howard : will these #'s do
Started by marley76
marley76 said:
I hate how everyone who sees Howard and Meharry's DAT and GPA numbers automatically thinks that they are safety schools. They are looking for minorities who focus on community service. There is a reason that 80%+ of their class if african american; they are looking for a particular kind of applicant. If that isn't you, then focus on other schools.
oldboy said:
listen jackoff, i asked a very simple question... it just so happens that my intentions are to apply to howard so that i can get the training necessary to help those who are underserved! it's not a back-up, it is the only school i'm applying to....*******! if you can't answer the question, don't reply.....*******!
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marley76 said:
isn't the training that you need to help the underserved the same training that you use to treat everyone else?
original poster... you were a real jerk to the guy who responded.
essentially, if you aren't black, you don't have an ice cube's chance in hell of getting into howard. that's the truth. if you are black, and you do at least moderately well on your DAT, you will be competitive at howard and meharry.
essentially, if you aren't black, you don't have an ice cube's chance in hell of getting into howard. that's the truth. if you are black, and you do at least moderately well on your DAT, you will be competitive at howard and meharry.
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Basically, dont underestimate Howard. Your GPA isn't that great and if your not a minority than your chances are even less. But you still haven't taken your DAT, so anything can happen, but don't expect an interview with anything less than a 19AA/18PAT.
marley76 said:
It doesn't really matter what your stat is since they focus on community services and your experiences much more than the numbers. I was accepted and I was never asked about my grades during my interview and most of the questions revolves around personal experiences and dental shadowing. I am not a minority, my gpa is not that great, and my dat is around 20+, and about 50% of the people during my interview were not minority, so if you are really interested, apply away!
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marley76 said:
You are a douche bag. Apply to hygiene school.
lol. so mean.... i hope OP doesnt turn into those dentists who throw whatever theyre holding at their assistants.LSR1979 said:
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marley76 said:
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What do you think gives you the right to respond like this?
If anyone is jackoff its you. He's trying to give you some insight into their school's 'policy'. Grow up!! Not everyone is going to tell you what you want to hear and that kind of response is rarely justified. Grow UP!
Keep the comments professional and the playground politics out of the forums.
ledmirage said:
Do you ming me asking what kind of volunteer work and other experiences you had on your application when you applied to Howard? Also did you get accepted? I am just trying to make a comparison to my application. I have a lot of extracurricular activities and experience and want to see if my application is atleast par in that category because my DAT wasn't great; just average
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my science and overall GPA is a 3.62 and i got rejected from Howard and I have a lot of activities along with assisting hours. I got the letter today! I'm not sad... just thought it was funny b/c i thought that was my safety school based on its average GPA.... boy was i wrong! thank god I got into BU! 
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grant555
There is no such thing as a safety school when it comes to dental school or any professional school for that matter. There are so many folks both black and white who thought they were locks to get in Howard that did not, but there are classmates of mine with 3.9 gpas and high DAT scores and some with lower scores.
No dental school has a straight up and down formula for admittance or success, and anyone who says so is either lying or not informed.
In my opinion, there is but one certainty when it comes to numbers and dental school: the numbers you have don't always translate to success in admissions or in dental school itself.
It just doesn't.
No dental school has a straight up and down formula for admittance or success, and anyone who says so is either lying or not informed.
In my opinion, there is but one certainty when it comes to numbers and dental school: the numbers you have don't always translate to success in admissions or in dental school itself.
It just doesn't.
Yes I was accepted. I am a non traditional student with a 2-year masters. I have couple years of work experience, researched at ucsf and my masters institution and did dental assisting for over a year now after quitting my job(still doing it) So I would say my experience should sufficiently demonstrated my determination. I wished I was admitted to BU like galangyu did (my brother is in BU med now) but i was waitlisted there.. still waiting for the good news.
RozhonDDS said:
galangvu said:my science and overall GPA is a 3.62 and i got rejected from Howard and I have a lot of activities along with assisting hours. I got the letter today! I'm not sad... just thought it was funny b/c i thought that was my safety school based on its average GPA.... boy was i wrong! thank god I got into BU!
The really nice thing about howard is when you get the rejection letter they put lame stuff on there why you were not accepted.
Example: you need at least a 17aa in order to be considered. Last time I checked a 19 was greater than a 17. Maybe howards on a different numerical scale. Maybe the lower your dat the higher your chances.... I just don't know. 👍
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I won't blindly support anything any school does. You are correct Hockey in that reject letter should change among other things.
Why they would put discrepancies in a response such as that I do not know, nor does it make any sense.
Why they would put discrepancies in a response such as that I do not know, nor does it make any sense.
RozhonDDS said:
That is completely untrue. I was interviewed at howard and my DAT scores were less than 19AA/18PAT. Marley.. if you want to apply to Howard, then apply to Howard and strive to do really well on your DAT. I think Howard is a tad bit unorganized though...I was interviewed at the end of April, which is very late and then was denied admission because of lack of space. I am reapplying for 2007 and am not applying to Howard again. To make a long story short... Howard isnt as strict on gpa and dat scores as other schools are.. they are looking for the "complete package." do a lot of community service, write a kick-ass essay, have really good LORs, and get a great score on the DAT, and most importantly, APPLY EARLY!! if you do those things, you will have a good shot @ Howard.
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KOM said:
Actually, they don't need to justify their preference towards minorities because that is why it is called an HBCU. As far as higher credentials, there are ****loads of my classmates with 3.7-4.0 and high DAT scores who are here; many more than you would know.
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grant555 said:
That's odd because their average DAT is 16AA and 15PAT, that means if some kids are in there with low 20's than some kids are also in there with 14 AA averages. They must really look at the whole package which in my opinion is pretty cool. From the last cycle their DAT numbers went up one in the AA portion and down 1 in the PAT portion. So who knows.
grant555 said:
I don't see how that is possible. A few yes, but ****loads, not likely. With an average DAT of 16 and GPA around 3.0 there is no way that there are lots of 3.7-4.0 GPA and high DAT scores. If that is true, than there must be a lot of sub 3.0 and sub 16 DAT students, which is kind of screwed up considering the scope of the curriculum and levity of the healthcare being supplied to patients. Don't exaggerate so much, even NYU has significantly higher stats. And to the idea that there is some kind of preference to minorites: don't deny it, because otherwise the student body wouldn't be 80%+ african american. There are no other d-schools that have such a high proportion of one race than Howard or Meharry. In the end though, they are private schools and they can do whatever they want, within the law.
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See below.
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Who denied a preference to minorities? That is what an HBCU is, so of course being the only 2 out of 54 dental schools being HBCU's, they are going to be more minorities.
No where in the statement did I deny a preference to minorities. In fact, I defined it.
If you don't care to believe what I am telling you, then don't. What reason do I have to lie to you? I'm not getting paid to make these statements.
No where in the statement did I deny a preference to minorities. In fact, I defined it.
If you don't care to believe what I am telling you, then don't. What reason do I have to lie to you? I'm not getting paid to make these statements.
deejay said:
hahaha. that's funny.
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RozhonDDS said:
As far as I can tell, this is probably the best surmize of how they compile the classes. The scores run the range from high, middle, and lower. I've heard more than one administrator admit that is the preferred way the classes are compiled. The ironic thing is that a high gpa and dat doesn't always lead to automatic success.
Ask anyone this at any dental school.
Even though initially I did plan to apply to those schools, now I don't plan on applying to Howard or Meharry (well not after I read about their selection process from these forums...), I do question the integrity of the program because of the stats that they do publish (16 AA?! 3.0?!). I understand the need to have minorities and I do feel that many people who have higher GPAs help out in the community, but not to the point where their grades are compromised.
But a GPA is indicticative of an applicant's ability to handle a stressful learning environment. Admit it people, university is one big competition. I know if I do apply to Howard, if I get rejected on the basis that I'm asian (I doubt it will be because of my "stats")... and I'm accepting of that fact, but it's still not really right. But I think from the recent posts, we can all agree that private schools usually want to portray a certain image (i.e. Loma Linda!!!!). Although in my mind, grades are generally reflective of what a person is capable of. I feel that a person with a 3.5 proved they can handle a structured curriculum moreso than a 3.0 guy since the 3.5 person PROVED that they succeeded.
But a GPA is indicticative of an applicant's ability to handle a stressful learning environment. Admit it people, university is one big competition. I know if I do apply to Howard, if I get rejected on the basis that I'm asian (I doubt it will be because of my "stats")... and I'm accepting of that fact, but it's still not really right. But I think from the recent posts, we can all agree that private schools usually want to portray a certain image (i.e. Loma Linda!!!!). Although in my mind, grades are generally reflective of what a person is capable of. I feel that a person with a 3.5 proved they can handle a structured curriculum moreso than a 3.0 guy since the 3.5 person PROVED that they succeeded.
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grant555
I agree with most of what you have said, but believe me when I tell you that there are loads of folks who go into dental school with above averages stats and don't even come close to achieiving that success level in dental school, and not just at Howard.
Undergrad scores don't guarantee anything in a dental curriculum. Undergrad numbers help you gain admission, but don't always translate into success in dental school.
Not applying to Howard b/c you are Asian is doing yourself a disservice. In my class alone, there are 7 Asians, but it sounds as if your mind is made up.
All the best to you.
Undergrad scores don't guarantee anything in a dental curriculum. Undergrad numbers help you gain admission, but don't always translate into success in dental school.
Not applying to Howard b/c you are Asian is doing yourself a disservice. In my class alone, there are 7 Asians, but it sounds as if your mind is made up.
All the best to you.
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