How to be a good general neurologist?

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second year here, hating life. But now that I have been in my specialty for a while, I just realized how much there is to learn about everything - stroke, epilepsy, demyelinating diseases, neuromuscular, movement, etc etc. How is one supposed to be a good general neurologist? If I go into a subspecialty, I don't think I would find a job where I am solely focusing on what I want to do and have to also know how to manage everything else.

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There are going to be a lot of different opinions on this topic for sure, but I think it's an important conversation.

I believe the competent "general neurologist" is on its way to extinction. That being said, I am referring to general neurologists in the sense that they have been historically--primary outpatient general neurologists who can perhaps take care of 95% of patients that walk through the door throughout the course of their disease, whether it be MG, MS, PD, JME, IIH, ALS, DLB, etc. while being able to perform EMG, EEG, and Botox.

It is my opinion that the increasing complexity of hospital/emergency neurology along with "neurophobia" of hospital-based providers (along with increase in APPs) has led to a great need for around-the-clock inpatient neurology coverage. This has in turn led to limiting neurology resident exposure to outpatient neurology--even much of what has typically been considered "bread and butter". Unfortunately many residencies in existence today have severely limited outpatient neurology exposure, and you can graduate from many without any significant experience interpreting EMG/EEG. In tandem with severe limitation of outpatient exposure, the expansion of the range of diagnosable conditions and therapeutic options has worsened the problem. Most neurologists know about NMDA, but what about mGluR1 or KLHL11? Those are just a few of a ton of new antibody-associated disorders. Previously graduating neurologists could be competent with Copaxone, interferons, and a handful of AEDs, but now there are about 50 different medications for MS and epilepsy alone, most with unique side effects and varying degrees of required monitoring. Even the headache world has exploded with a wide array of therapeutic options.

That being said, I do believe it is still possible to be a competent "general neurologist" in the classical sense of the phrase (notice I am referring to a competent general neurologist rather than simply a practicing general neurologist that makes good money). I think there are some important prerequisites and required actions. I think you have to be adaptable, hard-working, and intelligent. I think you have to work hard in residency beyond what is required. If you don't complete residency at a place where you graduate with solid experience in EMG/EEG, you will need to do a fellowship or make the decision to refer out for EMG or EEG. With rare exceptions, I think that topping off residency training with additional fellowship training will best equip you to be a good outpatient general neurologist.
 
There are going to be a lot of different opinions on this topic for sure, but I think it's an important conversation.

I believe the competent "general neurologist" is on its way to extinction. That being said, I am referring to general neurologists in the sense that they have been historically--primary outpatient general neurologists who can perhaps take care of 95% of patients that walk through the door throughout the course of their disease, whether it be MG, MS, PD, JME, IIH, ALS, DLB, etc. while being able to perform EMG, EEG, and Botox.

It is my opinion that the increasing complexity of hospital/emergency neurology along with "neurophobia" of hospital-based providers (along with increase in APPs) has led to a great need for around-the-clock inpatient neurology coverage. This has in turn led to limiting neurology resident exposure to outpatient neurology--even much of what has typically been considered "bread and butter". Unfortunately many residencies in existence today have severely limited outpatient neurology exposure, and you can graduate from many without any significant experience interpreting EMG/EEG. In tandem with severe limitation of outpatient exposure, the expansion of the range of diagnosable conditions and therapeutic options has worsened the problem. Most neurologists know about NMDA, but what about mGluR1 or KLHL11? Those are just a few of a ton of new antibody-associated disorders. Previously graduating neurologists could be competent with Copaxone, interferons, and a handful of AEDs, but now there are about 50 different medications for MS and epilepsy alone, most with unique side effects and varying degrees of required monitoring. Even the headache world has exploded with a wide array of therapeutic options.

That being said, I do believe it is still possible to be a competent "general neurologist" in the classical sense of the phrase (notice I am referring to a competent general neurologist rather than simply a practicing general neurologist that makes good money). I think there are some important prerequisites and required actions. I think you have to be adaptable, hard-working, and intelligent. I think you have to work hard in residency beyond what is required. If you don't complete residency at a place where you graduate with solid experience in EMG/EEG, you will need to do a fellowship or make the decision to refer out for EMG or EEG. With rare exceptions, I think that topping off residency training with additional fellowship training will best equip you to be a good outpatient general neurologist.

Agree. Most people should do a fellowship of some kind if possible- EEG or EMG based for many but MS and movement are also very useful for an outpatient practice. Impossible to know everything at this point- which is why it is very important to know 80% of everything and have an initial outpatient and inpatient approach to every problem familiar. Also- applicants should take note of this and be asking programs how many EEGs and EMGs the typical graduate performs by the end of residency. Any program should teach you how to push tPA (god help you if they don't- ask typical tPA numbers too), but high level procedure exposure is very important, or at least the elective time to seek it out. Where I trained 200-500 routine EEGs, 50+ botox for migraine/occipital nerve blocks are typical numbers by finishing, but EMG training was almost non-existent.
 
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I am a PGY-4 and have yet to touch an EMG machine…

On the other hand, I probably have managed over a 1000 acute stroke cases. Very unbalanced training indeed.
 
I am a PGY-4 and have yet to touch an EMG machine…

On the other hand, I probably have managed over a 1000 acute stroke cases. Very unbalanced training indeed.
At my program EMG was optional. You could do 3 straight months as a PGY-4 and walk out with almost a mini-fellowship, or you could do absolutely none. My understanding is that this sort of thing is common, and programs advertise what you *can* be exposed to, not what you *will* be exposed to.
 
Hi

second year here, hating life. But now that I have been in my specialty for a while, I just realized how much there is to learn about everything - stroke, epilepsy, demyelinating diseases, neuromuscular, movement, etc etc. How is one supposed to be a good general neurologist? If I go into a subspecialty, I don't think I would find a job where I am solely focusing on what I want to do and have to also know how to manage everything else.
Trust the process. Pay your dues. Work hard-done take shortcuts, ask questions and read regularly. If you manage to finish residency and pass the boards without issues, most likely you will be good for a gen neurology practice. Most people go into independent jobs right after residency and do well. You also learn while on the job.
Its impossible to know everything, in fact Everything about even a single disease process. Once in practice, know how to handle most inpatient emergencies. Stay uptodate with major developments and know the basics of new drugs. And most importantly, when to ask for second opinion and refer to a sub-specialist.
 
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