How much speech and correlated abilities are involved with memory?

[dRyW]

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Holà Dudes,

I'd've a few question about.

I've already start a discussios here

It's an interesting matter, so please roll up and have a look 🙂

 

[Maedothin]

dRyW,

I skimmed through your previous post.

Thanks, I do not even know this was a neuropsychological issue.

Ok, forget, lost your memory about amnesia🤣

Actually my curiosity is about how much speech and correlated abilities are involved with memory, namely, if you lost, reputedly and ideally, entirely your memories, will your be able to speak? You gonna became like a baby?

Think of brain a bit like an computer, os could be within hdd or be something like bios, then separated. Could possibly be, according with the various brain's sectors affected, once learned, language's putted aside in a prior assembly-like position.

I'm no expert in neuropsychology, but this seems to be oversimplifying the mechanisms of the mind. Complete retrograde amnesia could possibly interfere with speech, but it tends to be localized to the TBI (rather than complete) and to naturally recover with time. I can see how that question might make sense, but to my knowledge, unless the trauma that caused the amnesia also damaged pathways involved in creating expressive or receptive speech (Wernike's / Broca's area), speech isn't likely to be impacted.

 

[dRyW]

It'sn't that if you lost entirely your memory about your childhood (when you learned the basis of the language), you lose the speaking ability or at least i don't think so. Am I wrong?

 

[bmedclinic]

OP-
This is far from my area, but might be worth asking about in the speech pathology forum. My (much) better half is in this field and she spends a lot of her time doing rehab and focusing on the neuro aspect of speech and TBI type stuff.

 

[KillerDiller]

I'm not a neuropsychologist either, but my impression is that total retrograde amnesia--where a person no longer remembers who he is or anything about his personal life--is psychogenic. So, the speech areas of the brain are not affected because no area of the brain is actually damaged. In a way, total loss of personal memory doesn't exist from a neurological perspective. If any neuropsych people on here know differently, though, I'd be interested to learn more about the topic.

If we are talking about neurodegenerative conditions or traumatic brain injury that causes loss of memory for recent events, then I agree with Maedothin-- any functions that are affected will depend on where the damage occurs.

 

[dRyW]

OP-
This is far from my area, but might be worth asking about in the speech pathology forum. My (much) better half is in this field and she spends a lot of her time doing rehab and focusing on the neuro aspect of speech and TBI type stuff.

Ok let's spam on the speech pathology section

I'm not a neuropsychologist either, but my impression is that total retrograde amnesia--where a person no longer remembers who he is or anything about his personal life--is psychogenic. So, the speech areas of the brain are not affected because no area of the brain is actually damaged. In a way, total loss of personal memory doesn't exist from a neurological perspective. If any neuropsych people on here know differently, though, I'd be interested to learn more about the topic.

If we are talking about neurodegenerative conditions or traumatic brain injury that causes loss of memory for recent events, then I agree with Maedothin-- any functions that are affected will depend on where the damage occurs.

Yes, speech ability affect many areas. I tolked about an ideal condition indeed.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

I'm not a neuropsychologist either, but my impression is that total retrograde amnesia--where a person no longer remembers who he is or anything about his personal life--is psychogenic. So, the speech areas of the brain are not affected because no area of the brain is actually damaged. In a way, total loss of personal memory doesn't exist from a neurological perspective. If any neuropsych people on here know differently, though, I'd be interested to learn more about the topic.

If we are talking about neurodegenerative conditions or traumatic brain injury that causes loss of memory for recent events, then I agree with Maedothin-- any functions that are affected will depend on where the damage occurs.

Pretty much, yep. Speech is obviously a very complex skill that draws on a variety of different areas/abilities, including semantic knowledge and memory, motor programming, perception, comprehension, and sensation, among others.

Even in severe memory disturbance, such as that observed in Korsakoff's for example, speech can be very well-preserved. Conversely, as another poster mentioned, if a circumscribed lesion hits a speech-related area such as Wernicke's or Broca's, you can have a preservation of many cognitive abilities in the presence of severe speech disturbance.

To directly relate to your OP, speech is related to "memory" as a whole, but there are different types of, and processes involved in, memory, each of which has varying levels of susceptibility to disturbance depending on the injury/disease process.

 

[dRyW]

Thank you dudes,

is there some type of memory categorization? For example i'm italian, i learned english not much time ago. It could be possible that my brain classified language informations and allocates these in a specific area of memory? Or it's all a mishmash where mnestic traces consolidate thamselves only as much as they're been processed with time?

 

[IT514]

It'sn't that if you lost entirely your memory about your childhood (when you learned the basis of the language), you lose the speaking ability or at least i don't think so. Am I wrong?

I think part of your question is whether or not the use of certain abilities, in this case speech, are dependent on the context in which they are initially registered. The simple answer is no. The childs brain has areas of cortex which "soak in" speech and language abilities, and will be retained until the point where those specific areas and/or the pathways going in and out are damaged. The memory-consolidating structures of the brain work on that information for a few years, but the ulimate location of the abilities lie diffusely in the certain cortical areas and in certain subcortical pathways.

Further, infantile amnesia, which we all have, occurs during a highly sensitive period for language.

The psychogenic component to this question has already been addressed, so I wont go there, but is the most probable reason for this occurring.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

Thank you dudes,

is there some type of memory categorization? For example i'm italian, i learned english not much time ago. It could be possible that my brain classified language informations and allocates these in a specific area of memory? Or it's all a mishmash where mnestic traces consolidate thamselves only as much as they're been processed with time?

How our brain collects, interprets, encodes, retrieves, and reconstitutes the information is not limited by language. Some of the more recent imaging studies may provide some clarify about where information is stored in the brain and how it is associated. I think an interesting twist to all of this is how emotion acts as a moderator throughout the process. Individuals with significant language deficits (can be a mix of expressive and/or receptive aphasia) really struggle with verbal fluency tasks, though their recall of curse words can often be quite good.