How smart do you have to be?

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Hi all, I'm a MS3 right now deciding what to do...I've been interested in Rads, but just scared ****less that I'm going to either hate doing it as an attending or that I'm going to not be that great as an attending when I have to jump from organ system to organ when reading 80-100 films a day. Right now I enjoy looking at films and enjoy reading about what the findings are and get amazed about all the relationships there are within a single study...but my worry is that how will I be able to remember all the different things in order to come up with a diagnosis as an attending. There are hundreds of fracture types, hundreds of abdominal diseases, hundreds of tumors all across the body, how do attendings switch from organ to organ on a daily basis without feeling thrashed at the end of the day? I've heard in private practice, a lot of the studies are normal, or that once you're an attending you get used to seeing something and looking for the possible associated findings, but can someone just enlighten me on life in private practice and how hard it is intellectually as an attending. I've done numerous searches as you can see this is my 8th post. thanks!

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I am a senior resident and I find radiology extremely challenging on a day-to-day basis; every day I see something that really makes me think hard and use the experience and resources that I have. At the same time, that's part of what makes it rewarding. It's a challenge and it's different every day. For many people, the jumping around makes it more interesting because you are seeing even more different things.

The bottom line is, if you have been successful in medical school, on step 1, and in your clerkships, you can be successful in radiology. It's just like anything else, there is a learning curve and you find out what is important as you do it. The same things that made you successful before (discipline, attention to detail, and a desire to improve yourself) can make you successful again, you just have to keep doing them.

Now as to whether you would hate doing it as a career, no one can answer that for you. Just work hard on your rotations and try to picture doing what they are doing, and remember that being a med student in radiology is the most boring it will ever be.
 
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Hi all, I'm a MS3 right now deciding what to do...I've been interested in Rads, but just scared ****less that I'm going to either hate doing it as an attending or that I'm going to not be that great as an attending when I have to jump from organ system to organ when reading 80-100 films a day. Right now I enjoy looking at films and enjoy reading about what the findings are and get amazed about all the relationships there are within a single study...but my worry is that how will I be able to remember all the different things in order to come up with a diagnosis as an attending. There are hundreds of fracture types, hundreds of abdominal diseases, hundreds of tumors all across the body, how do attendings switch from organ to organ on a daily basis without feeling thrashed at the end of the day? I've heard in private practice, a lot of the studies are normal, or that once you're an attending you get used to seeing something and looking for the possible associated findings, but can someone just enlighten me on life in private practice and how hard it is intellectually as an attending. I've done numerous searches as you can see this is my 8th post. thanks!

There's a reason why it's a 4-year residency and that most people do a fellowship. It's not reasonable to expect one person to be knowledgeable about all the different types of dwarfism and be an expert on using MRS and perfusion to help diagnosis a brain tumor.

Some people have a better "eye" for radiology than others, but that shouldn't discourage you. Even people for whom findings don't jump off the screen can be competent radiologists. It just takes diligence and adherence to a search pattern.

In general, I've heard it takes about 10 years to become an expert at something, and that includes radiology. That is, as we gain experience, we rely more on type I, or automatic, processing according to the dual-process theory of cognition. Our brains recognize patterns, often times before, or even without, our conscious minds can see it or articulate it. If you've ever had an attending say to you, "I can't tell you why it's abnormal; it just is.", then you've experienced this phenomenon second-hand. In this sense, radiology becomes "easier", but it requires a high degree of vigilance to know when to switch from type I to type II, or analytic, thinking in order to avoid over-reliance on heuristics.

A person's degree of intellectual stimulation is highly idiosyncratic, so it's difficult to speak to how hard private practice might be for someone. I have heard some PP radiologists lament that they are so busy that, when an interesting or unknown case comes along, they do not have the time to research it adequately. They feel compelled to say something - anything - intelligible before moving on. If you're the type of person that enjoys mulling over a differential, then perhaps you'll find your home in academia.
 
You don't have to be "smart" in terms of things making sense to you intuitively, but you will definitely have to be prepared to study very hard. Make sure you enjoy studying. We have to know some pretty random crap, and I often feel like I'm an MS-2 again, studying for Step 1.
 
You seem fairly thoughtful. Keep the intensity up and you should be fine...
 
By the time you finish training and practice for 5+ years, knowledge will not be so much of an issue. For me, main concerns are not overlooking findings and keeping up with the insane volumes when you are on call. Most cases are routine or normal in the community setting. But you gotta keep your guard up at all times.
 
Being thorough, precise and CLINICALLY RELEVANT is more important than being smart, IMO. Not that you don't have to knowledgable, because you absolutely do. But I've found my biggest mistakes to be pretty obvious findings that I just missed by being careless/rushed, rather than not being smart enough to see/make the zebra call.

Some radiologists can be too smart for their own good, rendering their reports worthless with laundry lists of verbal diarrhea and incidental findings and hedging (probable appendicitis; can't exclude cancer) Don't be one of those. They give us all a bad name.
 
hi im in middle school im an 8th grader. I really want to be a cardiothoracic surgeon but right now in school im not doing very well in school like I got a 70 in some of my classes.Do yall have any advice. Please any thing will help I need to prove my parents wrong I need to be a surgeon. This is my passion. Please. (sorry about the punctuation)
 
hi im in middle school im an 8th grader. I really want to be a cardiothoracic surgeon but right now in school im not doing very well in school like I got a 70 in some of my classes.Do yall have any advice. Please any thing will help I need to prove my parents wrong I need to be a surgeon. This is my passion. Please. (sorry about the punctuation)

Sorry with marks like that in middle school the medical field is forever closed off to you. All cardiothoracic surgeons I know have already passed calculus and quantum physics by middle school not to mention 5 or 6 publications in high impact factor journals.
 
hi im in middle school im an 8th grader. I really want to be a cardiothoracic surgeon but right now in school im not doing very well in school like I got a 70 in some of my classes.Do yall have any advice. Please any thing will help I need to prove my parents wrong I need to be a surgeon. This is my passion. Please. (sorry about the punctuation)

Hi! I think it'd be best to ask this question in the high school forum or perhaps surgery forum.

That said, right now, I would just focus on doing well in school, and not worry about being any sort of a doctor. I say this in a good way - it's a really long time away for you! 🙂 And I wouldn't worry too much about junior high school grades either. Try to do better, of course, and when you get to high school do your best to get a good GPA and SAT score so you can get into a good college/university. That's all you need to worry about for now, I think. 🙂
 
hi im in middle school im an 8th grader. I really want to be a cardiothoracic surgeon but right now in school im not doing very well in school like I got a 70 in some of my classes.Do yall have any advice. Please any thing will help I need to prove my parents wrong I need to be a surgeon. This is my passion. Please. (sorry about the punctuation)
If you have questions about being a surgeon, the radiology forum is not the best place.

Please post your query in the hSDN forum: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forums/hsdn.420/
 
hi im in middle school im an 8th grader. I really want to be a cardiothoracic surgeon but right now in school im not doing very well in school like I got a 70 in some of my classes.Do yall have any advice. Please any thing will help I need to prove my parents wrong I need to be a surgeon. This is my passion. Please. (sorry about the punctuation)

Focus on maximizing your athletic prowess. The grades will follow...
 
Hi all, I'm a MS3 right now deciding what to do...I've been interested in Rads, but just scared ****less that I'm going to either hate doing it as an attending or that I'm going to not be that great as an attending when I have to jump from organ system to organ when reading 80-100 films a day. Right now I enjoy looking at films and enjoy reading about what the findings are and get amazed about all the relationships there are within a single study...but my worry is that how will I be able to remember all the different things in order to come up with a diagnosis as an attending. There are hundreds of fracture types, hundreds of abdominal diseases, hundreds of tumors all across the body, how do attendings switch from organ to organ on a daily basis without feeling thrashed at the end of the day? I've heard in private practice, a lot of the studies are normal, or that once you're an attending you get used to seeing something and looking for the possible associated findings, but can someone just enlighten me on life in private practice and how hard it is intellectually as an attending. I've done numerous searches as you can see this is my 8th post. thanks!

Intellectually speaking, PP is on the low end of being demanding, rather you have to have the stamina/drive to crank out the reports and clear out the list...7 years from now PP may not even be in existence so wouldn't worry about this option at this point....Think you're complicating the pathology out there, keep it big picture, infectious, inflammatory, and neoplastic (also throw in traumatic, congenital, and idiopathic)...you'll do great!
 
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