How much did "you" receive from Medicare Part B in 2012?

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NYT Database Link: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/09/health/medicare-doctor-database.html

NYT Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/business/sliver-of-medicare-doctors-get-big-share-of-payouts.html

Sliver of Medicare Doctors Get Big Share of Payouts
By REED ABELSON and SARAH COHEN APRIL 9, 2014

A tiny fraction of the 880,000 doctors and other health care providers who take Medicare accounted for nearly a quarter of the roughly $77 billion paid out to them under the federal program, receiving millions of dollars each in some cases in a single year, according to the most detailed data ever released in Medicare’s nearly 50-year history.

In 2012, 100 doctors received a total of $610 million, ranging from a Florida ophthalmologist who was paid $21 million by Medicare to dozens of doctors, eye and cancer specialists chief among them, who received more than $4 million each that year. While more money by far is spent for routine office visits than any other single expenditure, one of the most heavily reimbursed procedures — costing a total of $1 billion for 143,000 patients — is for a single treatment for an eye disorder common in the elderly.
The Medicare data — all for 2012 and the subject of an intense legal battle — provides an unprecedented look at the practice of medicine across the country, shedding fresh light on the treatment decisions physicians and other practitioners make every day. It will also provide consumers with an ability to compare doctors and treatments in a way they have never had until now.

Fraud investigators, health insurance plans, researchers and others will spend weeks poring over the information about how many tests were ordered and procedures performed for every provider who received Medicare payments under Part B, which excludes payments to hospitals and other institutions. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services is making the data publicly available on Wednesday. While total Medicare spending — including hospitals, doctors and drugs — is approaching $600 billion a year, payments to individual doctors have long been shrouded in secrecy. For decades, the American Medical Association, the powerful doctors’ group, and others have blocked the release of the information, citing privacy concerns and the potential for misuse of the information. But a federal judge ruled last year that the information could be made public.

Medicare paid $12 billion for 214 million office and outpatient visits, most of them described as between 15 and 25 minutes long. The practitioners — usually doctors, but sometimes nurse practitioners, were paid an average of $57 a visit.

Much of Medicare spending is concentrated among a small fraction of doctors. About 2 percent of doctors account for about $15 billion in Medicare payments, roughly a quarter of the total, according an analysis of the data by The New York Times. These figures exclude commercial entities like clinical laboratories and ambulance services, which account for $13.5 billion of the $77 billion total. Only a quarter of the doctors are responsible for three-quarters of the spending. Medicare provided The New York Times with an advance look at the information but requested that individual doctors not be contacted until the data was made public. A database, searchable by doctors’ names, is available at nytimes.com.

“This is actually the most useful data set that Medicare has ever released,” said Dr. Bob Kocher, who served in the Obama administration and is now a partner at Venrock, a venture capital firm. People will be able to see just how many elbow surgeries a given orthopedic surgeon has performed on Medicare patients, he said, and they will be able to better judge a doctor’s style of practice, for example, whether a CT scan is performed on every patient or only rarely. “You’re going to see variation,” he said.

The American Medical Association, which chose not to try to block the release of the information, questioned the usefulness of these payments to assess doctors.

“We know there are going to be limitations,” said Dr. Ardis Dee Hoven, the president of the association. “It’s raw claims data. This gives us no window into quality or anything of that nature.” While patients may know who performs a high number of procedures, like hip replacements, for example, they will not be able to tell anything about whether the patients needed the surgery or whether they benefited from the surgery.

What’s more, Dr. Hoven cautioned, doctors were not able to review the data, and some of the information being made public could be wrong.

But the release of the information is likely to increase attention to particularly controversial areas of spending. About 3,300 ophthalmologists, for example, were paid a total of $3.3 billion from Medicare, according to the Times analysis. Much of the spending was the result of an expensive and frequent treatment for a kind of age-related macular degeneration, the leading cause of severe vision loss in the elderly, and the cost of the drug is factored into the payments doctors receive. Ranibizumab, known by the brand name Lucentis, is injected into the eye as often as once a month. A cancer drug that is used as an alternative can cost much less. Other specialists also account for large portions of Medicare spending. Fewer than 1,000 radiation oncologists, for example, received payments totaling $1.1 billion.

Regulators and others are also likely to seize on some of this information to find those doctors who perform an unusually high volume of services, raising the question of whether every test or procedure, like the placement of a cardiac stent, was medically necessary.

“There’s a lot of potential for whistle-blowers and justified worry for fraudsters,” said Steven F. Grover, a lawyer who represents whistle-blowers who sue doctors and hospitals who they claim have committed fraud against the Medicare program. “There’s going to be a lot of litigation over this,” he said.

The Office of Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services, which serves as a federal watchdog on fraud and abuse for the agency, released a report in December recommending greater scrutiny of those physicians who were Medicare’s highest billers. The report recommended that Medicare establish a threshold to look more closely at the high billers. Regulators have also said they are scrutinizing the use of high-paying codes in places including the emergency room.

Health insurance companies, which must now rely on only the claims they handle to look at doctors, are also likely to find the information valuable, according to Paul B. Ginsburg, a health economist and professor at the University of Southern California. Marrying the Medicare information to their own information, “all of a sudden they have a lot more to work with,” he said, in trying to better determine how an individual doctor treats patients — ordering lots of tests, for example, or being slow to operate. “This is going to be a very important change,” he said.

Experts say the data must be used with caution. An individual doctor, for example, may seem to have a high volume of services because that doctor oversees medical residents or physician assistants but bills for those services. Medicare patients may be only a fraction of the patients a doctor sees.

Despite its limitations, however, policy experts largely praised the release of the information, arguing that this was an important step to understanding how doctors practice medicine in this country.

“Any time Medicare releases a lot of data, it changes the conversation in America about transparency, about cost and quality,” said François de Brantes, the executive director of the Health Care Incentives Improvement Institute. “It’s more a signal from Medicare to market,” he said.

Sheri Fink, Robert Gebeloff and Andrew Pollack contributed reporting.
 
Just looked at my data. Sadly I am not one of the docs bringing in millions from Medicare.
 
I think this will work better if we "extend" the transparency.
Not names, certainly, but showing what is paid for each item.
Total ~$74K
CC time ~$160 per episode
99283 ~$40
99284 ~$80
99285 ~$120
EKG $5
Wonder if it is markedly different in different areas?
 
Pretty close numbers here in Alabama:
CC time ~$164 per episode
99283 ~$40
99284 ~$79
99285 ~$126
EKG $6
CVL $91
Intubation $82

I didn't see a total (using safari on my iPhone). Where are you guys seeing the total?
 
Around $25,000. But I only worked half a year. however those in my group usually $50-$60,000. The night doc who works 30% more, gets most of the Medicaid Medicare patients got a little over hundred thousand dollars
 
According to my data, Medicare paid me about $21K in 2012 and I paid them about $7K. I guess I'm still coming out ahead.

According to the database- $171 for a critical care code, $7 for reading an EKG, $46, $90, and $131 for levels 3,4, and 5 respectively.
 
Me 76K in medicare payments;

Critical care 173
Level5 130
Level 4 83
Level 3 43

EKG 7
 
I'm not listed (my name doesn't show up, and I am the only one in the US - and in the entire world - with my name).
I would google NPI and your name.

My guess is your city is wrong. I am still listed as being in tucson though I have lived in the PHX area for about 5 years.
 
I know it doesnt matter much but I looked up what some of the local ED groups in town bill for things. Its pretty interesting data.

Huge variation.

Not my group but critical care 765-1300+
Level 5 586-1008
Level 4 379-725

Its only 4 groups in town but from the bottom to the top is almost 2x.
 
I know it doesnt matter much but I looked up what some of the local ED groups in town bill for things. Its pretty interesting data.

Huge variation.

Not my group but critical care 765-1300+
Level 5 586-1008
Level 4 379-725

Its only 4 groups in town but from the bottom to the top is almost 2x.

Some groups like to set their fee schedules ridiculously high but they ultimately wind up accepting the contracted payment regardless of their fee (with contracted groups like BCBS, Cigna, united, Medicare, etc)
 
I guess that since I'm really just a government contractor it's ok that they released this information that is actually quite personal. Presumably I can similarly get the amount paid by the government to any of its other contractors?
 
I would google NPI and your name.

My guess is your city is wrong. I am still listed as being in tucson though I have lived in the PHX area for about 5 years.

I used that NYT link to names in the database only. That should have found me, irrespective of the city (although, I do know for sure that I have not updated my address from my first job in SC, which I left 5 years ago!).
 
I used that NYT link to names in the database only. That should have found me, irrespective of the city (although, I do know for sure that I have not updated my address from my first job in SC, which I left 5 years ago!).
My name wasn't there, yet when I typed in my practice location for 2012 and also wrote my specialty name, my name popped right up there on the 1st page of results.
 
Nearly 88k
CC --> 178
L3--> 47
L4--> 89
L5--> 136
 
I didn't realize how much variation there was. My group is getting hosed by Medicare.

I think it is region / state based? (interlude while I activate Dr. Google). Yes, it does vary:
http://www.cms.gov/mmrr/Downloads/MMRR2013_003_03_a06.pdf
"
Actual Medicare hospital payments are
adjusted: 1) for the acuity of care provided to
the patient—there may be outlier payments for
particular patients, and/or additional payments for
use of new technology; 2) for the type of facility—
such as whether the hospital is a critical access
hospital (CAH), whether it serves a disproportionate
share of Medicaid or uninsured patients (DSH),
and/or whether it is a teaching hospital; and 3)
for the location of the facility—which is generally
reflected in the wage-index for the area."
 
I was just under 100K. The 2 busiest docs in my group were at about 130 each.
 
$100k total

$174 for CritCare
$ 133, $92, $47 for the levels
$7 for EKG
A whopping $98 dollars for a central line
 
We all know you're just rich, greedy doctors raking in cash hand over fist, barely working, just so you can pay for your boats and country club memberships.
 
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I don't know how much you can trust those numbers. I mean, one guy gets $157K and I get $21K? Really? Look up some of your partners that work about as much as you. One of mine only had a total that was 2/3s as much. Way too much variation to be accurate.
 
I don't know how much you can trust those numbers. I mean, one guy gets $157K and I get $21K? Really? Look up some of your partners that work about as much as you. One of mine only had a total that was 2/3s as much. Way too much variation to be accurate.

Was it a nocturnist? There are some reasons to think Medicare patients wouldn't be evenly distributed around the clock.
 
I recommend you to browse ophthalmology and see those numbers :nailbiting:

Ex: Salomon Melgen
The majority of those dollars a "pass through" dollars. Read this:

http://www.bu.edu/today/2014/medicare-data-reveals-1-billion-a-year-for-costly-eye-drug/

Medicare pays doctor $53,000 for treatment of patients with Lucentis over 1 year, but doctor has to buy drug with $50,000 of his own money that is deceptively included Medicare's bogus numbers. Don't believe the "rich greedy doctor" hype. Doctors are fed up with the political smear campaign against them. It's at a boiling point.
 
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