"If he was an URM, he would have been accepted"-Interesting but old case

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Nice thread
 
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do you think the ADCOMs actually went that indepth into his application when they were originally reviewing it. i would have been like :troll: after skimming over his app for 2 min.

they probly went back after the lawsuit and found all the random crap to entertain us
 
Arjuna said:
Not to be an a** but I think Mr. Koko already posted that.
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Uh . . . he was quoting Koko's post, reiterating the fact that if anyone happened to miss it (by, say, skipping to page 2) they should definitely be sure to read it.
 
ButImLETired said:
I love this guy.

My grades and MCAT scores are below average, my personal statement insults doctors and the practice of medicine, my LOR says I'm unfit to become a physician, I've never been able to hold a job (unless you count my mad juggling skillz), oh and I've been arrested (and I'm going to go ahead and NOT explain why that is).

But damn it, I didn't get in cause I'm white!
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Haha. Thanks Let. I don't know why that article needed to be that long when you can pretty much just sum it up as easily as that 👍
 
Yeah, this guy has it right. I mean, don't you ever wonder why you never see any white, male doctors?

Oh wait...
 
"...Farmer earned a science GPA of 2.8, and he
received "C" grades in several classes, including Basic Math and Science,..."

Yikes..👎

From the people that brought you the McDonald's coffee spill scandal, yet another example of our lawsuit-happy society... When all else fails, sue sue sue!

Can you imagine the precedent of a court ordering a medical school to admit someone?😱
 
This guy would give John Edward a run for biggest douche in the universe!

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Pedsbro said:
"...Farmer earned a science GPA of 2.8, and he
received "C" grades in several classes, including Basic Math and Science,..."

Yikes..👎

From the people that brought you the McDonald's coffee spill scandal, yet another example of our lawsuit-happy society... When all else fails, sue sue sue!

Can you imagine the precedent of a court ordering a medical school to admit someone?😱
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The coffee spill resulted in skin grafts... And changed the quality of the cups McD used to serve copy. They were clearly negligent in that case.
 
Chuck's Right Foot said:
The coffee spill resulted in skin grafts... And changed the quality of the cups McD used to serve copy. They were clearly negligent in that case.
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I think it's debatable that they were clearly negligent. One could make the argument that the temperature they served coffee at was too hot, but they also had clear warnings on the cup saying that it was hot. They didn't spill the coffee on the woman. Now everyone buying coffee from McDs gets cool coffee thanks to the lawsuit 🙁 f that.
 
drizzt3117 said:
I think it's debatable that they were clearly negligent. One could make the argument that the temperature they served coffee at was too hot, but they also had clear warnings on the cup saying that it was hot. They didn't spill the coffee on the woman. Now everyone buying coffee from McDs gets cool coffee thanks to the lawsuit 🙁 f that.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants

BTW, I still get hot coffee from McDs.
Applying the principles of comparative negligence, the jury found that McDonald's was 80% responsible for the incident and Liebeck was 20% at fault. Though there was a warning on the coffee cup, the jury decided that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. They awarded Liebeck US$200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20% to $160,000. In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages. The jurors apparently arrived at this figure from Morgan's suggestion to penalize McDonald's for one or two days' worth of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day.[4] The judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000, three times the compensatory amount, for a total of $640,000. The decision was appealed by both McDonald's and Liebeck in December 1994, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000.[14] Liebeck died on August 4, 2004, at the age of 91.
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I found the punitive damages to be creative in this case.
 
Chuck's Right Foot said:
I found the punitive damages to be creative in this case.
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I'm familiar with the case, I think the jury was out of their fn mind. I used this case to make an argument AGAINST trial by jury during my public policy masters.
 
I'm really curious about this part in the court opinion. How did they come to the "composite scores" for his MCAT? Is this informative of how UM and possibly other schools value the MCAT? Somehow his composite score for the second MCAT was higher than the average admitted student even though his actual score was lower (29). I tried just adding the numerical score in for the verbal but that wasn't it.

"On the 1994 MCAT, Farmer received the following scores: Verbal
reasoning — 11 (85-96 percentile), Physical sciences — 6 (13-27 percentile),
Writing Sample — P (63-75 percentile), and Biological sciences
— 7 (24-37 percentile). In 1995, Farmer received the following scores:
Verbal reasoning — 10 (75-87 percentile), Physical science — 10 (74-86
percentile), Writing sample — S (96-99 percentile), and Biological sciences
— 9 (56-72 percentile).
From these data and the data that Farmer obtained in discovery, Farmer's
experts generated "composite" scores. Farmer's composite score
on his first MCAT was 38. Farmer's composite score on his second
MCAT was 49. The average composite MCAT score for all admittees
was 44.92. J.A. 1402. The average composite MCAT score for minority
admittees was 38.42. The average MCAT for non-minority admittees
was 46.67."
 
I'm sure that particular formula overemphasizes the writing sample.

richse said:
I'm really curious about this part in the court opinion. How did they come to the "composite scores" for his MCAT? Is this informative of how UM values the MCAT? Somehow his composite score for the second MCAT was higher than the average admitted student even though his actual score was lower (29). I tried just adding the numerical score in for the verbal but that wasn't it.

"On the 1994 MCAT, Farmer received the following scores: Verbal
reasoning — 11 (85-96 percentile), Physical sciences — 6 (13-27 percentile),
Writing Sample — P (63-75 percentile), and Biological sciences
— 7 (24-37 percentile). In 1995, Farmer received the following scores:
Verbal reasoning — 10 (75-87 percentile), Physical science — 10 (74-86
percentile), Writing sample — S (96-99 percentile), and Biological sciences
— 9 (56-72 percentile).
From these data and the data that Farmer obtained in discovery, Farmer's
experts generated "composite" scores. Farmer's composite score
on his first MCAT was 38. Farmer's composite score on his second
MCAT was 49. The average composite MCAT score for all admittees
was 44.92. J.A. 1402. The average composite MCAT score for minority
admittees was 38.42. The average MCAT for non-minority admittees
was 46.67."
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drizzt3117 said:
I'm sure that particular formula overemphasizes the writing sample.
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But it seems like they got that composite formula from discovery which means it more than likely is the actual formula used by UM for the admissions process. Which would make it very interesting to hopeful UM applicants if not all applicants depending on how general the formula is to adcoms.
 
richse said:
But it seems like they got that composite formula from discovery which means it more than likely is the actual formula used by UM for the admissions process. Which would make it very interesting to hopeful UM applicants if not all applicants depending on how general the formula is to adcoms.
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Read the paragraph more carefully. It said "Farmer's experts generated a 'composite scores." meaning that the scores were generated by the experts. It's likely what they obtained during discovery were the scores from the diff groups.
 
drizzt3117 said:
Read the paragraph more carefully. It said "Farmer's experts generated a 'composite scores." meaning that the scores were generated by the experts. It's likely what they obtained during discovery were the scores from the diff groups.
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I read the paragraph carefully, I just think it could be taken both ways. Do you not see that the statement "From these data and the data that Farmer obtained in discovery, Farmer's experts generated "composite" scores." is pretty ambiguous? They may have just gotten scores or they might have actually gotten some formula from the committee. Who knows, maybe his experts are ex-adcom members. Either way, its possible there is useful info in there for some pre-meds.
 
richse said:
I read the paragraph carefully, I just think it could be taken both ways. Do you not see that the statement "From these data and the data that Farmer obtained in discovery, Farmer's experts generated "composite" scores." is pretty ambiguous? They may have just gotten scores or they might have actually gotten some formula from the committee. Who knows, maybe his experts are ex-adcom members. Either way, its possible there is useful info in there for some pre-meds.
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You want to know their formula? I'll tell you the formula. It is VR + BS + PS + 2 points for each iterative point on writing sample.

Therefore, his first score was 6 + 11 + 7 + 14 = 38 and his second score was 10 + 10 + 9 + 20 = 49. That formula is a bunch of crap. No school weighs writing sample that heavily. I guarantee that UMMS doesn't use that formula to evaluate applicants' MCAT scores.
 
drizzt3117 said:
You want to know their formula? I'll tell you the formula. It is VR + BS + PS + 2 points for each iterative point on writing sample.

Therefore, his first score was 6 + 11 + 7 + 14 = 38 and his second score was 10 + 10 + 9 + 20 = 49. That formula is a bunch of crap. No school weighs writing sample that heavily. I guarantee that UMMS doesn't use that formula to evaluate applicants' MCAT scores.
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You're right that is crap, I don't see why UMMS didn't raise objections when those numbers were presented by the "experts."
 
richse said:
You're right that is crap, I don't see why UMMS didn't raise objections when those numbers were presented by the "experts."
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They probably did, we didn't see the depositions of all of the adcom members. I think they wanted to bank on the argument that they would have rejected him for qualitative non-race based issues regardless.
 
The funny thing is would he actually want to go there if he got in after the law suit. I'm sure it would of been hell.
 
slick27 said:
The funny thing is would he actually want to go there if he got in after the law suit. I'm sure it would of been hell.
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I think Alan Bakke did alright after his case went to the Supreme Court and he eventually got into UC Davis. But then again Bakke had more to stand on than this guy.
 
richse said:
You're right that is crap, I don't see why UMMS didn't raise objections when those numbers were presented by the "experts."
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i remember reading in another part of the case that the court's decision was due in part to the fact that UM discredited Farmer's "experts"
 
Even though this thread is fairly old, it would seem that the best way for this guy to "prove" his case is to put on his best Al Jolson face and reapply URM, amirite?😉
 
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