How to comfort families after a death

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I am looking for some advice for what to say after a death of a loved one to family members, especially unexpected loss. Anyone have tips as medical students what we can say?

We have the unique ability to spend a lot of time with our patients and families, relative to the residents who are loaded with patients. We might know the patient and their family members better than some of the attendings or residents do. After getting to know the family and patients so well, how to we best help the family deal with the loss of the patient if things turn out badly?

Any advice or resources would be helpful, thanks in advance.

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I am looking for some advice for what to say after a death of a loved one to family members, especially unexpected loss. Anyone have tips as medical students what we can say?

We have the unique ability to spend a lot of time with our patients and families, relative to the residents who are loaded with patients. We might know the patient and their family members better than some of the attendings or residents do. After getting to know the family and patients so well, how to we best help the family deal with the loss of the patient if things turn out badly?

Any advice or resources would be helpful, thanks in advance.

Unfortunately, nothing you say will make a bad outcome better. Being sensitive towards the family is about as much as you can do. It seems like for the most part families need time alone to cope more than anything else.
 
This is a very hard topic for most physicians, and most families. Unexpected can mean anything from a healthy young person with a trauma to someone with a known pathology and a complication. I'm a neurosurgery resident and have to have these talks on an almost daily basis.

Two examples:
1) Trauma: Initially after examining the patient and reviewing associated studies, give the family a lay of the land. Use vague but descript terms that they suffered various injuries, are very sick right now, we will do everything we can, it is early to tell how they will do but with the severity of injury they may not make it. It is hard to do, but giving them the worst case scenario up front helps. Give them time to ask questions. It is impossible to place yourself in their position, acknowledge that. Update them as often as reasonably as possible on the current status of the patient. As things turn worse most families either accept or deny. In the former, some time with the family and the patient helps, listen to their stories if they want to share. In the latter, often the patient is coded, often multiple times, but inevitably do not make it. The information advantage as a doctor or nurse sometimes makes us cynical. Whenever you are talking to a family, forget about that. Just talk to them as people.

2) Complication: First, I say complication meaning unexpected death due to something unforeseen such as PE on a walking/talking patient on dvt ppx or massive hemorrhage on a patient with controlled sbp not on anticoagulation. These are never expected and take everyone by surprise. It's hard to say it, but people die. The hospital is supposed to be a safe place where this doesn't happen, but just as it happens at home, it happens in the hospital. I was walking in to work one morning and the wife of a patient was walking up the hall in tears, son and daughter in tow, and she saw me and broke down "He's dead!" I asked whatever she meant, and her husband had had a massive ICH overnight and died. She hugged me and said she knew we did everything we could. She had made him CMO instead of intubating him. The resident on overnight had done an amazing job of assessing the situation, ordering the appropriate tests, interpreting the results, and giving her the brass tacks.

While practice doesn't make perfect in these situations, it makes it less awkward. I agree, as medical students, you likely have more time to spend with families, but believe me, as residents we feel for the patients and families too.
 
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In my opinion, and I'm sure others will disagree, this is a time when the family is going to want to be with themselves. Offer them simple condolences and then allow them to move on as a family.

Survivor DO
 
In my opinion, and I'm sure others will disagree, this is a time when the family is going to want to be with themselves. Offer them simple condolences and then allow them to move on as a family.

Survivor DO

Bingo. The less you say the better.

Time is the only thing which is going to make it better. You gotta let them grieve. You can't talk them out of that.

Your job is to be there as a human and answer their medical questions.
 
Probably isn't our place as a medical student yet, but I noticed people have been saying "They want to be by themselves" and "Saying less is better, don't talk too much" .

Just wanted to point out that these aren't exactly the same thing. From talking to my family, I know patients/family definitely feel comforted by the presence of a physician (even for a few moments). Even if the physician isn't saying anything, but is instead just present so they know that even though things have gone bad, the physicians still care about them.

Granted this probably doesn't really apply to students, maybe more an issue as a resident.
 
That's what I thought. Then I had a resident, who I assumed didn't want to deal with it, make me go tell a patient's sister the patient would be gurney'd by with a breathing tube, nonresponsive. I was outraged by the experience because he was making me do it so he could cower away. If it were a learning point to "break bad news" fine... still wouldn't have been happy but to hide behind the medical student is ridiculous.

In retrospect, it was probably better because I spent significant time with that patient and the family so I was on the good side of the patient's sister. "Luckily" for me the location I was at had a closed ICU so we didn't continue care of the patient and I could defer to the ICU resident at the time.

As a fourth year, our school has us do a standardize patient module of breaking bad news. We attend a simulated/futile code and then have to break the bad news to the patient's family and friends. The SPs did a good job acting for us. Emotions ranged from somewhat sad to denial to anger.

If I learned one thing it would have to be I despise the term "passed away."
 
You can say, I am so sorry for your loss. Take some time and sit in silence. Put a hand on their hand if it seems appropriate. Offer a tissue. Listen.
 
couple things, first you should never be asked to inform family members of a patient's death as a medical student. Look concerned, comforting, talk with family members, but don't go into a room and say "oh they didn't make it.." etc cause family needs to have it spoken by a physician (preferably attending but it definitely gets done by residents).

your post makes me think you wanna hang around after family has been informed to comfort them, offer condolences, etc. Everything can have its place, but typically I wouldn't do this.

As a medical student you are a member of the medical staff and it's important that the role is defined. there probably isn't a lot you can say unless you personally know the family. If you had the patient 14 days in a row and have spoken to family multiple times, fine, however in my experience family just wants to hear the facts (in a kind way..) by the MD who answers any questions, offers condolences, squeezes a hand or two, and then walks out of the room leaving pastoral staff to do their jobs. You do more good by referring the family to supportive services(offered in most hospitals) than by trying to talk to them after the fact imo. Most of the time family need a moment together after such an event to process and after you do your MD talk you're not really contributing to the grieving process imo.
 
couple things, first you should never be asked to inform family members of a patient's death as a medical student. Look concerned, comforting, talk with family members, but don't go into a room and say "oh they didn't make it.." etc cause family needs to have it spoken by a physician (preferably attending but it definitely gets done by residents).

your post makes me think you wanna hang around after family has been informed to comfort them, offer condolences, etc. Everything can have its place, but typically I wouldn't do this.

As a medical student you are a member of the medical staff and it's important that the role is defined. there probably isn't a lot you can say unless you personally know the family. If you had the patient 14 days in a row and have spoken to family multiple times, fine, however in my experience family just wants to hear the facts (in a kind way..) by the MD who answers any questions, offers condolences, squeezes a hand or two, and then walks out of the room leaving pastoral staff to do their jobs. You do more good by referring the family to supportive services(offered in most hospitals) than by trying to talk to them after the fact imo. Most of the time family need a moment together after such an event to process and after you do your MD talk you're not really contributing to the grieving process imo.

I hope to not be the person who breaks the news as a medical student. I just think it is appropriate to say something if the family has been around for a week or two and I had numerous contacts with them every one of those days.

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.
 
Hey all, this article outlines the SPIKES protocol, which is a commonly used approach for breaking bad news to patients (such as disclosing a terminal diagnosis). The key is to appropriately prepare the patient and family and to gauge their interest in learning the full details about the patient's condition. Some of these skills can only be gained by sitting in on meetings with more experienced clinicians, but there are also some systematic approaches to breaking bad news.

http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/5/4/302.full.pdf+html
 
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