I am the bottom of the barrel...please advise

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Just looking over my application for intern/residency. What a bottom feeder. My grades suck, I just passed my USMLE and COMLEX by the skin of my teeth. I am not a member of any club, never published, no fellowship AND..I failed anatomy and went to the 5 year track.

Im a nontraditional student at 35 I was a paramedic/nurse/firefighter in my previous life. Am I going to go back to putting out fires for a living with 200K debt?

amysdad
 
amysdad said:
Just looking over my application for intern/residency. What a bottom feeder. My grades suck, I just passed my USMLE and COMLEX by the skin of my teeth. I am not a member of any club, never published, no fellowship AND..I failed anatomy and went to the 5 year track.

Im a nontraditional student at 35 I was a paramedic/nurse/firefighter in my previous life. Am I going to go back to putting out fires for a living with 200K debt?

amysdad

What school do you attend? What type of medicine would you like to practice? Are you applying to family practice? Did you apply early? Have you gotten any invites yet? If I were you I would apply wide to FP (or internal med) along with some other speciality if so inclined. Remember, medicine is much more than grades and class rank and clubs. It really is about helping people and reaching out to your fellow man.....this is what is truly important. And congrats on becoming a doc, despite how these boards may make you feel sometimes, you have accomplished a wonderful and noble thing. Now get out there and make a difference.
 
amysdad said:
Just looking over my application for intern/residency. What a bottom feeder. My grades suck, I just passed my USMLE and COMLEX by the skin of my teeth. I am not a member of any club, never published, no fellowship AND..I failed anatomy and went to the 5 year track.

Im a nontraditional student at 35 I was a paramedic/nurse/firefighter in my previous life. Am I going to go back to putting out fires for a living with 200K debt?

amysdad

It obviously depends what you want to go into. If you are putting all you eggs into Rad/onc, plastics, or derm than all I can say is good luck. However, from what I have read, you should have no problems matching into FP, internal or many of the other "uncompetative" residencies. Many of the programs simply dont fill so warm bodies welcome.

Other question is human element. Are you creepy or scary? Do people like you? Many programs don't put a minimum score for giving out interviews so as long as your LORs are strong and you don't come across as strange than you will likely match. Hell, you may match regardless. I've meet some pretty scary residents.
 
FP in a unpopular location or prelim surgery all the way!
 
Sucks to hear you sounding so down. You sound like you have a lot more to talk about then coming out of college and frat parties to go to medicine to score chicks. Play up what is good on you app (i.e. life experiences and motivation to go into medicine). Like the other posts said, if you are a cool person and get along with people, you should have no problem.

People need doctors... and they don't care if you didn't publish or finished school in 10 years. That is the last thing on people's minds when they are sick and need help.

Good luck!
 
amysdad said:
Im a nontraditional student at 35 I was a paramedic/nurse/firefighter in my previous life. Am I going to go back to putting out fires for a living with 200K debt?

No. There are jobs out there for all of us. Much as we like to moan about falling earnings in medicine, the truth is that by any real standard the worst off doctors are actually quite comfortable. Sure, Neurosurge or ortho are not in your future, but there's plenty of interesting work out there for you. Good luck.
 
Heme/Onc said:
What school do you attend? What type of medicine would you like to practice? Are you applying to family practice? Did you apply early? Have you gotten any invites yet? If I were you I would apply wide to FP (or internal med) along with some other speciality if so inclined. Remember, medicine is much more than grades and class rank and clubs. It really is about helping people and reaching out to your fellow man.....this is what is truly important. And congrats on becoming a doc, despite how these boards may make you feel sometimes, you have accomplished a wonderful and noble thing. Now get out there and make a difference.

I resent that you think FP is easier....

FP may be easier to get into and it may be an easier lifestyle in the end but I would venture to say that is one of the more difficult fields in residency. There is an absolute immense amount of material you need to know and understand.

FP's need to know more drugs, more treatments, understand more diseases and disease states, and most importantly learn how to interact with a much greater variety of patient populations than most other fields.
 
texdrake said:
I resent that you think FP is easier....

FP may be easier to get into and it may be an easier lifestyle in the end but I would venture to say that is one of the more difficult fields in residency. There is an absolute immense amount of material you need to know and understand.

FP's need to know more drugs, more treatments, understand more diseases and disease states, and most importantly learn how to interact with a much greater variety of patient populations than most other fields.

This is what I find so "ironical" (as W. might say). The resume stars are all tripping over each other to get into fields like interventional radiology, radiation oncology, dermatology, radiology, ENT, urology, etc. which have a very focused knowledge base and are probably less 'difficult' to master than a broad based general field like family practice, which I think is too broad a field for my personality profile. Just my $0.02.
 
I am sorry if I offended anyone. I don't think FP is easy by any stretch of the imagination, in fact, I have the utmost respect for primary care doctors. What I meant is that programs such as FP and Internal Med (which I am going into) seem to look beyond grades and boards. No harm meant, please accept my apology.
 
amysdad said:
Just looking over my application for intern/residency. What a bottom feeder. My grades suck, I just passed my USMLE and COMLEX by the skin of my teeth. I am not a member of any club, never published, no fellowship AND..I failed anatomy and went to the 5 year track.

Im a nontraditional student at 35 I was a paramedic/nurse/firefighter in my previous life. Am I going to go back to putting out fires for a living with 200K debt?

amysdad

With your background you should have a great personal statement. And you will get a good residency don't worry. It is all about your performance on the wards. People fail the boards and still get decent residencies.
 
amysdad said:
Just looking over my application for intern/residency. What a bottom feeder. My grades suck, I just passed my USMLE and COMLEX by the skin of my teeth. I am not a member of any club, never published, no fellowship AND..I failed anatomy and went to the 5 year track.

Im a nontraditional student at 35 I was a paramedic/nurse/firefighter in my previous life. Am I going to go back to putting out fires for a living with 200K debt?

amysdad



Welcome to my world...sort of. I never failed anything, got respectable but not stupendous scores on Step 1 and 2, but somehow found myself in the bottom ten percent of my class. I was a totally undistinguished medical student and it is only through force of character, an interesting resume, and a little luck that I have gotten a few early interviews for this year's match and hope to get more.

After failing to match, I scrambled into a Primary Care program at a very prestigious program.

This shows you two things. First, anybody can match into some program unless you beat a handicapped, gay, african-American, HIV positive, lesbian to death with a baby seal which you then ate deep-fried while smoking an unfiltered cigarette after which you used a Koran for a napkin. And then they would have to catch you on tape to absolutely prevent you from matching.

Second, Some Primary Care program will take you as many Primary Care programs have to reach deep into the barrel if they want to fill including reaching way, way, down for FMGs from the third world. (Although to be fair many FMGs are excellent physicians and are fighting what some would call an unfair bias against them.)

So buck up. You will match.

Also, even though I am trying to switch specialties, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with my current specialty. You can make a good but not extravagant living at it, certainly more than you will make at almost any other real job.

Investment banking blah blah marketing blah blah law law blah. Sure, some in these fields make "six figures" but this is uncommon. Every physician in any specialty starts at "six figures" so you might as well stick it out if for no other reason than you will eventually do all right.

Not to mention the intangibles of medicine, those special times in intern year when you rise above the incredible volume of paperwork and actually treat a patient and make a difference in their health. These moments are, I assure you, few and far between (at least so far at my program).

But if you really don't want to match into the specialties in which you have a decent chance (FP, Internal Medcine, Psychiatry, pediatrics) then maybe you should go back to a career you enjoy. Money is important, of course, but working at a job you hate is probably worse than paying back a 200K debt.

Believe me, I have a previous profession which at the high end makes about what the low-end Primary Care physician makes so I thought long and hard about going back to it after I failed to match into the specialty I wanted. The only things that stopped me were first that I like medicine and second that it is pretty hard to make the "high end salary" especially after a four year hiatus during which time I lost all of my contacts and fell out of the network.

If it were as easy as going back and making the "high end" I probably would have, with regrets, cut my losses and switched back. Realistically I probably could have gone back but probably started at a salary only slightly better than I now make as a resident with a "cap" considerably less than I will make in three years if I stick it out.

I am venting a little here. And I hate to sound crass. But that's the way it is. PM me if you want some more bad advice.
 
amysdad said:
Just looking over my application for intern/residency. What a bottom feeder. My grades suck, I just passed my USMLE and COMLEX by the skin of my teeth. I am not a member of any club, never published, no fellowship AND..I failed anatomy and went to the 5 year track.

Im a nontraditional student at 35 I was a paramedic/nurse/firefighter in my previous life. Am I going to go back to putting out fires for a living with 200K debt?

amysdad

Hi there,
There are far more Family Medicine positions than applicants so you can likely match into Family Medicine even if you struggled a bit with medical school. Internal Medicine, Psychiatry or Peds in a less competitive program may be an option for you also as many of these positions go unfilled. You may have a bit of trouble getting into EM, OB-Gyn, categorical General Surgery or anesthesia but you could look into matching into preliminary General Surgery or Internal Medicine, do extremely well and go back into the match next year with good evaluations and a strong clinical record and you might snag a match in EM, OB-Gyn, categorical General Surgery or anesthesia.

If you think that Family Medicine is a fate worse than death then consider that some Family Medicine groups are willing to pay off loans for good people who join their practices because FMs are in demand now in some areas of the country. You can also do fellowships in Sports Medicine or Geriatrics after residency in Family Medicine so you have some options there. If you wish to fight fires after medical school, then do so but even if you graduate at the very bottom of your class, you can match into a residency somewhere.

Medical school gives you options but it is up to you to exercise them. Good luck!

njbmd 🙂
 
Our class was told about a grad in the last 3-4 years who didn't apply to any programs. He waited until scramble day, and scrambled into a FP slot at a good program... and bragged about saving a ton of money and actually having vacation time 4th year instead of "interview time".
 
cyanocobalamin said:
This is what I find so "ironical" (as W. might say). The resume stars are all tripping over each other to get into fields like interventional radiology, radiation oncology, dermatology, radiology, ENT, urology, etc. which have a very focused knowledge base and are probably less 'difficult' to master than a broad based general field like family practice, which I think is too broad a field for my personality profile. Just my $0.02.

:laugh:

Radiology....focused knowledge base, less difficult? What have you been smoking?

Drop the crackpipe.

Ask anyone about the "knowledge base" of radiologists. They have a greater broader knowledge base than almost any other speciality since they read film from every department in the hospital, and must spit out pathophysiology and corresponding differential diagnosis.
 
p53 said:
:laugh:

Radiology....focused knowledge base, less difficult? What have you been smoking?

Drop the crackpipe.

Ask anyone about the "knowledge base" of radiologists. They have a greater broader knowledge base than almost any other speciality since they read film from every department in the hospital, and must spit out pathophysiology and corresponding differential diagnosis.


..... 😱 And what exactly does this post have to do with anything?


I think you will do fine based on your life experiences to apply to your first choice first. You can always round out your ROL with less desirable residency programs, but you would be selling yourself short if that is not what you want for yourself, or for your family.

As long as you get an interview and you show yourself to be a decent person, you will do well and you will match. Especially in programs like EM for example, if you volunteer your time to spend a day (at least) at a program and precept and show your skills, you will be noticed. It is so rare to find a 4th year with that kind of initiative. Three days would be even better, and an elective rotation of course is the best.

Spending time at a program and showing your knowledge says a lot more than how you look on paper.
 
My guess is that if you are 35 with kids etc. You don't want to do more than a 3 to 4 year residency.

I don't want you to think that some guy in derm or radiology or ortho is smarter. I don't think they are. (guys I'm not putting those specialties down, I'm just saying I don't think you have to be smarter to get into them, maybe better board score, better test taker etc.)

Now to the point.

Since those are more competitive, you may want to consider FP, IM, PM&R, Anesthesiology. Although I think Anesthesiology is now more competitive since they raised their salary.

You can do many things with FP. I know many FP's that make 200 K+ per year and have a normal lifestyle. Normal as far as a doctors lifestyle goes.

As far as research goes, research is not what makes a good doctor.

Just apply, be confident and you will get a slot. If not, scramble. If not call all the open residencies after the scramble and get in.

When I was a resident, there was a guy that did an observership in our residency. He was an orthopedic surgeon in his country, but had not practiced in years. Instead he was teaching anatomy at a local college.

He took his USMLE 1 and 2 passed and was thinking about FP. Anyway, he ended up matching in PM&R because it was more his style. He had not practiced for several years.

Good luck.
 
A. Melanoleuca said:
First, anybody can match into some program unless you beat a handicapped, gay, african-American, HIV positive, lesbian to death with a baby seal which you then ate deep-fried while smoking an unfiltered cigarette after which you used a Koran for a napkin. And then they would have to catch you on tape to absolutely prevent you from matching.


GREAT!!!! There go my chances of matching!!!!!!!! 🙂 😉 :laugh: 😍
 
If money is important to you I would definitely give anesthesia a shot. It's probably the least competitive of the "high-paying" medical fields and just about any US graduate should be able to match somewhere.
 
Like they said: IM, Peds, Anes, PMR, FM, Psych, Neuro will be very doable. You may not get your first choice (but then again, you may). More competative specialties might be more difficult, but you can often change once you match somewhere.
 
I've seen a lot of people worrying abuot the match, but I've also met lots of residents that with their track record should NOT have matched - and they did. I'm sure you will get into some program and don't give up faith! I'm sure it will happen for you, not everyone can be top of the barrel thats why they have the minimums! Some people HAVE to be minimum, but they are all jsut as important as those in the middle and on the top.

Good luck I'll say a prayer for you 🙂~

:luck: :luck: :luck: :luck:
 
Remember the old saying:

C = M.D.
-or-
Pass = M.D.
 
MechE said:
Remember the old saying:

C = M.D.
-or-
Pass = M.D.

👍 👍 👍 👍
 
MechE said:
Remember the old saying:

C = M.D.
-or-
Pass = M.D.

You're right about that being the old saying.

That new saying is P = FP
 
Chief Resident said:
You're right about that being the old saying.

That new saying is P = FP

Yeah. Why don't you just give me paper cuts and squeeze lemon juice in 'em.
 
Chief Resident said:
You're right about that being the old saying.

That new saying is P = FP


That's not nice chief resident, say something positive for encouragement would ya? sheesh, you're always so negative! 👎
 
Poety said:
That's not nice chief resident, say something positive for encouragement would ya? sheesh, you're always so negative! 👎


Unfortunately, he's essentially correct. However, you can also get a decent Internal Medicine residency with only average grades and scores. IM is not a bad field or a bad career move as it is the backbone of medicine and is the entre to a host of subspecialties.
 
A. Melanoleuca said:
Unfortunately, he's essentially correct. However, you can also get a decent Internal Medicine residency with only average grades and scores. IM is not a bad field or a bad career move as it is the backbone of medicine and is the entre to a host of subspecialties.

Not even close. There are a whole slew of residencies you can get with average grades and scores.
 
skypilot said:
Not even close. There are a whole slew of residencies you can get with average grades and scores.


I absolutely agree with this statement - and if you even take the time to get to know some PD's in whatever you are looking to go into, you can significantly enhance your chances of matching - I've known people that even did a sub-i (additional one) or elective DURING interview season to help them get spots - its not unheard of or undoable.

If you don't match you can either scramble or wait until next year and spend some time doing research etc, at the place you'd like to go - or you can scramble into something that you dont want for the year and switch into a pgy-2 position - it really should be ok overall.

I wish you the best! :luck: :luck: :luck:
 
skypilot said:
Not even close. There are a whole slew of residencies you can get with average grades and scores.

If by "whole slew" you mean family med, internal med, psych, PM&R and pediatrics then I agree.

Disclaimer: I didn't count big time butt kissing and sexual favors as part of the equation, as people could score a Derm residency even if they had average stats but made up for it in those areas. 😉
 
Chief Resident said:
If by "whole slew" you mean family med, internal med, psych, PM&R and pediatrics then I agree.

Disclaimer: I didn't count big time butt kissing and sexual favors as part of the equation, as people could score a Derm residency even if they had average stats but made up for it in those areas. 😉


chief you're rotten, and what year are you anyway? ms2 or 3? I'm asking becaue I see you posting all over, I can't figure it out 😀
 
Apply to what ever specialty you want to do. Aim high. If you want primary care go for it. If you do not want to practice primary care do not apply to primary care specialties.

(P = Physician)

CambieMD
 
Chief Resident said:
If by "whole slew" you mean family med, internal med, psych, PM&R and pediatrics then I agree.

There are other residencies possible, but even those you listed open up a whole slew of career possibilities:

Aerospace Medicine Allergy and Immunology
General Preventive Medicine
Critical Care Medicine
Rehabilitation
Medical Genetics Neurology
Occupational Medicine
Preventive Medicine Addiction Psychiatry (P)
Adolescent Medicine (PD) Blood Banking/Transfusion Medicine (PTH)
Cardiovascular Disease (IM) Child Neurology (N) Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (P) Clinical Cardiac Electrophysiology (IM) Clinical Neurophysiology (N) Critical Care Medicine (IM) Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Metabolism (IM)
Forensic Psychiatry (P) Gastroenterology (IM)
Geriatric Medicine (FM) Geriatric Psychiatry (P) Hematology (IM)
Hematology and Oncology (IM) Infectious Disease (IM)
Interventional Cardiology (IM) Nephrology (IM) Pediatric Cardiology (PD) Pediatric Critical Care Medicine (PD) Pediatric Emergency Medicine (PD)
Pediatric Endocrinology (PD) Pediatric Gastroenterology (PD)
Pediatric Hematology/Oncology (PD) Pediatric Infectious Diseases (PD)
Pediatric Nephrology (PD) Pediatric Pulmonology (PD) Pediatric Rehabilitation Medicine (PM) Pediatric Rheumatology (PD)
Pediatric Sports Medicine (PD) Pulmonary Disease (IM)
Pulmonary Disease and Critical Care Medicine (IM) Rheumatology (IM)
Spinal Cord Injury Medicine (PM) Sports Medicine (FM)
 
Chief Resident said:
If by "whole slew" you mean family med, internal med, psych, PM&R and pediatrics then I agree.

Disclaimer: I didn't count big time butt kissing and sexual favors as part of the equation, as people could score a Derm residency even if they had average stats but made up for it in those areas. 😉



Chief, what is wrong with you? Your insecurities are glaringly obvious. Please try and redirect all of your harsh crticism of others into making yourself a decent human being. I bet you wouldn't say half of what you do to my face............quite frankly you are a coward who hides behind a machine.
 
Heme/Onc said:
Chief, what is wrong with you? Your insecurities are glaringly obvious. Please try and redirect all of your harsh crticism of others into making yourself a decent human being. I bet you wouldn't say half of what you do to my face............quite frankly you are a coward who hides behind a machine.
Actually he's a coward who has been banned. 👍
 
fuegorama said:
Actually he's a coward who has been banned. 👍


Folks, there are exceptions to everything. I hope, myself, to rise above mediocre grades and match into a somewhat competative specialty this March. I sure as hell didn't last year.

The point is that while Chief Resident may be a little abrasive, some specialties are just not as competative as others. I was competative for Duke Family Medicine (shut up) but I probably wouldn't have even been interviewed at any other program here. That's just the way it is.

Other factors may come into play for matching but grades and Step scores are a major factor at almost every program. This should be obvious but all other things being equal, the feller with the best grades is going to match and will push the feller with the lower grades out of that spot.
 
A. Melanoleuca said:
Folks, there are exceptions to everything. I hope, myself, to rise above mediocre grades and match into a somewhat competative specialty this March. I sure as hell didn't last year.

The point is that while Chief Resident may be a little abrasive, some specialties are just not as competative as others. I was competative for Duke Family Medicine (shut up) but I probably wouldn't have even been interviewed at any other program here. That's just the way it is.

Other factors may come into play for matching but grades and Step scores are a major factor at almost every program. This should be obvious but all other things being equal, the feller with the best grades is going to match and will push the feller with the lower grades out of that spot.


Hi A.Mel, also, research experience, life experience, commitment to patients and drive are VERY IMPORTANT in residency - I think dedication speaks the most, not necessarily grades once you get the interview would you agree?
 
A. Melanoleuca said:
Folks, there are exceptions to everything. I hope, myself, to rise above mediocre grades and match into a somewhat competative specialty this March. I sure as hell didn't last year.

The point is that while Chief Resident may be a little abrasive, some specialties are just not as competative as others. I was competative for Duke Family Medicine (shut up) but I probably wouldn't have even been interviewed at any other program here. That's just the way it is.

Other factors may come into play for matching but grades and Step scores are a major factor at almost every program. This should be obvious but all other things being equal, the feller with the best grades is going to match and will push the feller with the lower grades out of that spot.

I think you have a point but there are always exceptions and programs that look at other factors. But I really find Chief's past and present comments to be problematic (not just this last one).

On a different note, you try as hard as you can regardless of the cards you are dealt....that way you can at least say you tried. There are probably more variables that are equally as important that we dont' lend credence to in this whole process. These boards should be uplifting but also realistic.
 
Heme/Onc said:
I think you have a point but there are always exceptions and programs that look at other factors. But I really find Chief's past and present comments to be problematic (not just this last one).

On a different note, you try as hard as you can regardless of the cards you are dealt....that way you can at least say you tried. There are probably more variables that are equally as important that we dont' lend credence to in this whole process. These boards should be uplifting but also realistic.


well said - what I meant to say in fact :laugh: edit my above post and insert this one, this what i said in my head 😛
 
skypilot said:
Take a look at these unfilled programs from the 2005 match. Maybe you can use the list to round out your application and ensure a match.

http://www.scutwork.com/other/match2005/UnfilledProg2005.pdf

Can someone explain this to me, please.

What does it mean, for example, that a dermatology program at northwestern was unfilled (or, any other supposedly competitive program). I can't imagine that only 3 people applied and those 3 were taken. Or is it that the program had many applicants and thought that only those 3 were a suitable fit?

Someone please explain what it means when a competitive program doesn't fill, WHY/how does this happen?
 
beastmaster said:
Can someone explain this to me, please.

What does it mean, for example, that a dermatology program at northwestern was unfilled (or, any other supposedly competitive program). I can't imagine that only 3 people applied and those 3 were taken. Or is it that the program had many applicants and thought that only those 3 were a suitable fit?

Someone please explain what it means when a competitive program doesn't fill, WHY/how does this happen?

Some of the programs are mysterious. Maybe they withdrew the spots from the match at the last moment due to backdoor deals or maybe they filled them in the scramble?

But if you want internal med apply to this program from the list!


BERKSHIRE MED CTR-MA
Tel: (413)447-2849 1281140C0* Quota: 10 Matched: 0

If you want general surgery apply to this program with zero matches!

EXEMPLA ST JOSEPH HOSP-CO
Tel: (303)837-7295 1074440P0 Quota: 9 Matched 0
Email: [email protected]
Fax: (303)866-8044
 
CambieMD said:
Apply to what ever specialty you want to do. Aim high. If you want primary care go for it. If you do not want to practice primary care do not apply to primary care specialties.

(P = Physician)

CambieMD
Word.

Decide what you want, and go for it. Don't let your self-doubt dictate your goals. Almost everyone questions his/her matchability at some point - if the match is good for anything, it's wrecking our confidence and reducing us to puddles of anxiety. Remember, you do not equal your grades or scores. You are a package person. There are so many variables - your letters of rec, your personality, your experiences during med school and prior to med school, how well you clique with your interviewers, whether you "fit in" with a particular program, what school you're coming from (if you are at a top school then "bottom of the barrel" is a very relative term), I could go on and on.

Worst-case scenario? You don't match, and you try again the next year, meanwhile doing some research or something else cool to boost your application. I've seen people do it, and they turn out just fine. Not matching is this nightmarish fear that so many 4th-years have, but it's really not the end of the world, it's just a detour. I realize that's easy for me to say, since I did match - but seriously, it's not like it represents failure as a human being or anything (nor does barely passing the USMLE or being at the bottom of your class).
 
cytoborg said:
Word.

Decide what you want, and go for it. Don't let your self-doubt dictate your goals. Almost everyone questions his/her matchability at some point - if the match is good for anything, it's wrecking our confidence and reducing us to puddles of anxiety. Remember, you do not equal your grades or scores. You are a package person. There are so many variables - your letters of rec, your personality, your experiences during med school and prior to med school, how well you clique with your interviewers, whether you "fit in" with a particular program, what school you're coming from (if you are at a top school then "bottom of the barrel" is a very relative term), I could go on and on.

Worst-case scenario? You don't match, and you try again the next year, meanwhile doing some research or something else cool to boost your application. I've seen people do it, and they turn out just fine. Not matching is this nightmarish fear that so many 4th-years have, but it's really not the end of the world, it's just a detour. I realize that's easy for me to say, since I did match - but seriously, it's not like it represents failure as a human being or anything (nor does barely passing the USMLE or being at the bottom of your class).

Too true. As many of you will find out, getting those interview rejections through ERAS is like the death of a thousand cuts, especially if you have applied to a lot of programs.
 
beastmaster said:
Can someone explain this to me, please.

What does it mean, for example, that a dermatology program at northwestern was unfilled (or, any other supposedly competitive program). I can't imagine that only 3 people applied and those 3 were taken. Or is it that the program had many applicants and thought that only those 3 were a suitable fit?

Someone please explain what it means when a competitive program doesn't fill, WHY/how does this happen?

There are several reasons why a program doesn't fill:
1. the candidates they ranked/interviewed did not rank them highly and so they went to other programs
2. the program did not interview enough candidates
3. they didn't rank enough candidates

these are basically the same reasons that people don't match. sometimes it just happens even when the candidate or program is good...that's why what cytoborg said above is true - it's not the end of the world if you don't match.
 
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