I think I had the Wrong View of Medical Schools...

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I finally went to visit one, I had never actually been inside one before. I'm not sure if this was because the school was osteopathic, or because the school was new, or what... but the school reminded me of an ITT tech or something. It was small, one building, and didn't seem like much but a couple of classrooms and a couple lab rooms. There were also PAs and other types of students in the same building. I imagined it more like college than like a middle school. I didn't like the vibe I got from it at all. The students seemed much more immature than I had imagined as well, just from the brief amount of time I observed them (this is probably a gross generalization, but it was the impression I got).

Am I completely misguided about what the atmosphere at medical school is like? This is the only one I've seen so I had nothing to compare it to, just wanted to get some feedback. Thanks in advance. Always appreciate the responses.
 
What school was this that you went to?
 
I'd rather not say, but it was one of the newer schools.
 
I dunno man - the ones I visited seemed a lot different than what you described. Of course everyone's going to "seem" immature - everyone does that's around your age, especially when you put them in a "medical school setting" for contrast. What do you expect, anal robots? I've met an "immature" 93 year old.
 
Think of all the movies based on 'college'. You're going to find that everywhere. You're not going to find any school where people wear nothing but suits to class and knock on the tables after a lecture is finished.

Also, please remember that the eduaction is not based on the building but the scholars and physicians who are there to educate you the best way they can.
 
I dunno man - the ones I visited seemed a lot different than what you described. Of course everyone's going to "seem" immature - everyone does that's around your age, especially when you put them in a "medical school setting" for contrast. What do you expect, anal robots? I've met an "immature" 93 year old.


I'm glad to hear you didn't feel the same way about the schools you visited. You could be right about the setting as well, maybe I was just expecting more maturity, unrealistically. You do get immaturity everywhere, I'm sure we're all guilty of it at some points, as well. Maybe I'm having a harder time because I have nothing to compare this experience to, and it was quite different from my expectations.

Think of all the movies based on 'college'. You're going to find that everywhere. You're not going to find any school where people wear nothing but suits to class and knock on the tables after a lecture is finished.

Also, please remember that the eduaction is not based on the building but the scholars and physicians who are there to educate you the best way they can.


I agree, but I do feel that I would like to be in an atmosphere that is conducive to learning and allowing me to feel comfortable and be as productive as possible.

Again, I don't want to say the school is bad or that they don't prepare students well, I was just stating the general impression I got from what I saw in a limited time span.
 
I felt the same way about the schools not seeming like a university. However, the schools I visited that were affiliated with a university seemed much more like they were a part of bigger institution. Some schools I visited had dress codes and some did not. That made a big difference on how professional they seemed to be. I was also 5 years out of my undergrad and had worked as a professional since graduation so seeing all of the 22 year old students was a bit of a turn off and I chose a school with more older students who had grown up a bit and didn't seem to have a "Grey's Anatomy" view on medical school. BLAH!

I'm curious about what school you thought was unprofessional. I went to LECOM-Erie, PNWU, LMU-DCOM, VCOM, and Western. Each left me with very different feelings. I would suggest applying broadly and seeing a few schools if you are not geographically bound and that should help you make a better decision.
 
I went to LECOM-Erie, PNWU, LMU-DCOM, VCOM, and Western. Each left me with very different feelings.

Could you elaborate? Please. Thank you very much, I'd like to know what kind of impressions you got from these schools as you visited.
 
Well... if it was professionalism you were looking for I can rank them from what I saw.

VCOM was top notch, and all of the others really were about the same. LECOM had a dress code, but overall didn't seem incredibly professional compared to the image that they tried to portray.
 
You have to realize that most classes are 100-150 students in size, and only the first and second years are there, so none of them are going to be that big. There simply isn't the need to have more than one building in most instances because there aren't that many people in class at any given time.

As far as professionalism, there's a difference between being laughing and joking with your classmates and being unprofessional. The students at my school all got along very well and we had a good time at school telling jokes, stories, making plans to go to the bar after a long week. And when you get cramped into a classroom with the same 100 people day after day, you start to go a little stir crazy, and you do stupid things to make the days less mundane. Then again if that's not your flavor and you prefer a place with a dress code then by all means you should absolutely go where you're most comfortable. I, on the other hand, prefer to go to class in sweatshirts.
 
Well... if it was professionalism you were looking for I can rank them from what I saw.

VCOM was top notch, and all of the others really were about the same. LECOM had a dress code, but overall didn't seem incredibly professional compared to the image that they tried to portray.

LECOM is professional but it's hard to see that on an interview day. If you come on different days, then you may see us in shorts and t shirts for OMM or in crappy clothes to go to gross lab. There is only one thing that bothers me about the dress code but I won't get into it on here. If you wanna know more, then you can PM me
 
I agree about VCOM, very very professional!! LMU-DCOM was also very professional, but I felt VCOM had more of a personal quality than any other school I interviewed at. There was an additional school I interviewed at last year in the southeast (which I'll not name here) that was unimpressive, similar to OP's description (PM for details).

As far as comparisons between DO and MD schools, I do clinical research at Vanderbilt, so if you want some of my observations about the differences, both in bricks and mortar and teaching style/types of students, let me know!
 
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I agree about VCOM, very very professional!! LMU-DCOM was also very professional, but I felt VCOM had more of a personal quality than any other school I interviewed at. There was an additional school I interviewed at last year in the southeast (which I'll not name here) that was unimpressive, similar to OP's description (PM for details).

As far as comparisons between DO and MD schools, I do clinical research at Vanderbilt, so if you want some of my observations about the differences, both in bricks and mortar and teaching style/types of students, let me know!

PMd
 
LECOM is professional but it's hard to see that on an interview day. If you come on different days, then you may see us in shorts and t shirts for OMM or in crappy clothes to go to gross lab. There is only one thing that bothers me about the dress code but I won't get into it on here. If you wanna know more, then you can PM me


Sorry Bleeker,

I wasn't trying to say that LECOM was not professional, just that I didn't think it was any more professional than the other schools even though it has a very strict dress code.
 
I'm pretty sure you aren't talking about Western based on your description of the inside and stating that the school was "new," however I'm going to suggest that you attend a lecture there if possible. As an example, Western U has a very unique outdoor architecture for most of its buildings since the school was started in a strip mall and additional buildings were acquired as the school grew. For example, the building where the DO, DPM, OD, and PharmD lectures are held used to be a Buffams department store (there's even a stock certificate framed by the entrance). Once you step inside, though, it's like you're in a completely different building than what the outside looks like.
 
go where you feel most comfortable. The right school just clicks with you.


I think this should happen for me. When I find the right place, I'll know (I hope) 🙂

thanks for the replies so far, guys (and girls maybe). It's definitely appreciated.
 
You have to realize that most classes are 100-150 students in size, and only the first and second years are there, so none of them are going to be that big. There simply isn't the need to have more than one building in most instances because there aren't that many people in class at any given time.

I just wanted to re-emphasize this point.
 
I just wanted to re-emphasize this point.

I think it's a good point, and like I said earlier, with my lack of experience, I have nothing to compare it to. Once I get to see other schools, I think I'll be able to more clearly state specifics that I like and do not like about schools, and the reasons for the likes and dislikes.
 
Sorry Bleeker,

I wasn't trying to say that LECOM was not professional, just that I didn't think it was any more professional than the other schools even though it has a very strict dress code.

It's cool. I understand what you meant. I'll be the first to admit that somedays we are more professional than others. Honestly the dress code isn't that strict as people think. Guys can wear short/long sleeve shirts, any tie they want (including bow ties), any sort of dress/casual shoe (including birkenstock clogs), etc. The best days are OPP/OMM days on Wednesdays because we get to wear shorts and t shirts to class. I never would've thought that I would be wearing a pair of cut off sweat pants to med school classes haha. We are supposed to wear cotton shorts and I didn't wanna buy any. I like dressing up everyday in a shirt and tie. It's not bad at all. You get used to it really quick. For anatomy lab, I just went to the Salvation Army and bought an outfit for $9 and keep it in my locker.
 
Another thing is that since LECOM-E has two years of med school and Pharm school, we have a pretty good sized building. From the front, the building doesn't look that big. But the building extends very deeply. The original building where the college of medicine is located is only 2 floors. But the newer part of the building, including the school of Pharm is 5 floors. There are plenty of places to study here. I stay in the cafeteria because I can be somewhat loud and talk to friends as well as eat/drink. I never ever have any problem finding a good table to study at. As a matter of fact, I usually get the same 1 or 2 tables everyday regardless of what time I come. A lot of ppl study at home, Wegmans grocery store, Panera, Barnes and Noble, even Mercyhurst's library.
 
what a medical school needs, building-wise, to function:

big lecture hall
anatomy lab
other lab (histo, neuro)
library of some sort
admin offices
and, for DO schools, a place to do OMT

as you can imagine, this just doesn't take up much space. the sooner you come around to the idea that medical entails spending all your time in one building, the easier your life will be.

as for "immature" students, cut them a little slack. after hours upon hours of lecture, my brain gets a little fuzzy. sometimes you gotta let loose (a bit) to keep your sanity.
 
OP: That sounds like the impression I got when I visited PCOM-Ga. Not saying anything against PCOM-Ga, but there were certain members who spoke with me/ my mother (at a DO conference) who were very unprofessional. As I have heard, some of these people have left the school now, though.

Like everyone else says, it depends on the school you visit. LMU-DCOM is huge, with lots of technology. WVSOM has an entire campus. Here at VCOM was kinda a combination of the two (big new, main building + SIM center across the street, all while being on the Research Center part of the Va Tech campus). PCOM- Ga has a smaller building, though technologically similar to most of the others I visited (it was the attitude of those speaking to me that created the unprofessional vibe).

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OP, I had some of the same feelings regarding DO schools' size (and their students' professionalism) when I started my osteopathic interviews last year. The smallish size of some DO schools surprised me at first; after all, my undergrad school was Case Western, and its medical school seemed absolutely enormous in comparison to many DO campuses. However, one important thing to keep in mind is that a large portion of the "floor area" of many allopathic campuses is strictly devoted to research. In fact, if you were to take a map of most allopathic campuses and cross out all the facilities devoted to research (i.e., basic science labs, professors' offices, scientific equipment rooms, etc.), I'd think you'd find that the portions of the school devoted strictly to training new physicians are roughly comparable to similar facilities at most osteopathic campuses. Additionally, size isn't everything, and I personally feel that the newness and quality of the facilities at many osteopathic schools meets or even exceeds that of many allopathic campuses. DMU's facilities, for instance, aren't especially large but are very clean, seem new, and have a fantastic level of technology integration that many allopathic medical schools don't have.

As far as the whole "professionalism" bit goes...yes, I was initially surprised by how some students at the osteopathic campuses seemed unfocused, fratty, occasionally disrespectful, academically unserious, etc. In fact, it really worried me at first because unprofessionalism among doctors is one of my biggest pet peeves and I wondered just how well I'd be able to fit in with people like this if I was accepted to an osteopathic school. However, as time went on and I came into contact with more medical students from various allopathic campuses, I came to realize that many allopathic medical students seemed to have that same degree of "unprofessionalism" also. (It's not just my perception, either; I have a friend at UMDNJ who lives in Philly and often takes the train into Jersey to get to school, and he feels that many of the UPenn medical students he's encountered on the train are "total douchebags" (his words, not mine). So, I think it's safe to say that the variety of "unprofessionalism" you noticed is somewhat widespread among both allopathic and osteopathic medical students; it's a bit disappointing, and I wish something could be done about it. However, it's also worth pointing out (a) appearances can be deceiving, and behind the scenes some of these people may be great students that will make fine doctors and (b) that not everyone at any given medical school is going to act that way. I've encountered plenty of sincere, serious, hardworking, professional students at UMDNJ-SOM, and I think you'd find a cadre of students like this at any other medical school in the country. After all, there are a lot of different ways to get through medical school, and you certainly don't have to partake in some students' unprofessional behavior if you don't want to.
 
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Nova southeastern has none of these problems
 
OP, I had some of the same feelings regarding DO schools' size (and their students' professionalism) when I started my osteopathic interviews last year. The smallish size of some DO schools surprised me at first; after all, my undergrad school was Case Western, and its medical school seemed absolutely enormous in comparison to many DO campuses. However, one important thing to keep in mind is that a large portion of the "floor area" of many allopathic campuses is strictly devoted to research. In fact, if you were to take a map of most allopathic campuses and cross out all the facilities devoted to research (i.e., basic science labs, professors' offices, scientific equipment rooms, etc.), I'd think you'd find that the portions of the school devoted strictly to training new physicians are roughly comparable to similar facilities at most osteopathic campuses. Additionally, size isn't everything, and I personally feel that the newness and quality of the facilities at many osteopathic schools meets or even exceeds that of many allopathic campuses. DMU's facilities, for instance, aren't especially large but are very clean, seem new, and have a fantastic level of technology integration that many allopathic medical schools don't have.

As far as the whole "professionalism" bit goes...yes, I was initially surprised by how some students at the osteopathic campuses seemed unfocused, fratty, occasionally disrespectful, academically unserious, etc. In fact, it really worried me at first because unprofessionalism among doctors is one of my biggest pet peeves and I wondered just how well I'd be able to fit in with people like this if I was accepted to an osteopathic school. However, as time went on and I came into contact with more medical students from various allopathic campuses, I came to realize that many allopathic medical students seemed to have that same degree of "unprofessionalism" also. (It's not just my perception, either; I have a friend at UMDNJ who lives in Philly and often takes the train into Jersey to get to school, and he feels that many of the UPenn medical students he's encountered on the train are "total douchebags" (his words, not mine). So, I think it's safe to say that the variety of "unprofessionalism" you noticed is somewhat widespread among both allopathic and osteopathic medical students; it's a bit disappointing, and I wish something could be done about it. However, it's also worth pointing out (a) appearances can be deceiving, and behind the scenes some of these people may be great students that will make fine doctors and (b) that not everyone at any given medical school is going to act that way. I've encountered plenty of sincere, serious, hardworking, professional students at UMDNJ-SOM, and I think you'd find a cadre of students like this at any other medical school in the country. After all, there are a lot of different ways to get through medical school, and you certainly don't have to partake in some students' unprofessional behavior if you don't want to.

It's the same everywhere. There is a lack of professionalism in the corporate world, too. Someone's chosen profession doesn't change his or her character.
 
I really appreciate you all taking the time to reply to this. I definitely don't expect everyone to be stone cold statues, it was just a combination of things, and a bit of surprise. I just had unrealistic expectations. I hope to be able to compare and contrast various schools and see which one is the best fit for me.

I'm also glad that I'm not the first person to feel this way.
 
as for "immature" students, cut them a little slack. after hours upon hours of lecture, my brain gets a little fuzzy. sometimes you gotta let loose (a bit) to keep your sanity.

I absolutely agree. After 8 hours of sitting in a lecture hall, you want to do something fun/silly.

I personally find it amazing how well I got to know my fellow classmates in a matter of three weeks. It feels like I've known them for years. When you feel closer to your classmates, you tend to let loose a little, joke around, and have a good laugh. This speaks nothing of your professionalism; you need to be able to let go and be human for a while (we are social creatures, after all).
 
I absolutely agree. After 8 hours of sitting in a lecture hall, you want to do something fun/silly.

I personally find it amazing how well I got to know my fellow classmates in a matter of three weeks. It feels like I've known them for years. When you feel closer to your classmates, you tend to let loose a little, joke around, and have a good laugh. This speaks nothing of your professionalism; you need to be able to let go and be human for a while (we are social creatures, after all).

Yes, and its still school. Between classes I don't think maintaining a high level of professionalism is on someone's mind when they're conversing or messing around with friends. Its not as if you're at clinic or in an actual class at the time. I'm sure people act their age or don't do anything stupid, but no need to put on your sunday suit for your friends.
 
I'm inclined to agree with the OP that a lot of medical schools really weren't what I was envisioning. At my first interview, I was a little stunned to see that the medical school was basically just a three story building surrounded by hospitals and labs. In my minds eye (and because of those cunning medical school photographers) I was really expecting something very large with multiple buildings, libraries, and courtyards and all that jazz. I mean, this is medical school! This is where many of the brightest minds go to study.... in a rinky dink three story building. You get used to it though and realize that so much of medical education is outside of the school proper and how much smaller the class is. Coming from a huge university with many times the number of students than the largest of medical schools, a one or two building campus (assuming you went to a school that was not on a university campus and not counting hospitals and labs) seems tiny in comparison, but its pretty darn spacious for the number of students that are spacious.
 
I absolutely agree. After 8 hours of sitting in a lecture hall, you want to do something fun/silly.

I personally find it amazing how well I got to know my fellow classmates in a matter of three weeks. It feels like I've known them for years. When you feel closer to your classmates, you tend to let loose a little, joke around, and have a good laugh. This speaks nothing of your professionalism; you need to be able to let go and be human for a while (we are social creatures, after all).

Perhaps, but at whose expense are these jokes being made? Cracking jokes about patients seems to be a popular pastime among many medical students and doctors, and that's always something that has struck me as being totally unprofessional. There's a difference between harmless comedy and being cruel, and many medical professionals don't seem to know where that line lies.
 
Perhaps, but at whose expense are these jokes being made? Cracking jokes about patients seems to be a popular pastime among many medical students and doctors, and that's always something that has struck me as being totally unprofessional. There's a difference between harmless comedy and being cruel, and many medical professionals don't seem to know where that line lies.


It's called a defense mechanism. Better to have a few crude jokes than a doctor flip out and strangulate someone with a catheter. Is it right? No, of course not, but we are all human here and we aren't perfect or made of stone.
 
When you spend all your time in a library and a lecture hall you will be surprised at what you want to do to unwind.

👎rolleyes:
 
I havent met a doctor of any kind yet, that was 100% 'professional' all of the time.

You gotta have a sense of humor in life and in the profession, otherwise you will end up jaded.
 
Joking around and being "unprofessional" is a coping mechanism but sometimes it's the only way to get through the stress of it all. In gross lab, we have fun and joke around. It helps get your mind off the fact that you are poking through a body who used to be a talking, breathing person. We are not inappropriate ever but we do laugh and talk about other things besides anatomy. We have a really cool sign in our cadaver lab that reads "This is where the dead come to teach the living. Please honor and respect them by being in a receptive mood to learn." As long as we aren't being unprofessional around patients or while working then what's the big issue? Life and medicine is hard enough to do without having fun and trying to break away from all the stress.
 
It helps get your mind off the fact that you are poking through a body who used to be a talking, breathing person. We are not inappropriate ever but we do laugh and talk about other things besides anatomy.

You mean I'm not the only one who has the urge to yell "KALI MA" every time I hold my cadaver's heart?
 
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