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10 years ago, any pharmacist with a pulse can get a job. Now, anyone with a pulse can get accepted to a pharmacy school but can't get a job after graduation.
 
BMBiology said:
10 years ago, any pharmacist with a pulse can get a job. Now, anyone with a pulse can get accepted to a pharmacy school but can't get a job after graduation.
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Would you like some cheese with that wine?
 
I will save a job for you when you graduate if you get me some cold beers
 
And those with jobs have to adapt to change Q 45 minutes. I even like change, but everyone has a limit.
 
They'll get jobs.
It just wont be pharmacist jobs.
The days of PharmDs applying for tech positions are coming.
Even those tech positions may become super competitive in the future if 2-3 new pharmacy schools open every year.
Who knows?
Maybe they will waive CPhT exams for PharmDs who pass the NAPLEX.
 
i'm not helping this situation, huh? holding down two jobs...greedy me.
 
there will always be jobs for experienced clinical pharmacists

but new grads out of a diploma mill, I dont see the demand and supply equation in your favor
 
Sparda29 said:
I got 3 and I'm interviewing at one of the top hospitals in Manhattan soon. 😀
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I turned down offer #3, just couldn't do it. I need time to spend the money i make, damn it.
 
I also have one FT (M-F 9 to 5) and one PRN job (weekends). However, I have not worked a shift at the PRN in almost three months and will probably drop off the system. There are shifts available, but I'm finding I'd rather have my weekends free than have the extra money. :shrug:

I also still have my consulting business that's bringing in a little money every month and have been approached about doing home MTM for another provider.
 
Sparda29 said:
I mean the other 2 are per diem so, I basically control if I wanna work more than 40 hours.
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Yeah it was also per-diem but I couldn't commit to the training requirement, which is generally two weeks. They were pretty much offering to work around my schedule and let me train whenever, but in hindsight over the past few months I would have worked 30 days straight...and I'm not even exaggerating.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
I also have one FT (M-F 9 to 5) and one PRN job (weekends). However, I have not worked a shift at the PRN in almost three months and will probably drop off the system. There are shifts available, but I'm finding I'd rather have my weekends free than have the extra money. :shrug:

I also still have my consulting business that's bringing in a little money every month and have been approached about doing home MTM for another provider.
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what do u consult in
 
I don't care if I get flack for this and I wouldn't be surprised if I get support from the females, but one of the vectors that has absolutely lead to the crushing corporatizing destruction of the pharmacy work environment is the preponderance of females in what used to be a male dominated field. The female pysche is much more amenable to corporate culture and less inclined to push back.

Scan the rosters of your state boards. A good size sample will reveal that nearly all new RPhs are girls. Perhaps this might be a hope for us guys, b/c these girls are not going to grind for 20-30 years. By the end of the decade most of them will be gone. We just have to close down these schools and stop the flow of newly born corporate fodder.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
I also have one FT (M-F 9 to 5) and one PRN job (weekends). However, I have not worked a shift at the PRN in almost three months and will probably drop off the system. There are shifts available, but I'm finding I'd rather have my weekends free than have the extra money. :shrug:

I also still have my consulting business that's bringing in a little money every month and have been approached about doing home MTM for another provider.
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Made a liar of myself. Worked a PRN shift today. Here's to a little extra cash and at least three more months of employee discount. Can get some Christmas shopping done + stuff for my new home. Woohoo!
 
grumps said:
I don't care if I get flack for this and I wouldn't be surprised if I get support from the females, but one of the vectors that has absolutely lead to the crushing corporatizing destruction of the pharmacy work environment is the preponderance of females in what used to be a male dominated field. The female pysche is much more amenable to corporate culture and less inclined to push back.

Scan the rosters of your state boards. A good size sample will reveal that nearly all new RPhs are girls. Perhaps this might be a hope for us guys, b/c these girls are not going to grind for 20-30 years. By the end of the decade most of them will be gone. We just have to close down these schools and stop the flow of newly born corporate fodder.
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You remind me of an article, which I cannot find the link for it, which is a well written article that explains that women are not suitable to enter high stress, high management type of health professions like medicine or pharmacy. The major gist was the cost of education is subsidized by the nation, and ala to what you said, women work less hours and often drop off entirely if they marry, which screws over the profession and community they were supposed to serve.

I've also seen in the workplace (in other fields) the ones working absurdly long hours, staying up late, devoting themselves to the job, are usually all male. Perhaps an explanation for what you said about our females more amenable to corporate culture and just acting passively is because they aren't here for the long run anyway. Pharmacy may not be a career, just a way to make some extra money on the side until family takes all priority.

Just sharing some thoughts that I've read and heard from my friends, many of which are female.
 
Don't forget the pharmacists that are brought here through a visa sponsored by their company. They are basically indentured servants for that period.
 
confettiflyer said:
I turned down offer #3, just couldn't do it. I need time to spend the money i make, damn it.
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Bragging about another per diem retail job? Nothing against you but 5 years ago it would have been a joke for someone who completed a residency and is doing retail. Things have certainly changed.

Nothing against retail but who would do a residency so he can work at CVS?
 
BMBiology said:
Bragging about another per diem retail job? Nothing against you but 5 years ago it would have been a joke for someone who completed a residency and is doing retail. Things have certainly changed.

Nothing against retail but who would do a residency so he can work at CVS?
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Good call! Only idiots would have invested such huge amount of time/training in residency and waste their knowledge to work for retails.
 
grumps said:
I don't care if I get flack for this and I wouldn't be surprised if I get support from the females, but one of the vectors that has absolutely lead to the crushing corporatizing destruction of the pharmacy work environment is the preponderance of females in what used to be a male dominated field. The female pysche is much more amenable to corporate culture and less inclined to push back.

Scan the rosters of your state boards. A good size sample will reveal that nearly all new RPhs are girls. Perhaps this might be a hope for us guys, b/c these girls are not going to grind for 20-30 years. By the end of the decade most of them will be gone. We just have to close down these schools and stop the flow of newly born corporate fodder.
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Amicable Angora said:
You remind me of an article, which I cannot find the link for it, which is a well written article that explains that women are not suitable to enter high stress, high management type of health professions like medicine or pharmacy. The major gist was the cost of education is subsidized by the nation, and ala to what you said, women work less hours and often drop off entirely if they marry, which screws over the profession and community they were supposed to serve.

I've also seen in the workplace (in other fields) the ones working absurdly long hours, staying up late, devoting themselves to the job, are usually all male. Perhaps an explanation for what you said about our females more amenable to corporate culture and just acting passively is because they aren't here for the long run anyway. Pharmacy may not be a career, just a way to make some extra money on the side until family takes all priority.

Just sharing some thoughts that I've read and heard from my friends, many of which are female.
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So, you're basically blaming females for the sole destruction of the "pharmacy work environment." I'm so sorry that the advanced healthcare field can't be a good old boys club anymore.

You ever thought that these women who aren't working absurdly long hours and devoting themselves to the job might actually be SMARTER for doing so? That they might be the ones taking care of their families while the fathers are dedicated to their jobs instead of their kids?

Not to sound like a "feminist bitch" or anything, but I'm seriously disgusted by some of the sexism that exists in medicine, even though people insist it's all a level playing field.
 
Actually a trend I noticed the last 10 years was that a newly minted female RPh flush with disposable income would get pregnant within a year, buy too much house, too much car and not bother to marry the sperm donor/boyfriend. You know what that means for the partner RPh? What a stressor it is to have a single mom as your partner? Everytime it's your turn for a 3 day weekend, only to have switch days around b/c grammy wants to see the bastard, or the kid is sick, or yadayadayada. It's like being married but getting no sugar, only the liabilities.
 
grumps said:
Actually a trend I noticed the last 10 years was that a newly minted female RPh flush with disposable income would get pregnant within a year, buy too much house, too much car and not bother to marry the sperm donor/boyfriend. You know what that means for the partner RPh? What a stressor it is to have a single mom as your partner? Everytime it's your turn for a 3 day weekend, only to have switch days around b/c grammy wants to see the bastard, or the kid is sick, or yadayadayada. It's like being married but getting no sugar, only the liabilities.
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I'm sure being a single mother with too many expenses was not the ideal plan for these women. But it's ideas like these that put women behind in the workforce, for no other reason than the fact that they're responsible for carrying and birthing children, and a lot of times raising them too. So what's next, male managers will stop hiring females because god forbid, they might have a baby and need a tiny bit of flexibility? But I'm tired of hearing sexist remarks that indicate how I might be treated when I'm working and at the point in my life where I'll have children.
 
BMBiology said:
Bragging about another per diem retail job? Nothing against you but 5 years ago it would have been a joke for someone who completed a residency and is doing retail. Things have certainly changed.

Nothing against retail but who would do a residency so he can work at CVS?
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I haven't set foot in a retail pharmacy as a non-civilian in ~5 years. Did you reply to the right person?
 
Buttermellow said:
I'm sure being a single mother with too many expenses was not the ideal plan for these women. But it's ideas like these that put women behind in the workforce, for no other reason than the fact that they're responsible for carrying and birthing children, and a lot of times raising them too. So what's next, male managers will stop hiring females because god forbid, they might have a baby and need a tiny bit of flexibility? But I'm tired of hearing sexist remarks that indicate how I might be treated when I'm working and at the point in my life where I'll have children.
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Aye, you've discovered the point of all this, to depress fertility. Also makes the banks and schools money in the meantime as many more women get into higher education, to pay pay pay!
 
confettiflyer said:
I haven't set foot in a retail pharmacy as a non-civilian in ~5 years. Did you reply to the right person?
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You were bragging about how the chains have been emailing you. I found it odd for someone who did a residency to brag about something so insignificant.
 
BMBiology said:
You were bragging about how the chains have been emailing you. I found it odd for someone who did a residency to brag about something so insignificant.
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I only vaguely remember confetti's post about this, but it's obvious that you missed the point he was trying to make.
 
BMBiology said:
You were bragging about how the chains have been emailing you. I found it odd for someone who did a residency to brag about something so insignificant.
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yeah they were emailing me, but that was a separate thought/thread...i was illustrating that chains were still hiring. all of my job offers were inpatient/acute care, i put in zero applications to retail places but am in contact with recruiters that place for both IP and OP, so I happily pass those along to my non-PGY1 friends.

In fact I'd probably be pretty non-functional in a retail pharmacy.

"OH MY GODZ WHY ARE WE DISPENSING THIRTY TABLETS?!?!?!?! JOINT COMMISSION IS GONNA NAIL US TO THE WALL!!"

something like that.
 
Buttermellow said:
Not to sound like a "feminist bitch" or anything, but I'm seriously disgusted by some of the sexism that exists in medicine, even though people insist it's all a level playing field.
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Don't worry, that post gave me the same reaction. I guess casual sexism is okay though. I wonder how it would have been received if he had instead mentioned those lazy minorities?
 
Is pharmacy an easy degree? Compared to engineering and hard sciences? Is that why there are so many women in the field?

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2013/10/they-even-got-vox.html

The one thing I did notice in pharmacy school was the guys rose to the top in the difficult courses, the courses that counted, not Sociological Foundations in Pharmacy for criminey sakes.
 
grumps said:
Is pharmacy an easy degree? Compared to engineering and hard sciences? Is that why there are so many women in the field?

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2013/10/they-even-got-vox.html

The one thing I did notice in pharmacy school was the guys rose to the top in the difficult courses, the courses that counted, not Sociological Foundations in Pharmacy for criminey sakes.
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I was under the impression women choose the field since traditionally it provides a flexible work schedule so that if they choose to bear children they can.
 
Jibby321 said:
I was under the impression women choose the field since traditionally it provides a flexible work schedule so that if they choose to bear children they can.
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It doesn't seem like that anymore when companies keep cutting staff and making the pharmacists work harder and longer.
 
stoichiometrist said:
It doesn't seem like that anymore when companies keep cutting staff and making the pharmacists work harder and longer.
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That's why I was careful with my words and said "traditionally"
 
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