If these States were to secede from the Union...

[487806]

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If the blue states and the red states are going to seperate, where is Florida going?

To Spain.

I meant Cali needs to split into two different states.

Good idea. We merge the northern half with Oregon, and sell the southern half to Mexico.

 

[Chip N Sawbones]

Nice joke there. California would be sold to Mexico, but California's good. It's part of continental United States or near United States. Alaska's an outlier. I think it makes sense why Alaska was called "Seward's Folly". Canada would be happy to acquire Alaska, or better yet, sell Alaska to Russia.

Canada might want to acquire Alaska, but they'd have to fight Alaskans to get it, and where are you going to find Canadians with guns? That's even worse than trying to find liberals in Alaska.

 

[Robin des Bois]

California is WAY too big, even bigger than Canada. It needs to split into two states.

Or just make Los Angeles its own state. The inland empire just... concrete and the same chain store repeated every 2 square miles. Driving around is not fun either.

We are the 2nd biggest country, Russia is the first. How could California be bigger than Canada?
More populus, yes, but not bigger.

 

[487806]

Canada might want to acquire Alaska, but they'd have to fight Alaskans to get it, and where are you going to find Canadians with guns? That's even worse than trying to find liberals in Alaska.

Never underestimate the power of Canada. Canada can launch a massive invasion and suppress Alaska if they are really enraged. US will probably support Canada (with Australia and New Zealand) to suppress Alaskan rebels.

Also, Sarah Palin supporters would quit the war before it even started. 😉

 

[ShenanigansMD]

We are the 2nd biggest country, Russia is the first. How could California be bigger than Canada?
More populus, yes, but not bigger.

Okay Captain Trivial, in the context of my post it's obvious that I'm referring to population. And who doesn't when comparing the size of countries/states?

 

[Robin des Bois]

Where are you going to find Alaskans that want to join Canada? I suppose some of our extremist bleedingheart liberals might, but there aren't very many liberals in Alaska. If we seceded, it would be to form our own country. Besides, joining Canada in protest to Obama getting elected would be the definition of stupid. It would have made more sense for California to join Canada in protest to Dubya's reelection.

+1
Canada is left-leaning.
We have universal healthcare over here, we don't have much private universities, we don't like to launch wars, etc.

 

[Chip N Sawbones]

A massive invasion by the entire Canadian army wouldn't get past Tok before their truck broke down. I guess the Canadians could try invading Alaska by sea, but then they'd have to contend with Alaska's navy of armed fishing boats. A Canadian invasion force would be potato-cannoned and bottle-rocketed out of the water, especially if they made the mistake of invading the day after salmon season ends.

Australian soldiers would be tougher to deal with if they were to participate in an invasion of Alaska. I suspect that we'd have to resort to guerrilla warfare, attacking their vulnerable supply lines and destroying essential supplies of military-grade vegemite.

New Zealand's army will be an unknown factor. Their chief plan for defending New Zealand has been to send spies throughout the world erasing New Zealand from maps so nobody knows where it is or how to invade it. It's clearly been an effective defensive strategy, but since their military hasn't fought offensively since some of their soldiers got drunk and volunteered to join the Korean War, nobody knows how they will fight in an invasion.

 

[mmmmd]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...se-few-read-them-they-are-ultimately/nBtJ7d4R

 

[487806]

A massive invasion by the Canadian army wouldn't get past Tok before their truck broke down. I guess the Canadians could try invading Alaska by sea, but then they'd have to contend with Alaska's navy of armed fishing boats. A Canadian invasion force would be potato-cannoned and bottle-rocketed out of the water, especially if they made the mistake of invading the day after salmon season ends.

Australian soldiers would be tougher to deal with if they were to participate in an invasion of Alaska. I suspect that we'd have to resort to guerrilla warfare, attacking their vulnerable supply lines and destroying essential supplies of military-grade vegemite.

New Zealand's army will be an unknown factor. Their chief plan for defending New Zealand has been to send spies throughout the world erasing New Zealand from maps so nobody knows where it is or how to invade it. It's clearly been an effective defensive strategy, but since their military hasn't fought offensively since some of their soldiers got drunk and volunteered to join the Korean War, nobody knows how they will fight in an invasion.

You're seriously overestimating the Alaskan army... I'm pretty sure most Alaskan citizens would leave Alaska the time we sell it to Canada.

 

[Chip N Sawbones]

You're seriously overestimating the Alaskan army... I'm pretty sure most Alaskan citizens would leave Alaska the time we sell it to Canada.

I'm not overestimating the Alaskan army at all. It's true that Alaska doesn't have a standing army at the moment, but if Alaska were to become an independent country or was threatened by the possibility of being sold to Canada, our army would consist of 10,000 moose hunting gun nuts who learned to shoot before we started losing our baby teeth. It would be a well-equipped army too. Remember how I said that the American army was losing to the Taliban because the Americans have planes, tanks, helicopters and cannon that are all very tough, but can be destroyed, whereas the Taliban have Toyota pickup trucks which cannot be destroyed? Alaskans have something like 2.3 Toyota pickup trucks per capita, if you count the ones that aren't street legal and are only used for getting firewood on days when the cops aren't on the road.

 

[NickNaylor]

The reality is that secession isn't going to happen. Even if there was a more significant movement for it, there are two problems:

-I don't remember the case, but the Supreme Court has actually ruled that unilateral secession on the part of a state is illegal. Petitioning for statehood and accepting an appointment of statehood is very much like a binding contract. Once a state joins the union, they are "perpetually" a part of that union, unless...

-...Congress allows a state to secede. And that's just simply not going to happen. There's absolutely zero advantage to the nation as a whole to allow a state to leave the union.

So while these calls for secession (including from my home state) are cute, it's just not going to happen.

 

[Robin des Bois]

I don't think the US is ready for another Civil War, especially now with the economic situation and with foreign fronts. If some states seek secession, then seems like the US won't try to forcibly prevent it.

Canada was surely not going to try to militarly subdue Quebec had the 1995 resulted in secession. That would have been a disaster.

 

[487806]

I don't think the US is ready for another Civil War, especially now with the economic situation and with foreign fronts. If some states seek secession, then seems like the US won't try to forcibly prevent it.

Canada was surely not going to try to militarly subdue Quebec had the 1995 resulted in secession. That would have been a disaster.

Why would americans want a civil war? Secessionists will suffer from.an even more brutal Sherman' March. They will probably be wiped out. Not a wise idea to secede.

 

[CuttingCorneas]

The reality is that secession isn't going to happen. Even if there was a more significant movement for it, there are two problems:

-I don't remember the case, but the Supreme Court has actually ruled that unilateral secession on the part of a state is illegal. Petitioning for statehood and accepting an appointment of statehood is very much like a binding contract. Once a state joins the union, they are "perpetually" a part of that union, unless...

-...Congress allows a state to secede. And that's just simply not going to happen. There's absolutely zero advantage to the nation as a whole to allow a state to leave the union.

So while these calls for secession (including from my home state) are cute, it's just not going to happen.

People don't realize that the ones calling for secession are those who probably know nothing about government in general. They probably don't even realize that the government provides so much aid to states, just because political education in the United States tends to be overlooked more often than not.

 

[pre med 2014]

Why would americans want a civil war?

Freedom

 

[487806]

Freedom

Right... 🙄

 

[Robin des Bois]

Freedom

From whom?

 

[pre med 2014]

From whom?

From a federal government that has grown too large, abused it's authority and operates inconsistent with the vision our founding fathers had for this nation.

 

[487806]

From a federal government that has grown too large, abused it's authority and operates inconsistent with the vision our founding fathers had for this nation.

good one.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Exactly. Even though it's making headlines, it's only a small handful of people relative to the entire population who signed the petition. People are just angry that Obama won, and aren't using their heads.

Some of the petitions aren't even being signed by the residents of the states in question. People are signing for states they don't live in. It is ridiculous.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Freedom

derp

You have no idea what oppression or political abuse is.

 

[pre med 2014]

derp

You have no idea what oppression or political abuse is.

I know what political abuse is, and I know what oppression is.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I know what political abuse is, and I know what oppression is.

oh, my mistake 🙄

Your level of moral outrage and use of buzzwords suggests that while you may know the dictionary definition of these words, you have no concept of what they mean in practice.

The issue here is that people have separated the people from the government. All of the people in office who you suggest are "abusing" the american people were put there BY the american people and also, themselves ARE american people. We have complete and utter freedom here, at least as much as can realistically occur. In this, we have the freedom to hurt ourselves by being uninformed and voting based on nonsense impulses. THAT is what has been going on here. The notion of civil war in our system is akin to having a slap fight with yourself. Those in office make decisions such that they will remain in office. Express whatever disenfranchisement in the system you wish, but we do have the power and ability to effect change in our government. oppression my ass 👎

 

[pre med 2014]

oh, my mistake 🙄

Your level of moral outrage and use of buzzwords suggests that while you may know the dictionary definition of these words, you have no concept of what they mean in practice.

The issue here is that people have separated the people from the government. All of the people in office who you suggest are "abusing" the american people were put there BY the american people and also, themselves ARE american people. We have complete and utter freedom here, at least as much as can realistically occur. In this, we have the freedom to hurt ourselves by being uninformed and voting based on nonsense impulses. THAT is what has been going on here. The notion of civil war in our system is akin to having a slap fight with yourself. Those in office make decisions such that they will remain in office. Express whatever disenfranchisement in the system you wish, but we do have the power and ability to effect change in our government. oppression my ass 👎

It's too much work to change the government, better to just not have it in the first place.

And bureaucrats are NOT elected as you claim they are, they are not held accountable to anyone, they have no morals, there is no transparency, and they can basically get away with anything including murder.

I just can't believe people can't see the disaster that's coming from putting unelected federal bureaucrats in charge of medicine.

 

[SpecterGT260]

It's too much work to change the government, better to just not have it in the first place.

And bureaucrats are NOT elected as you claim they are, they are not held accountable to anyone, they have no morals, there is no transparency, and they can basically get away with anything including murder.

That would be a good point if it were at all relevant.

I didn't claim that bureaucrats are elected 🙄

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[487806]

It's too much work to change the government, better to just not have it in the first place.

And bureaucrats are NOT elected as you claim they are, they are not held accountable to anyone, they have no morals, there is no transparency, and they can basically get away with anything including murder.

dude, your over-reaction implies that the us government is a totalitarian regime. well, keep convincing yourself it is, because in reality, it's not.

 

[CuttingCorneas]

dude, your over-reaction implies that the us government is a totalitarian regime. well, keep convincing yourself it is, because in reality, it's not.

Shh, shh. Let him have his little first world meltdown. He's probably just reacting to the shock of not getting a trophy every time he posts on this thread.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Shh, shh. Let him have his little first world meltdown. He's probably just reacting to the shock of not getting a trophy every time he posts on this thread.

The little league moms didn't give me a trophy when we got knocked out in the first round. Oppression and abuse of power mannnnn!

 

[CuttingCorneas]

The little league moms didn't give me a trophy when we got knocked out in the first round. Oppression and abuse of power mannnnn!

Hey Mom! Can we get some orange slices? ...Mom! The orange slices! F**K!!

 

[TXKnight]

It's too much work to change the government, better to just not have it in the first place.

And bureaucrats are NOT elected as you claim they are, they are not held accountable to anyone, they have no morals, there is no transparency, and they can basically get away with anything including murder.

Fox much?

 

[487806]

Shh, shh. Let him have his little first world meltdown. He's probably just reacting to the shock of not getting a trophy every time he posts on this thread.

Doh! Should have known!

Sigh... once again I got exposed. Well, time to go self- mode now... (again).

 

[Robin des Bois]

oh, my mistake 🙄

Your level of moral outrage and use of buzzwords suggests that while you may know the dictionary definition of these words, you have no concept of what they mean in practice.

The issue here is that people have separated the people from the government. All of the people in office who you suggest are "abusing" the american people were put there BY the american people and also, themselves ARE american people. We have complete and utter freedom here, at least as much as can realistically occur. In this, we have the freedom to hurt ourselves by being uninformed and voting based on nonsense impulses. THAT is what has been going on here. The notion of civil war in our system is akin to having a slap fight with yourself. Those in office make decisions such that they will remain in office. Express whatever disenfranchisement in the system you wish, but we do have the power and ability to effect change in our government. oppression my ass 👎

+1
That's how the governments who don't use oppression manage to control their people, they use ignorance.

 

[pre med 2014]

dude, your over-reaction implies that the us government is a totalitarian regime. well, keep convincing yourself it is, because in reality, it's not.

You're unenlightened.

And I didn't say it was a totalitarian regime

 

[SpecterGT260]

You're unenlightened

+1

and you know its legit because people in cults or otherwise delusional NEVER use the word "enlightened"

 

[pre med 2014]

+1

and you know its legit because people in cults or otherwise delusional NEVER use the word "enlightened"

Cults often work to get members into government so they can force their will onto others and expand their cult. Basic cult survival strategy

 

[SpecterGT260]

Cults often work to get members into government so they can force their will onto others and expand their cult. Basic cult survival strategy

Must be true and not a blatant lie made up on the spot. Bc you can't put it on the net if its not true. Yeah totally not that second thing. 👍

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[Whatyousay]

If the blue states and the red states are going to seperate, where is Florida going?

 

[CuttingCorneas]

Take that, Ponce de Leon!

 

[pre med 2014]

Must be true and not a blatant lie made up on the spot. Bc you can't put it on the net if its not true. Yeah totally not that second thing. 👍

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Yeah your totally right. Ideology doesn't get into government.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Yeah your totally right. Ideology doesn't get into government.

You're* 😉

I'm not even sure you realize how stretched your arguments are. If you wanna say fanatics are in government fine. Cults are not known for infiltrating governments. Their leaders project themselves as deities or near and subversion would undermine their claimed power. They tend to be isolationists. Don't just make something up that sounds good to your position. Its very easy to pick out

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[pre med 2014]

Ok I'll give you that, cult is an extreme word.

 

[487806]

Ok I'll give you that, cult is an extreme word.

Also extreme are most.of your arguments. 😉

 

[911 Turbo]

Lets hope the US doesn't secede from Texas..

 

[487806]

Lets hope the US doesn't secede from Texas..

Or texas secedes from texas! 😏

 

[Robin des Bois]

Or texas secedes from texas! 😏

Or Canada secceding from the US.

 

[Robin des Bois]

I heard that the Louisiana Purchase was illegal since it violates a treaty France had with Spain...

 

[911 Turbo]

I heard that the Louisiana Purchase was illegal since it violates a treaty France had with Spain...

Great, now we have to give it back

 

[Future MD DDubs]

wow didnt think this thread would be so populated,

well it seems general consensus is...


Down with cults... And such...

 

[487806]

I heard that the Louisiana Purchase was illegal since it violates a treaty France had with Spain...

False. The treaty was essentially repealed during the French Revolutionary Wars. When Napoleon took control, Spain fell to French control, so the Louisiana Territory belonged to France.

Or Canada secceding from the US.

Or Germany seceding from Austria.