If these States were to secede from the Union...

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What would this mean for medical training and more in particular, Med schools. At this point this is totally hypothetical, but does anyone have any ideas to what might happen to the medical system granted each of these 30ish states were to become independent?




I'm gonna go out on a limb and a side tangent and estimate that within 1 year Alaska would be known as Russ'laska....

I feel like this is a situation similar to small children crying over who gets to be the captain of the little league team....
 
Future MD DDubs said:
I feel like this is a situation similar to small children crying over who gets to be the captain of the little league team....
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yup. What I'd like to see is the federal govt grant these states with a large # of people signing these stupid petitions a "trial secession" where they lose all federal funding - most of these states (except for texas) receive way more in federal funding than they pay in federal taxes- let's see how eager they are to leave the union when they realize how much $$ they'll have to give up.
 
There is no need to worry about what will happen because they won't secede.
 
Dark Magician said:
There is no need to worry about what will happen because they won't secede.
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Exactly. Even though it's making headlines, it's only a small handful of people relative to the entire population who signed the petition. People are just angry that Obama won, and aren't using their heads.
 
Not going to happen. If you look at the signatures on that page, it seems to be the same people signing every petition. These people are not even from the states they are signing the petitions for!
 
Secession worked SO well last time!

The people spear-heading these petitions need to brush up on basic American history.
 
The number of people signing these, percentage of state population wise, is in the less than one percent range. These are the loons, not some actual supported movement within the states.
 
Moosepig said:
The number of people signing these, percentage of state population wise, is in the less than one percent range. These are the loons, not some actual supported movement within the states.
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Exactly. There's not reason to even give this serious attention or thought.
 
How is this relevant? People have petitioned during the 2004, and 2008 elections as well which. It's nothing new, and never will happen. 25K+ votes just gets more attention. The only way to part ways would be by war, and they are petitioning that they want to secede "peacefully," hence the fact if you try it's an act of war. Never will happen, no idea why it's news. Maybe the GOP is butt hurt since Obama was re-elected. Surprised it's even prevalent still.

It makes news coverage because the more people talk about it the more news and ratings the networks get. It's only relevant because the loony tunes petitioning and I bet most of them are the young kids coming straight of high school unlike the old conservatives living in a different world. Majority of young adults feel obligated to a sense of duty to participate in politics or issues they deem "serious" with no real reasoning or knowledge behind any issue, which ultimately contributes more to the dumbing down of this country thanks to valuing the entertainment industry and the misinformed views regarding real serious issues.
 
Lol they aren't gonna secede anymore than apples are gonna stop growing on trees.
 
These petitions happened in 2004 and 2008. No reason to give these petitions any more attention than the last ones.
 
Just cry babies over the last election... It will subside in a few weeks time
 
What if humans were no longer susceptible to disease and injury? How would that effect the medical system, and especially medical schools.

Oh crap, we'd be out of our jobs.
 
On the off chance that these states seceded peacefully, it would be a logistical nightmare. The federal gov't would want fair compensation for the federal buildings, military bases, and interstate highways that they would lose. People would be flocking into the new country or out to the US, which would probably require a grace period. Millions of people would apply for passports and citizenship documentation, which would inundate government workers. Those nifty battleships and fighter jets would cost money too.

Nevertheless, if at first you don't secede, try and try again.
 
Praefectus said:
On the off chance that these states seceded peacefully, it would be a logistical nightmare. The federal gov't would want fair compensation for the federal buildings, military bases, and interstate highways that they would lose. People would be flocking into the new country or out to the US, which would probably require a grace period. Millions of people would apply for passports and citizenship documentation, which would inundate government workers. Those nifty battleships and fighter jets would cost money too.

Nevertheless, if at first you don't secede, try and try again.
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Bingo
 
wanderedtoolong said:
yup. What I'd like to see is the federal govt grant these states with a large # of people signing these stupid petitions a "trial secession" where they lose all federal funding - most of these states (except for texas) receive way more in federal funding than they pay in federal taxes- let's see how eager they are to leave the union when they realize how much $$ they'll have to give up.
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Uh yea from federal income taxes paid by citizens from these states as well as their social security and medicare payroll contributions turning into IOUs. As well as excise taxes

Where do you think the fed gets their money besides selling bond debt to other countries in our name and with the ability to pay back through taxation?
 
RosettaStoned said:
Bingo
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Im not sure what ***** would want to buy battleships and fighter jets

And you really want to start at the local level decreasing the many unnecessary parking/traffic ticket writing police forces of small municipals or combine at county or state level to get rid of many pointless court systems, municipal governments.

But the fed should play a much smaller role, especially monetarily in all our lives. Ensure basic constitutional rights arent impinged by states and provide low cost framework to deal economically with other countries

Id take one dmv system. Enough of this nonsense of new drivers license, title, registration, inspection when the cars purchased are the same in every state and traffic laws similar enough
 
Praefectus said:
On the off chance that these states seceded peacefully, it would be a logistical nightmare. The federal gov't would want fair compensation for the federal buildings, military bases, and interstate highways that they would lose. People would be flocking into the new country or out to the US, which would probably require a grace period. Millions of people would apply for passports and citizenship documentation, which would inundate government workers. Those nifty battleships and fighter jets would cost money too.

Nevertheless, if at first you don't secede, try and try again.
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Pretty sure we'd invade them and then make them US territories or something :laugh:
 
wanderedtoolong said:
yup. What I'd like to see is the federal govt grant these states with a large # of people signing these stupid petitions a "trial secession" where they lose all federal funding - most of these states (except for texas) receive way more in federal funding than they pay in federal taxes- let's see how eager they are to leave the union when they realize how much $$ they'll have to give up.
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Yup. According to this, the 3 biggest taker states are deep Red States where the anti-socialists voted heavily for Team Red: WV $2.83 fed spending for each $1 of fed tax paid; MS, $2.73:$1 and SC, $2.13:$1. NM was the top Blue State taker, getting $2.05:$1.
http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2012/09/give-take-small-final.png

But the issue of secession was, of course, settled with extreme prejudice in 1861-1865, with over 600,000 dead. Some people never learn.
 
Secession would not need to be violent and end in another Civil War. Remember that the Civil War did not start when the southern states seceded, it started when they fired on Fort Sumter. Up until then the North was more or less willing to let the southern states break away, although they retained control of the Federal forts along the southern coastline. If the south had been able to accept the presence of Federally controlled forts, as irritating as this was, or been able to negotiate the evacuation of the forts, the Civil War would most likely not have happened and American history would be very different.

I voted for the Alaska Independence party years ago when they were still advocating secession. Now that they're just another libertarian party I don't bother. I'm tired of seeing all our fish go to catcher-processors based in Seattle that never even stop for gas in Alaska, and I'm tired of seeing all our oil money flowing south to the Lower 48 too. As far as medical education goes, Alaska would be in an interesting position unless Washington seceded as well, since our in-state medical school is the WWAMI program, a partnership with UW. There's probably enough Alaskan medical students to justify starting a very small medical school though.
 
Narmerguy said:
Pretty sure we'd invade them and then make them US territories or something :laugh:
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HAha this is the first thing I thought of when I read the article yesterday. These puny states will be little match for the US armed forces lol.
 
Geebeejay said:
HAha this is the first thing I thought of when I read the article yesterday. These puny states will be little match for the US armed forces lol.
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Who is winning in Afghanistan- the US Army, with its tanks and helicopters and planes and cannon, or the Taliban, with a bunch of armed pickup trucks? Texas has the world's largest fleet of armed pickup trucks. Just sayin'.
 
Chip N Sawbones said:
Secession would not need to be violent and end in another Civil War. Remember that the Civil War did not start when the southern states seceded, it started when they fired on Fort Sumter. Up until then the North was more or less willing to let the southern states break away, although they retained control of the Federal forts along the southern coastline. If the south had been able to accept the presence of Federally controlled forts, as irritating as this was, or been able to negotiate the evacuation of the forts, the Civil War would most likely not have happened and American history would be very different.

I voted for the Alaska Independence party years ago when they were still advocating secession. Now that they're just another libertarian party I don't bother. I'm tired of seeing all our fish go to catcher-processors based in Seattle that never even stop for gas in Alaska, and I'm tired of seeing all our oil money flowing south to the Lower 48 too. As far as medical education goes, Alaska would be in an interesting position unless Washington seceded as well, since our in-state medical school is the WWAMI program, a partnership with UW. There's probably enough Alaskan medical students to justify starting a very small medical school though.
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I would actually support selling Alaska to Canada. It makes sense. I think we have to leave US, go to Canada, and leave Canada to go to a US state. Also, I feel bad for the Alaskan voters whose votes were just casted, but the presidential victor was basically chosen by that time.
 
Chip N Sawbones said:
Who is winning in Afghanistan- the US Army, with its tanks and helicopters and planes and cannon, or the Taliban, with a bunch of armed pickup trucks? Texas has the world's largest fleet of armed pickup trucks. Just sayin'.
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Chevy black smoke may obscure us just enough to prevent the drug cartels to the South from completely wiping us out.
 
If the red states want to form a nation, can they take Alberta (and the other Canadian provinces who voted Conservative) with them?
The other provinces will join the blue state, I want more med schools avaible to me, but I don't want neo-cons. 😛 I agree with thses guys on social conservatism, but they want to sell everybody to the private enterprises and create more wars.
 
Agent B said:
I would actually support selling Alaska to Canada. It makes sense. I think we have to leave US, go to Canada, and leave Canada to go to a US state. Also, I feel bad for the Alaskan voters whose votes were just casted, but the presidential victor was basically chosen by that time.
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Sorry if I should ignorant, but what will Alaska bring us?
 
Okay the people saying "sell Alaska to Canada" aren't considering geopolitics here. Currently the US, Canada, and Russia are all fighting over Arctic oil so the US would never consider giving up Alaska.

Btw, Puerto Rico needs to be a state asap. It's time we look more favorable and welcoming to Latin America.
 
Chip N Sawbones said:
Secession would not need to be violent and end in another Civil War. Remember that the Civil War did not start when the southern states seceded, it started when they fired on Fort Sumter. Up until then the North was more or less willing to let the southern states break away, although they retained control of the Federal forts along the southern coastline. If the south had been able to accept the presence of Federally controlled forts, as irritating as this was, or been able to negotiate the evacuation of the forts, the Civil War would most likely not have happened and American history would be very different.

I voted for the Alaska Independence party years ago when they were still advocating secession. Now that they're just another libertarian party I don't bother. I'm tired of seeing all our fish go to catcher-processors based in Seattle that never even stop for gas in Alaska, and I'm tired of seeing all our oil money flowing south to the Lower 48 too. As far as medical education goes, Alaska would be in an interesting position unless Washington seceded as well, since our in-state medical school is the WWAMI program, a partnership with UW. There's probably enough Alaskan medical students to justify starting a very small medical school though.
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The only reason why the Union didn't stop the South from seceding was because James Buchanan was a blockhead and thought they had the right to leave. If it had been any other president with sense, he would have tried all in his power to stop the South.
 
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Robin des Bois said:
Sorry if I should ignorant, but what will Alaska bring us?
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I think Alaska's main purpose was to provide us with more oil reserves for drilling, so that we can be energy-independent (ironically). But Alaska's way too far from us and is right next to Canada. So, it makes sense for Canada to own Alaska. Also, Alaska voting polls close after the victor is selected.
 
Agent B said:
I think Alaska's main purpose was to provide us with more oil reserves for drilling, so that we can be energy-independent (ironically). But Alaska's way too far from us and is right next to Canada. So, it makes sense for Canada to own Alaska. Also, Alaska voting polls close after the victor is selected.
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Thereby proving what we in the continental US have known all along: Alaska doesn't matter.
 
Agent B said:
I think Alaska's main purpose was to provide us with more oil reserves for drilling, so that we can be energy-independent (ironically). But Alaska's way too far from us and is right next to Canada. So, it makes sense for Canada to own Alaska. Also, Alaska voting polls close after the victor is selected.
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Ok. When will you send your application? 😛

Is there some warm State who want to join us? 😛
 
ValentineLissar said:
The only reason why the Union didn't stop the South from seceding was because James Buchanan was a blockhead and thought they had the right to leave. If had been any other president with sense, he would have tried all in his power to stop the South.
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It's true that Buchanan didn't try hard at all, but it's difficult to see what he could have done to stop secession if he'd wanted to, short of making tremendous concessions like supporting slavery in the territories. That would have been an awfully bold move for a lame duck president, and it never would have passed Congress. Immediately before the Civil War the Federal army was too weak to be an effective deterrent to secession and the navy was a rotting collection of outdated ships, some left over from 1812.
 
Chip N Sawbones said:
It's true that Buchanan didn't try hard at all, but it's difficult to see what he could have done to stop secession if he'd wanted to, short of making tremendous concessions like supporting slavery in the territories. That would have been an awfully bold move for a lame duck president, and it never would have passed Congress. Immediately before the Civil War the Federal army was too weak to be an effective deterrent to secession and the navy was a rotting collection of outdated ships, some left over from 1812.
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Buchanan was a failure as a president. He knew a war was coming so he let his successor deal with it. That guy was a total disgrace to the nation.
 
Agent B said:
I think Alaska's main purpose was to provide us with more oil reserves for drilling, so that we can be energy-independent (ironically). But Alaska's way too far from us and is right next to Canada. So, it makes sense for Canada to own Alaska. Also, Alaska voting polls close after the victor is selected.
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Where are you going to find Alaskans that want to join Canada? I suppose some of our extremist bleedingheart liberals might, but there aren't very many liberals in Alaska. If we seceded, it would be to form our own country. Besides, joining Canada in protest to Obama getting elected would be the definition of stupid. It would have made more sense for California to join Canada in protest to Dubya's reelection.
 
Chip N Sawbones said:
Where are you going to find Alaskans that want to join Canada? I suppose some of our extremist bleedingheart liberals might, but there aren't very many liberals in Alaska. If we seceded, it would be to form our own country. Besides, joining Canada in protest to Obama getting elected would be the definition of stupid. It would have made more sense for California to join Canada in protest to Dubya's reelection.
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Nice joke there. California would be sold to Mexico, but California's good. It's part of continental United States or near United States. Alaska's an outlier. I think it makes sense why Alaska was called "Seward's Folly". Canada would be happy to acquire Alaska, or better yet, sell Alaska to Russia.
 
California is WAY too big, even bigger than Canada. It needs to split into two states.

Or just make Los Angeles its own state. The inland empire just... concrete and the same chain store repeated every 2 square miles. Driving around is not fun either.
 
ShenanigansMD said:
California is WAY too big, even bigger than Canada. It needs to split into two states.

Or just make Los Angeles its own state. The inland empire just... concrete and the same chain store repeated every 2 square miles. Driving around is not fun either.
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Nope, California is important, including Los Angeles. Alaska's main use is for its oil, natural resources, and seafood. If we resolve these matters, then Canada will buy Alaska in exchange for Nova Scotia etc.
 
If the blue states and the red states are going to seperate, where is Florida going?
 
Agent B said:
Nope, California is important, including Los Angeles. Alaska's main use is for its oil, natural resources, and seafood. If we resolve these matters, then Canada will buy Alaska in exchange for Nova Scotia etc.
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I meant Cali needs to split into two different states, not secede.
 
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