay, I really apperciate your advice as it helps me out a lot. I will most likely part with an MD. I heard the other day that the recommendations for ER physicians were like so, again this is only what I heard.

2 sub-residency (was recommended)

So in sum, 12-14 years. Sounds about right, thank you.

 

[grapp]

4 years undergrad + 4 years med school + 4 years EM residency + 1-2 years EM fellowship = 13-14 years total

A "sub-residency" is called a fellowship; however, from my understanding, they aren't really that common in emergency medicine unless you want to do pediatric emergency medicine. The others are all very niche specialties and you will likely end up doing general EM anyway unless you want to severely limit your practice type and location. However, that's not something you should even remotely be worrying about as a high school student.

1. You choose your specialty during medical school and apply to residencies your last year.

2. You have to do a residency in something to practice medicine. Technically, you can do a 1 year internship and be licensed, but you won't be board certified and in most locations no one will hire you. If you want to do emergency medicine, you should do an EM residency, though you can moonlight or work at urgent care in other specialties if you want. Again, not something to be worrying about right now.

3. *dual - MD/PhD programs are generally 8 years rather than 4 years. MD/PhD emergency medicine physicians are extremely rare.

4. I think you need to do some research as to what medical specialties actually do before you start worrying about this. Your post implies you are not at all familiar with what different types of physicians actually do. One resource that is very simplistic yet a good starting point is WashU's residency roadmap. But really, you should be focusing on getting into/doing well in college first.

Yes, thank you. That does help a lot. I suppose I was thinking of all of the above and a 1 year fellowship program in critical care. Thank you for sharing the link, thath helps! 🙂

 

[neur0goddess]

*Bachelor's 😉

 

[grapp]

*Bachelor's 😉

Yeah... Bachelor's + 4 years of med school + 2-4 year internship + 2 years of critical care fellowship = Grand Total of 12-14 years.
Close though...

 

[neur0goddess]

I'm curious on an approximate estimation of time, trust me when I say I am very patient and am willing to wory a very long time to achieve my goal of becoming an emergency room physician.

This is how much time I believe it will take?

Batchelors (4-years)
Med School (4-years) MD/DO
Residency (4-years)
Sub-Residency (2-years) *I want to do a sub-residency.*

Questions:
#1) Would the specialty come after medical school? I'm not sure exactly where that comes in.

#2) Do I need a specialty, or could I do general and become an emergency room doctor?
*I think I need emergency medicine as a specialty?*

#3) How much longer would it take me to do a duel M.D./P.h.D. program?

#4) How long would it take me to become an emergency room doctor from start to finish?
(general surgery specialty, or emergency medicine specialty.)

Thank you SDN.

I was referring to this lol

 

[sonofva]

Fellowships for em are unnecessary and generally worthwhile only if you have a strong interest in a certain sub-field. They generally aren't going to increase your paycheck, and in some cases may actually cause you to take a pay cut.

 

[Law2Doc]

...
...sub-residency (was recommended)

...duel...

There's not really a thing called "sub-residency" in EM--stop using that term. You presumably mean a fellowship?

"duel" means you cross swords at dawn or try to shoot each other with pistols. So the percentage of MD/PhDs who would survive such programs would be low, bordering on 50%. Presumably you meant "dual". 🙂

 

[grapp]

There's not really a thing called "sub-residency" in EM--stop using that term. You presumably mean a fellowship?

"duel" means you cross swords at dawn or try to shoot each other with pistols. So the percentage of MD/PhDs who would survive such programs would be low, bordering on 50%. Presumably you meant "dual". 🙂

Haha, that's @WedgeDawg . Yes, I meant a fellowship. I'm still in high school, just getting keen with the medical terminology and the steps it takes to become a doctor. Thank you though for informing me of the fellowship versus a "sub-residency" that doens't exist. 🙂

 

[Goro]

This will vary among programs. The typical format is MS1/2 -> PhD --> MS3/4.

The PhD part can either be a glorified MS, or a full-blown five year PhD. So it can be like my own grad school ( and take you maybe 7 years or so) or like Baylor, which will take up to 9 years! (I dated a gal who got her degree from Baylor).

#3) How much longer would it take me to do a duel M.D./P.h.D. program?

 

[grapp]

This will vary among programs. The typical format is MS1/2 -> PhD --> MS3/4.

The PhD part can either be a glorified MS, or a full-blown five year PhD. So it can be like my own grad school ( and take you maybe 7 years or so) or like Baylor, which will take up to 9 years! (I dated a gal who got her degree from Baylor).

#3) How much longer would it take me to do a duel M.D./P.h.D. program?

Thank you for the response.