How sad

[UKdent]

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Saw this the other night and just thought I would see how my colleagues view this.
Here is the video on 60 minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_v...nel=/sections/60minutes/videoplayer3415.shtml

and here is the programs website
http://www.ramusa.org/

Any licensed dentist can volunteer and dental students can volunteer as long as they are school sponsored and supervised. Just a thought for the gunners out there (or anyone who cares), it would probably look pretty good on an orth or OMS app if you organized this for your school.

 

[SuperC]

Sometimes this really frustrates me. I know that sometimes people need help, and I really felt for the lady at the end. She Said "Its sad that we are the richest country in the world and we can't take care of our own."

What makes me angry.... Who's responsibility is it to take care of them? Is it really our country's job to make sure that people take care of themselves? I bet if you told your parents that they had to pay for your medical needs for the rest of your life they would tell you to go suck an egg. At some point people need to be responsible for themselves!

I know that there are some cases where people need help, and I am all for that, however should this burden be placed on the tax payer.

Consider the diabetic pt, who does not have health care. Instead of complaining that they can afford their meds, why not loose some weight, instead of popping a pill. Our insurance is out of control b/c MD's prescribe drugs for EVERYTHING! and people think they need drugs instead of lifestyle changes

Not to mention that these "uninsured" numbers which seem SO staggering are crazy. I recently got insurance, so prior to that I was one of those "uninsured " people. I NEVER need to go to a doctor, so why have it? I got insurance for the mentioned "catastrophe" It's 17 bucks a month!!!! I bet that lady has cable TV, and that's more important than spending a few extra bucks for insurance.

This whole thing is less facts and more emotion than it should be.
-C

 

[golfer]

Sometimes this really frustrates me. I know that sometimes people need help, and I really felt for the lady at the end. She Said "Its sad that we are the richest country in the world and we can't take care of our own."

What makes me angry.... Who's responsibility is it to take care of them? Is it really our country's job to make sure that people take care of themselves? I bet if you told your parents that they had to pay for your medical needs for the rest of your life they would tell you to go suck an egg. At some point people need to be responsible for themselves!

I know that there are some cases where people need help, and I am all for that, however should this burden be placed on the tax payer.

Consider the diabetic pt, who does not have health care. Instead of complaining that they can afford their meds, why not loose some weight, instead of popping a pill. Our insurance is out of control b/c MD's prescribe drugs for EVERYTHING! and people think they need drugs instead of lifestyle changes

Not to mention that these "uninsured" numbers which seem SO staggering are crazy. I recently got insurance, so prior to that I was one of those "uninsured " people. I NEVER need to go to a doctor, so why have it? I got insurance for the mentioned "catastrophe" It's 17 bucks a month!!!! I bet that lady has cable TV, and that's more important than spending a few extra bucks for insurance.

This whole thing is less facts and more emotion than it should be.
-C

To the OP thanks for the link.
(Not so) SuperC,
There are so many things to say to this I am not going to waste my time. Hopefully your next two years in the clinic will serve you better (make you a little less ignorant) than the first two.

 

[UKdent]

That’s one thing that kind of intrigues me about this organization. It is not funded by the government so there for our tax dollars aren't funding this. As for as the uninsured and people that could get a job or lose weight; I am kind of in the middle, I see both points. However I like the fact that RAM is that it is more or less a private organization composed of people who just want to help others. To my knowledge they recieve no money from the government, just small private donations. I believe they said they run on an annual budget of around 250,000, which is tiny compared to the number they treat.

 

[SuperC]

To the OP thanks for the link.
(Not so) SuperC,
There are so many things to say to this I am not going to waste my time.

How is spending time in the clinic going to change my mind here? I understand people need help sometimes, I understand that people need health care. But Why is it the governments job to hold the hand of every citizen? Every time we place the burden of responsibility on the government
and not the people we all loose.

Why should you and I be forced to pay for other people's health care? If I decide to donate my time, which I will be happy to do so, to help others in need of dental health care, that's great. But why am I FORCED by my government to pay for some persons treatment.

The thing that NO ONE understands that with freedom comes RESPONSIBILITY.

Hopefully your next two years in the clinic will serve you better (make you a little less ignorant) than the first two.

Hopefully a few years of PAYING TAXES will serve you better (make you a little less ignorant) than your first 8 years of living off mommy and daddy.


Name ONE governmental organization that runs efficiently and cost effectively.

That’s one thing that kind of intrigues me about this organization. It is not funded by the government so there for our tax dollars aren't funding this. As for as the uninsured and people that could get a job or lose weight; I am kind of in the middle, I see both points. However I like the fact that RAM is that it is more or less a private organization composed of people who just want to help others. To my knowledge they recieve no money from the government, just small private donations. I believe they said they run on an annual budget of around 250,000, which is tiny compared to the number they treat.

I agree with, and encourage these types of programs! I think that Dr's that DONATE their time to help others is wonderful. Why this makes me angry, is because it is a chance for Libs, to play the emotion card and force socialized medicine DOWN OUR THROATS.

 

[rrc]

To the OP thanks for the link.
(Not so) SuperC,
There are so many things to say to this I am not going to waste my time. Hopefully your next two years in the clinic will serve you better (make you a little less ignorant) than the first two.

Are you saying that everyone should have equal access to health care? The only way to accomplish this is for the people who can afford health care to pay for the people who cannot afford health care. And universal health care will cause reimbursements to drop to almost nothing.

Remember, when you own a practice, your mortgage lender takes its check each month, your employees want their check, your bills need to be paid, your suppliers will not provide you with free equipment, school loans will be due, etc...

This is a very simplistic explanation for an extremely complicated situation (look at medicaid) but it basically boils down to what I said above.

Just FYI, I perform over $100,000 in charity surgeries each year so I do have a heart 🙂

 

[OceanDMD]

How is spending time in the clinic going to change my mind here? I understand people need help sometimes, I understand that people need health care. But Why is it the governments job to hold the hand of every citizen? Every time we place the burden of responsibility on the government
and not the people we all loose.

Why should you and I be forced to pay for other people's health care? If I decide to donate my time, which I will be happy to do so, to help others in need of dental health care, that's great. But why am I FORCED by my government to pay for some persons treatment.

The thing that NO ONE understands that with freedom comes RESPONSIBILITY.



Hopefully a few years of PAYING TAXES will serve you better (make you a little less ignorant) than your first 8 years of living off mommy and daddy.


Name ONE governmental organization that runs efficiently and cost effectively.



I agree with, and encourage these types of programs! I think that Dr's that DONATE their time to help others is wonderful. Why this makes me angry, is because it is a chance for Libs, to play the emotion card and force socialized medicine DOWN OUR THROATS.

AMEN. Nothing like busting *** to get were you are, going into major debt, and then paying for some lazy ***'s bagful of excuses for why they cant get a job or why they have to consume 6000 calories a day. Obviously there is the needy, but there are plenty of irresponsible lazy asses out there. Socialization is not the answer. I think I am repeating myself from another thread....

 

[NewMexDent]

I think organizations like this and those that volunteer in them are awesome. Seriously, if we had more efforts like this we would greatly reduce our healthcare problems. What's really great about things like this is that it's people taking personal responsibility to help others - it's not the government telling us to do it. We need more organizations like this, or it would be great if the government/corporations organized events like this and invited healthcare providers to participate.

Imagine if every dentist gave two full days a year to volunteer in free clinics like this - do you think we would see some improvements in dental care? I do.

Of course, I do think that individuals need to take more responisbility for their own healthcare - by changing lifestyle choices or giving up certain ammenities to pay for simple dental procedures. I have in mind the truck driver for this one. So, he drove his family 200 miles to the clinic (probably 200 miles back), that's around $60 in gas. It's likely that they ate out during their trip, that's another $20-30. I noticed a pack of cigarettes on his dashboard, if he changed that habit he could save more money.

It's really not a stretch to think that he could have come up with the money to get an extraction. Granted, his family got a lot more than just an extraction, but I don't think it would have been too difficult for him to have paid for an extraction - there are probably needier people than him.

 

[letsgfuad]

super C i kind of agree with you. I dont think its our govt job to hold our hand and take the responsibility out of our hands. However i do think its the people (us future doctors) that are more fortunate than others to help then less fortunate out (That is hopefully why we are becoming doctors).

With the whole diabetes thing, it may not be a weight issue, and many other of the services RAM does are probably not user inflicted. However, you guys (2 people above me) make good points. Hopefully there will be more organizations like this in the future (in and out of america) so we can keep that govt out of it. Seems like much more gets done in a more cost effective way when privatized organizations get involved and not the govt. If the govt tried to do something like that, i almost guarentee it would cost 4-10 times more money that the 250k.


If we had the govt try to run health insurance it probably would fail, just like the social security that i will never see. I think i should be in control of my own social security and health. I talked to a canadian couple a few weeks ago who said thats why they left canada. Their family member did not receive any help because there were more important cases to work on. He ended up dying. Also, age is an issue. A kid with a fractured leg will probably be seen before a 65 year old man who needs heart surgery (no credible source on this, but it seemed like thats what the canadian family was saying)

Programs like this are great and i hope i will be apart of one someday whether i donate my money or time.

 

[moxn]

But Why is it the governments job to hold the hand of every citizen?

The thing that NO ONE understands that with freedom comes RESPONSIBILITY.

This is really a misled statement.

We are not purely individuals, we live in a society.
The government (granted it can be run better) is not some foreign monolith. It is the institution we have designated as a society to tackle our common problems.

Your argument is a pretty severe statement. By the same logic, then why do I have to pay to educate children in the inner city? Or anywhere?
California pays infinitely more taxes than Arizona - why should I pay federal dollars to ensure the secure borders of Arizona? I have never set foot in the midwest outside Chicago, why should I pay to repair highways in the midwest?

Loving your country/being a patriot is not just saluting the flag. If you love America, then you pay for America. You pay to educate it's people, you pay for the healthcare of its people, you pay for the national security of its people, you pay for America's infrastructure.
Joining the army is not the only sacrifice you can offer your country.

I understand paying high taxes is a nuisance - everyone in my family contributes more than a fair share. However, you should not just think of yourself. Paying to educate people is good for the economy and society. Paying for people's healthcare is good for productivity and society.

There are tons of institutions that are socialized. The postal service for example. It's the best in the world. No, it's not FedEx, but FedEx is not 43 cents either.

Next time you wonder "why should I pay for THEM," know that THEY paid for YOU. You owe what you are to all of the institutions and support structures you benefited from. Someone else paid taxes to send you to public school. Someone else paid taxes to keep you safe as you grew up. Even someone else pays taxes to maintain an infrastructure and environment that is conducive to small business (dental practice). In fact, someone else paid taxes to subsidize your dental education: it costs a lot more than you paid. Someone else pays to subsidize the interest on your loans. You live 18 years longer than you would in 1940 because someone else paid taxes to fund medical research.

What we have didn't materialize because Jefferson wrote 11 words on paper. What he have came through a lot of people's sacrifice and a lot of their money. Don't you think you should contribute your share a little more happily?

Someone on the thread was saying that educational loans are burden enough and that socialized medicine would be too much. I am not going to compare us to a socialist country because we are different. But I just want to cite an example of Sweden. I lived there last summer. Healthcare is essentially free, but so is education. When I finish my DMD I will have spent $468,000 on my education ($168,000 undergrad, $300,000 dental). In Sweden the doctor gets educated for free. (You get loans, the gov. pays the loans if you graduate). And believe me those doctors do well. The one I worked with had an 18th century flat in Stockholm, a house in Copenhagen, and Audi A8 (anyone who owns a car that big in Stockholm must have exhausted all other ways of wasting extra money).
And Sweden has a higher human development index than we do.

Granted, if you want to argue lower taxes, and more efficient government then I'm 100% in agreement. However, it is really glib to ask "why should I pay for you?" Paying for THEM was how we came out of a depression, bombed the hell out of Europe, and then rebuilt it. Not bad eh?

 

[golfer]

Super C,
You and I agree in most of the arguments you brought up. I should have been more specific when calling you ignorant (btw, I have filed as HoH for 8 years now and would bet I have paid more in taxes then you have ie family business).
The lady interviewed seemed, like she said, a hard worker who doesn't like to ask of others. You said she could spend the $17 which you think she is spending on cable to put towards life insurance. Well she was there for an eye exam bc she is on a fixed income, how would she make a payment for the deductable for a regular eye exam with this insurance? She would have to pay for all of it undoubtedly. Could she afford it? Let say you were like the truck driver and had insurance. Though you never go the doctor now your body will start to deteriorate and you will have to go to the doctor. What kind of deductable are you going to be paying? you have very little if any discretionary income. You said that no one understands that with freedom comes responsbility. Is this person not responsible? What about the truck driver he made peanuts...yet that was all he was paid and someone has to be a trucker...granted everybody can make lifestyle changes but are we still going to be 100% healthy?
I like you do not support socialized medicine and as well feel a little cheated when those who on government's support that can change their conditions do not bc of laziness or xxx reason. We both know the importance of donating our time. etc. etc. Ignorant was a little harsh. My bad.
Oh and the guy above makes an interesting point.

 

[Count Orlok]

This is really a misled statement.

Someone on the thread was saying that educational loans are burden enough and that socialized medicine would be too much. I am not going to compare us to a socialist country because we are different. But I just want to cite an example of Sweden. I lived there last summer. Healthcare is essentially free, but so is education. When I finish my DMD I will have spent $468,000 on my education ($168,000 undergrad, $300,000 dental). In Sweden the doctor gets educated for free. (You get loans, the gov. pays the loans if you graduate). And believe me those doctors do well. The one I worked with had an 18th century flat in Stockholm, a house in Copenhagen, and Audi A8 (anyone who owns a car that big in Stockholm must have exhausted all other ways of wasting extra money).
And Sweden has a higher human development index than we do.

It seems like anytime there is an instance to bring up socialized medicine Sweden gets thrown in as the example, but what many people don't realize is that Sweden is really not that well off. Sure the little kiddies in Sweden get free dental and medical care, but at what cost? Actually, now the country is on its way to going bankrupt. And many might say that America is bankrupt, too, because we are so many trillions of dollars of debt, but the difference is that people are still willing to allow us to borrow against our debt where as is Sweden they are pretty much out of luck. Also, in Sweden the tax rate is enormous. For every dollar a company pays and employee that company is taxed 55 cents on the dollar (or euro or whatever they use) and then when that employee receives that dollar they worked so hard to earn when it is all said and done they pay 50 cents on the dollar in taxes. So, in the end the government is getting 105% tax on every dollar earned. I know what you are thinking this math just doesn't add up. And then you throw in the everybody is educated for free system just to multiply the chaos. Sweden has a huge educated public, but relatively few jobs because in the end who wants to take the risk to be an entrepreneur when there are little to no financial gains to be had. This forces the government to generate bogus government funded work programs where educated people get assigned random jobs (when the original employee is told to go on extended paid vacation) for short periods so that the unemployment rate looks like it is about 9-12% on paper, but in actuality the unemployment rate is around 25%. So in the end is this really better off? Is making sure everybody has equal access to health care worth all of this? In my opinion NO!

By writing this I am not trying to act as though I am the authority on Sweden or socialized health care/economies, but I have several Swedish friends here in the states and these are the problems that they very often point out about the country. To prove a little bit of a point, on of the girls from Sweden was educated as an electrical and chemical engineer and then was placed in a job by the government to make children's furniture. And her sister who was also educated at a college level (for what I can't remember) was told that she would be a pastry chef for a year or so until something else came along. I know I will probably get ripped for this but it is just what I have noticed by looking deeper into things. I by no means am trying to discredit Sweden in any way, nor make it seem like America has the best system ever because I think we could definitely make some serious changes too. I honestly don't have the answers and don't claim too I just thought some of you would find this interesting.

When you look at countries like Sweden from just a health care stand point everything looks good on paper, but will we ever reach this free health care, I love you, you love me, perfect in every way bubble gum society........NO!

 

[Count Orlok]

Also, I have spent a good bit of time volunteering at various dental clinics and the one common theme I have noticed is that the majority of the people who show up to these things either could afford the care or just don't care enough about themselves to take action and make their health care a priority. It is kind of sickening to see people pull up into the parking lot in their brand new navigators with the sound systems blaring and the twinkies or twankies or spindiggies or whatever the rappers are calling them these days spinning when the dental students have to take a bus to the clinic because they can't afford a car. Then after yelling at you for making them wait so long to get their bombed out tooth extracted, they stand up pull out their new iphone and call god knows who (probably long distance and not collect just to throw it in your face), and then walk out side and start chain smoking cigarettes after you just told them not to smoke. I am all for the helping people in need but it really disgusts me to see people like this abuse the system. In my opinion handing out health care like candy on halloween makes the public lazy and apathetic about their own wellbeing.

How about instead of free health care we give out free financial education classes so that way all the poor people might become motivated to learn how to financially care for themselves and their family, and who knows maybe even contribute something to society one day.

 

[NewMexDent]

How about instead of free health care we give out free financial education classes so that way all the poor people might become motivated to learn how to financially care for themselves and their family, and who knows maybe even contribute something to society one day.

That's not a bad idea. We could even supplement it with free classes on how to stop smoking, lose weight, brush your teeth and how to generally take care of your body.

For the financial education classes we could finally point the finger at rich financial aid advisors, etc. when they don't volunteer to teach them. I just love how everyone points to doctors and dentists, expecting them to take less pay and volunteer more time, when they are not the only ones that could do something to improve this world.

 

[UKdent]

Also, I have spent a good bit of time volunteering at various dental clinics and the one common theme I have noticed is that the majority of the people who show up to these things either could afford the care or just don't care enough about themselves to take action and make their health care a priority. It is kind of sickening to see people pull up into the parking lot in their brand new navigators with the sound systems blaring and the twinkies or twankies or spindiggies or whatever the rappers are calling them these days spinning when the dental students have to take a bus to the clinic because they can't afford a car. Then after yelling at you for making them wait so long to get their bombed out tooth extracted, they stand up pull out their new iphone and call god knows who (probably long distance and not collect just to throw it in your face), and then walk out side and start chain smoking cigarettes after you just told them not to smoke. I am all for the helping people in need but it really disgusts me to see people like this abuse the system. In my opinion handing out health care like candy on halloween makes the public lazy and apathetic about their own wellbeing.

How about instead of free health care we give out free financial education classes so that way all the poor people might become motivated to learn how to financially care for themselves and their family, and who knows maybe even contribute something to society one day.

I must agree there is nothing worse than people that act like this. It is total disrespect for our service. However there are always bad apples in the bunch. I try my best to overlook these people. If I focus on them, then I tend to take my work home with me and it spoils my day. On a lighter note those they are people that do need and deserve your service. There is nothing better than the enjoyment you get out of helping someone who truely deserves it. For instance several months ago a new mother came in, couldn't afford dental insurance b/c of the lack of work while pregnant. A few simple restorations, an extraction on her; a restoration and a few sealants on her other child brightened her day. After she expressed her gratitude, she told me that I had a few free meals coming my way if I ever stopped by the restaurant that she worked. I also received a Christmas card this year from her. Those are the patients that make volunteer work worth it.
That is just one of the many good experiences that I have encountered. If anyone else has a positive experience, it would be nice to hear some.

 

[OceanDMD]

This is really a misled statement.

We are not purely individuals, we live in a society.
The government (granted it can be run better) is not some foreign monolith. It is the institution we have designated as a society to tackle our common problems.

Your argument is a pretty severe statement. By the same logic, then why do I have to pay to educate children in the inner city? Or anywhere?


THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN PAYING FOR THE IRRESPONSIBLE LAZY *** WHO THINKS THEy ARE OWED THEIR HEALTHCARE REGARDLESS OF THEIR SITUATION.

California pays infinitely more taxes than Arizona - why should I pay federal dollars to ensure the secure borders of Arizona?


BECAUSE PAYING MONEY TO SECURE THE BORDERS PREVENTS JOB LOSS TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO WORK FOR PEANUTS, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO WE PAY FOR THEIR CHILDRENS HEALTHCARE AND SCHOOLING WHEN THEY DONT PAY TAXES.....I COULD GO ON AND ON.


I have never set foot in the midwest outside Chicago, why should I pay to repair highways in the midwest?


BECAUSE THE LOAF OF BREAD, FILLET MIGNON, AND POTATO YOU TAKE FOR GRANTED COMES THROUGH THAT MIDWEST HIGHWAY. THUS, WE PAY FOR THE HIGHWAY(FYI, ITS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN PAYING FOR JANES INSULIN BECAUSE SHE SPENDS HER MONEY ON CROWN ROYAL).
Loving your country/being a patriot is not just saluting the flag. If you love America, then you pay for America. You pay to educate it's people, you pay for the healthcare of its people, you pay for the national security of its people, you pay for America's infrastructure.


AGREED. BUT IF YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, REGARDLESS OF YOUR INCOME, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE THINGS.


Joining the army is not the only sacrifice you can offer your country.

I understand paying high taxes is a nuisance - everyone in my family contributes more than a fair share. However, you should not just think of yourself. Paying to educate people is good for the economy and society. Paying for people's healthcare is good for productivity and society.

NOT WHEN YOU ARE PAYING FOR A LAZY *** WHO PUTS NO TIME INTO THEIR CHILDREN, NO TIME INTO PAYING FOR THEMSELVES, AND IN THE LONG RUN WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTRIBUTING MORE LAZY ASSES OR ADMITTANCES TO OUR STATE PRISON INSTITUTION WHICH TAX PAYERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.



There are tons of institutions that are socialized. The postal service for example. It's the best in the world. No, it's not FedEx, but FedEx is not 43 cents either.

Next time you wonder "why should I pay for THEM," know that THEY paid for YOU. You owe what you are to all of the institutions and support structures you benefited from. Someone else paid taxes to send you to public school. Someone else paid taxes to keep you safe as you grew up. Even someone else pays taxes to maintain an infrastructure and environment that is conducive to small business (dental practice). In fact, someone else paid taxes to subsidize your dental education: it costs a lot more than you paid. Someone else pays to subsidize the interest on your loans. You live 18 years longer than you would in 1940 because someone else paid taxes to fund medical research.


I THINK IM GOING TO PUKE


What we have didn't materialize because Jefferson wrote 11 words on paper. What he have came through a lot of people's sacrifice and a lot of their money. Don't you think you should contribute your share a little more happily?

Someone on the thread was saying that educational loans are burden enough and that socialized medicine would be too much. I am not going to compare us to a socialist country because we are different. But I just want to cite an example of Sweden. I lived there last summer. Healthcare is essentially free, but so is education. When I finish my DMD I will have spent $468,000 on my education ($168,000 undergrad, $300,000 dental). In Sweden the doctor gets educated for free. (You get loans, the gov. pays the loans if you graduate). And believe me those doctors do well. The one I worked with had an 18th century flat in Stockholm, a house in Copenhagen, and Audi A8 (anyone who owns a car that big in Stockholm must have exhausted all other ways of wasting extra money).
And Sweden has a higher human development index than we do.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A FUTURE IN SWEDEN. ITS PRETTY COLD.

Granted, if you want to argue lower taxes, and more efficient government then I'm 100% in agreement. However, it is really glib to ask "why should I pay for you?" Paying for THEM was how we came out of a depression, bombed the hell out of Europe, and then rebuilt it. Not bad eh?

You sound a bit liberal for my taste. If you dont like sweden's climate, I've heard China is nice.😉

 

[loved]

Also, I have spent a good bit of time volunteering at various dental clinics and the one common theme I have noticed is that the majority of the people who show up to these things either could afford the care or just don't care enough about themselves to take action and make their health care a priority. It is kind of sickening to see people pull up into the parking lot in their brand new navigators with the sound systems blaring and the twinkies or twankies or spindiggies or whatever the rappers are calling them these days spinning when the dental students have to take a bus to the clinic because they can't afford a car. Then after yelling at you for making them wait so long to get their bombed out tooth extracted, they stand up pull out their new iphone and call god knows who (probably long distance and not collect just to throw it in your face), and then walk out side and start chain smoking cigarettes after you just told them not to smoke. I am all for the helping people in need but it really disgusts me to see people like this abuse the system. In my opinion handing out health care like candy on halloween makes the public lazy and apathetic about their own wellbeing.

How about instead of free health care we give out free financial education classes so that way all the poor people might become motivated to learn how to financially care for themselves and their family, and who knows maybe even contribute something to society one day.

Lots of Americans (dare I say majority?) are uneducated in health and nutrition. Before America is able to appreciate the benefits of universal health care, the public has to learn the basics of taking care of one's self. Canada employs public service announcements on issues from tobacco to skin cancer. It isn't ground breaking but hey at least it helps. I agree with you Count O.. education needs to come first. And I think it should come from the government.

 

[rose786]

The founder of RAM is amazing (forget his name). Sleeping in a school and showering with a hose, and he's still happy because he's getting care to people who need it.

 

[1992Corolla]

If I am entitled to go to school and have the government pay for it then wouldn't it be better to get some of these lazy people in school and have the government pay for it rather than have ME and YOU pay for their needs later down the road? I agree with Ocean and SuperC.


The argument saying that we owe it to the government to help these people out because the government paid for us is backwards. If I recall the government is charging me 8-9% interest on that loan I have to pay back.

I am 100% FOR charity, but not for those who are not trying to help out thier situation.

C'mon guys. I sold my snowboard to pay my deposit at dental school. I don't have cable. Heck, my desktop has 256MB of RAM! Its 8 years old! I sell extra clothes on ebay and I make 2 dollars a month on a crappy website I have to try and pay the bills. Granted I made the choice to pursue DMD so this is not a complaint, just an example. I am not giving up luxuries only to have to turn around and pay for 6000 calorie a day Frank insulin because he would rather watch pron on his HBO and not get out and run for 30 minutes a day. If I can get financial aid then so can he/she.

The victim mentality stymies me.

 

[bodiddely]

I make 2 dollars a month on a crappy website I have to try and pay the bills.

Are you referring to your blog? I will try to click on the ads more often lol!

 

[1992Corolla]

I don't get paid for clicks...and I dont even like the ads that much...I ma get rid of them.

Long story short: google ads screwed me out of 200 bucks and kicked me off for life. Google = 👎, unfortunately they pay the best.😀

Oh well. Hopefully I make a better dentist than website owener, hahaha.