If you could choose a specialty again...would you choose anesthesiology?

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I am a medical student here in the U.S. strongly considering a career in Anesthesiology. I am fascinated w/the pharmacological actions of drugs on physiology and how you have so much direct control over the patients care (basically keeping him/her alive). So, for all of you anesthesiologists out there...would you do it again? Please take into consideration the future of anesthesiology (I know...nobody has a crystal ball and can predict how the influx of CRNA's and increase in managed care may affect the demand/salary/workload of an anesthesiologist in the future). I ask this question in this forum b/c it is completely anonymous (i.e. when you ask somebody, "would you choose field x again?", most people say that they would b/c by human nature, we don't like to admit that we made mistakes or chose the wrong path; we especially don't like to admit these things to people we barely know). So, all of your thoughts and insight are all greatly appreciated. A sincere thanks to all of you who contribute.🙂
 
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I think thats near impossible to say. I went to medical school JUST to be an anesthesiologist. I never considered anything else.

On the otherhand, sometimes in see some specialties which i really think I might enjoy. Of course, many things look that way from the outside, its so hard to tell.

I have had my interest peaked by these areas:

Emergency Medicine
Pathology
Medical Genetics
Critical Care (considering a fellowship in this)
 
I am a medical student here in the U.S. strongly considering a career in Anesthesiology. I am fascinated w/the pharmacological actions of drugs on physiology and how you have so much direct control over the patients care (basically keeping him/her alive). So, for all of you anesthesiologists out there...would you do it again? Please take into consideration the future of anesthesiology (I know...nobody has a crystal ball and can predict how the influx of CRNA's and increase in managed care may affect the demand/salary/workload of an anesthesiologist in the future). I ask this question in this forum b/c it is completely anonymous (i.e. when you ask somebody, "would you choose field x again?", most people say that they would b/c by human nature, we don't like to admit that we made mistakes or chose the wrong path; we especially don't like to admit these things to people we barely know). So, all of your thoughts and insight are all greatly appreciated. A sincere thanks to all of you who contribute.🙂

There are certain things that you have to understand and be prepared to handle before you make a decision:
1- In our specialty there is no glory and most of the times you work in the background without even being noticed. actually other people might take credit for your work and this shouldn't bother you.
2- You have to accept that many people think that they know about your specialty more than you do including CRNA's, nurses, and surgeons. You must be able to live with that and not let it affect you.
3- You must realize that this specialty has a very uncertain future, and you must be willing to take the risk.
If you feel prepared to handle these fundamental issues then you might survive in this field of medicine otherwise go for something more secure.
 
Plankton...do you care to elaborate on the "very uncertain future" that you seen as an anesthesiologist? How bad could it really get? I may be nieve, but the worst thing that I see happening is that the salaries of anesthesiolgists are decreased. Could worse things happen than that?
 
Plankton...do you care to elaborate on the "very uncertain future" that you seen as an anesthesiologist? How bad could it really get? I may be nieve, but the worst thing that I see happening is that the salaries of anesthesiolgists are decreased. Could worse things happen than that?
What I meant was:
This specialty is going through major changes and the way we practice anesthesiology 15 - 20 years from now might be fundamentally different from what we do today.
The leadership of the specialty is predicting less hands on involvement and more consultant type of work with transformation of the anesthesiologist into a perioperative physician that has to compete with other perioperative physicians like internists, hospitalists and pulmonologists for work.
So, after all ,you might not get to enjoy the hands on Pharmacology and physiology that attracted you to this specialty.
 
20 years from now, I wonder if you really even need any anesthesia person in the room at all times. Why can't you have control rooms where you remotely monitor the patients? You'll be able to remotely monitor the vitals and control delivery of gas. You can send someone to the room if the patient needs something. This is a stretch, but it may be the next step in the evolution of anesthesia.
 
20 years from now, I wonder if you really even need any anesthesia person in the room at all times. Why can't you have control rooms where you remotely monitor the patients? You'll be able to remotely monitor the vitals and control delivery of gas. You can send someone to the room if the patient needs something. This is a stretch, but it may be the next step in the evolution of anesthesia.

Some TIVA programs apparently do something akin to this as far as sedation/GA maintenance goes. It goes up/down on drug to maintain certain parameters (BP, concentration, perhaps BIS) but it can't discern clinical situations for ya.
 
I am a medical student here in the U.S. strongly considering a career in Anesthesiology. I am fascinated w/the pharmacological actions of drugs on physiology and how you have so much direct control over the patients care (basically keeping him/her alive). So, for all of you anesthesiologists out there...would you do it again? Please take into consideration the future of anesthesiology (I know...nobody has a crystal ball and can predict how the influx of CRNA's and increase in managed care may affect the demand/salary/workload of an anesthesiologist in the future). I ask this question in this forum b/c it is completely anonymous (i.e. when you ask somebody, "would you choose field x again?", most people say that they would b/c by human nature, we don't like to admit that we made mistakes or chose the wrong path; we especially don't like to admit these things to people we barely know). So, all of your thoughts and insight are all greatly appreciated. A sincere thanks to all of you who contribute.🙂

It it weren't for anesthesia, I would have quit medicine - but maybe I could do interventional radiology. I probably would have applied to get a job for Joint Comission and be that guy that goes around asking questions to all the fearful doctors and nurses.

We just had JC come to our hospital and the freakin' doctor, I think was an FP, was pimpen' the radiologist (we were doing an MRI on some FLK) on what he saw. It was UNBELIEVABLE. If I were that radiologist, I would have said, "look buddy, why don't you go to the FP clinic and ask the guy what he felt on his rectal exam, otherwise, go %^&* yourself!"
 
Some TIVA programs apparently do something akin to this as far as sedation/GA maintenance goes. It goes up/down on drug to maintain certain parameters (BP, concentration, perhaps BIS) but it can't discern clinical situations for ya.

You can have cameras and whatnot. Plus you can have an anesthesiologist periodically check up on pt in person. Never underestimate technology and the almighty dollar.
 
What I meant was:
This specialty is going through major changes and the way we practice anesthesiology 15 - 20 years from now might be fundamentally different from what we do today.
The leadership of the specialty is predicting less hands on involvement and more consultant type of work with transformation of the anesthesiologist into a perioperative physician that has to compete with other perioperative physicians like internists, hospitalists and pulmonologists for work.
So, after all ,you might not get to enjoy the hands on Pharmacology and physiology that attracted you to this specialty.

Your comments about perioperative consultation make sense, but what about intraoperative care? Without getting in another MD/DO vs. CRNA debate, won't a physician still have to administer anesthesia during a procedure and thus still have the opportunity to manipulate physiology?
 
It it weren't for anesthesia, I would have quit medicine - but maybe I could do interventional radiology. I probably would have applied to get a job for Joint Comission and be that guy that goes around asking questions to all the fearful doctors and nurses.

We just had JC come to our hospital and the freakin' doctor, I think was an FP, was pimpen' the radiologist (we were doing an MRI on some FLK) on what he saw. It was UNBELIEVABLE. If I were that radiologist, I would have said, "look buddy, why don't you go to the FP clinic and ask the guy what he felt on his rectal exam, otherwise, go %^&* yourself!"

Concur with your whole post i.e. i'd do IR also if not an anesthesiologist, and JC has good intentions but is largely a big administrative headache.
 
Every time I think anesthesia sucks, I remember how painful rounding was. How it just hurt to get paged for potassium and tylenol orders all night. The 2 am nursing home admissions, the rule out sepsis in neonates, the wheezers, all of it I just never really cared for. Yes, anesthesia sucks some days and some days it's just hard work. But I'd take it over that other stuff any day.
 
Your comments about perioperative consultation make sense, but what about intraoperative care? Without getting in another MD/DO vs. CRNA debate, won't a physician still have to administer anesthesia during a procedure and thus still have the opportunity to manipulate physiology?

The answer is no.
The anesthesiologist will be a consultant to the mid-level provider administering the anesthetic if needed.
This is how the leaders of the ASA see the future.

Many anesthesiologists don't agree with that vision and hopefully will fight against it, but the future remains uncertain.
 
The answer is no.
The anesthesiologist will be a consultant to the mid-level provider administering the anesthetic if needed.
This is how the leaders of the ASA see the future.

Many anesthesiologists don't agree with that vision and hopefully will fight against it, but the future remains uncertain.

Thanks for replying. Pardon the ignorance as I am only an M3, but why would the ASA be lobbying for such a situation as you describe? It seems counterintuitive to envision a future in which you concede services you currently have a "monopoly" over (again ignoring the MD/DO vs. CRNA debate).
 
Thanks for replying. Pardon the ignorance as I am only an M3, but why would the ASA be lobbying for such a situation as you describe? It seems counterintuitive to envision a future in which you concede services you currently have a "monopoly" over (again ignoring the MD/DO vs. CRNA debate).

I don't think Planktonmd was suggesting that the ASA is lobbying for such action, just prognosticating the likely direction of the field. Anyhow, like any other physician, I think anesthesiologists are naturally interested in furthering their field. Part of that is making use of new technology and better (read efficient) treatment modalities.
 
Control rooms? Could that ever happen? Could somebody who is an experienced anesthesiologist please comment on the possiblity of something like this ever happening? Thanks.
 
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Control rooms? Could that ever happen? Could somebody who is an experienced anesthesiologist please comment on the possiblity of something like this ever happening? Thanks.


What I imagine will happen i once the shortage is over in a few years:

1 status quo-we'll end up supervising CRNA's/residents in tertiary hospitals taking care of the sickest people.

2 We'll run the ICU's in higher numbers.

3 Current CRNA run practices will have an MD for codes and preop evaluations.

4 CRNA's will mellow down once there is no shortage and salaries correct.
 
Well

I think there is one part of your equation (the most important part) which wont happen, this one

" What I imagine will happen i once the shortage is over in a few years"

Last ASA projection i saw suggests that the biggest shortage is yet to come. The average Anesthesiologist is > 50 yrs old i believe and i think it also put the average CRNA at the same age (cant remember the numbers). In anycase, the projection suggested that in the next 10 years there would be a significantly high retirement rate on both sides which the CRNA/MD output would not match...

When that does happen, i think the rest of your projection is accurate. I would also add that pain will be the "Anesthesiologists Niche" as well for many who have no interest in CCM.


What I imagine will happen i once the shortage is over in a few years:

1 status quo-we'll end up supervising CRNA's/residents in tertiary hospitals taking care of the sickest people.

2 We'll run the ICU's in higher numbers.

3 Current CRNA run practices will have an MD for codes and preop evaluations.

4 CRNA's will mellow down once there is no shortage and salaries correct.
 
Does all of the pessimism on this thread have any substance behind it? Is the worst case scenario for the anesthesiologist a decrease in salary, or could they be out of a job?
 
Does all of the pessimism on this thread have any substance behind it? Is the worst case scenario for the anesthesiologist a decrease in salary, or could they be out of a job?

Both. It's simple supply and demand economics. That's why anesthesiologists better wake up and take action now. I agree that our days as stool sitters are probably over, but we have to make sure that there is still a certain level of supervision for the safety of the patient. In addition, we have to make sure that CRNA's don't expand their scope into fields such as pain management. We have the ultimate trump card: we control hiring and we have a choice now.
 
For a moment, take away the element of the future of anesthesiology (b/c nobody can see into the future). Would you choose anesthesiology, if you had the choice again, from a career satisfaction perspective?
 
For a moment, take away the element of the future of anesthesiology (b/c nobody can see into the future). Would you choose anesthesiology, if you had the choice again, from a career satisfaction perspective?


anesthesiologists are too easily controlled by the healthcare system and hospitals because of the nature of what we do. We dont bring patients to the hospital. patients dont come to see US directly. they go see the surgeons who inturn consult us. I would probably pick another specialty that has more control over hours, what theydo clinically. The hospitals has a much harder time controlling the surgeons then they do us. i wouldnt even do medicine if i had to do it over again. also anesthesia has a large amount of crooks.
 
For a moment, take away the element of the future of anesthesiology (b/c nobody can see into the future). Would you choose anesthesiology, if you had the choice again, from a career satisfaction perspective?

I'm a CA-1 so I am just at the beginning, so make of that what you will. My answer is that I would totally make the same choice again.

I still find it almost unbelievable that I have fun at work on a regular basis. This is a huge contrast to my medicine internship where both preliminary interns and categorical residents moaned on a regular basis about having no life, having an unrewarding job, and wishing they were doing something else. My attendings tell me on a regular basis that they had fun (FUN!) during their residency and many seem to say that residency (yes, even residency) should be enjoyed (?!).

In other words I like this job! You can do no wrong choosing a job that you like, no matter how temporary it is. Even considering job security, if all I could ever do in anesthesiology was three years of residency, I would still feel I made a good choice and did something interesting for a change for three years of my life.

Over a couple of decades, people change jobs and change careers. You're trying to pick something where you can both enjoy and keep your job for the next twenty or thirty years. There are no guarantees for either enjoying your job for the next thirty years or for keeping it (though, despite doomsayers, I think you will be able to find a job and keep yourself employed). Choosing a field you enjoy will help get you through the immediate challenges. Beyond that, who knows.
 
For a moment, take away the element of the future of anesthesiology (b/c nobody can see into the future). Would you choose anesthesiology, if you had the choice again, from a career satisfaction perspective?

Worked this morning....did a combined spinal epidural for a prostate case, then a FESS. Working late tomorrow so I'm walking outta the hospital.

OH, AND ITS 10 AM.

Yeah, I still like my job.....11 years outta residency.
 
Concur with your whole post i.e. i'd do IR also if not an anesthesiologist, and JC has good intentions but is largely a big administrative headache.


sheesh Jet, where have you been? I thought maybe you had to sell you computer for gambling debt or something.

Cute kid by the way!
 
Every time I think anesthesia sucks, I remember how painful rounding was. How it just hurt to get paged for potassium and tylenol orders all night. The 2 am nursing home admissions, the rule out sepsis in neonates, the wheezers, all of it I just never really cared for. Yes, anesthesia sucks some days and some days it's just hard work. But I'd take it over that other stuff any day.

This rings so true! I can't believe I almost went into OB/Gyn. Everytime I think about pap smears my soul dies a little!
 
I would 110% choose anesthesia again. It is a great field with a huge amount of flexibility. The lifestyle fits perfect and the money just keeps getting better.

I don't know many people who have switched out of anesthesia, but I know a number of people who have switched into it.

It is not all rosy. The job can be a pain in the ass at times. There are many people to keep happy: patients, surgeons, OR staff, yourself. At the same time, it can be very rewarding. I started a program at my hospital placing continuous femoral nerve block catheters for total knee replacement patients. The patients are very appreciative and it has made a big difference.

If you want more autonomy, do a pain fellowship, or critical care. Maybe even pediatrics. Nice thing is that the fellowships are usually just a year.

I don't sweat the CRNAs. Even if their output doubled, the shortage of anesthesia providers would still be present and I believe it will get worse. People in gen X and gen Y do not want to work the same number of hours as previous generations. Then, the baby boomers will retire and income will continue to go up, as will opportunities. I have more options now than I did when I finished 6 years ago.
 
Every time I think anesthesia sucks, I remember how painful rounding was. How it just hurt to get paged for potassium and tylenol orders all night. The 2 am nursing home admissions, the rule out sepsis in neonates, the wheezers, all of it I just never really cared for. Yes, anesthesia sucks some days and some days it's just hard work. But I'd take it over that other stuff any day.

👍 👍 As a current prelim in internal medicine I can definitely relate. Looking forward to starting the next phase of residency...
 
I don't sweat the CRNAs. Even if their output doubled, the shortage of anesthesia providers would still be present and I believe it will get worse. People in gen X and gen Y do not want to work the same number of hours as previous generations. Then, the baby boomers will retire and income will continue to go up, as will opportunities. I have more options now than I did when I finished 6 years ago.

three years later. others agree?
 
The answer is no.
The anesthesiologist will be a consultant to the mid-level provider administering the anesthetic if needed.
This is how the leaders of the ASA see the future.

Many anesthesiologists don't agree with that vision and hopefully will fight against it, but the future remains uncertain.

This doesnt necessarily have to happen. When I spent 6wks in Europe, I asked the dept chairs at two of the hospitals that I worked at how they managed their CRNAs . In parts of Scandinavia, CRNAs are able to practice independently but two CRNAs have to be present to start and end a case. Not sure why they made it a rule that 2 RNs=1MD but any ways, they both told me that the problem that american anesthesiologists have is that we have yet to fully define the the CRNA scope of practice. By that, I mean we dont limit them. In the hospitals that I worked, they were not allowed to perform any regional, place epidurals or even central lines. One of the hospitals didnt even allow them to place arterial lines. Yes, they learned how to do these procedures in their training but the MDs decided what they did. Some of the attendings wouldnt even allow them to intubate or extubate. Their only role was to push medication and free up the MDs so that they could do other stuff in the hospital. The problem is that we are allowing them to do these procedures. Another thing that I thought was kind of cool was that anesthesiologists placed all invasive lines for the entire hospital. They had a "line room" within the OR area and everything except for IR placed lines were placed by the anesthesiologists. The only overlap with IR was for PICC lines. If they were too busy with other stuff, we placed the lines under fluoro since the room was also used for pain ESIs. Mediports, chemo ports, etc were all placed by anesthesiologists. I just think we as a specialty need to follow our European colleagues who are already under nationalized health care, have the same "problem"(minus AAs, didnt see any over there) yet are still progressing as a specialty. Going there further affirmed my desire to be an anesthesiologist. In Sweden, the anesthesiologist is one of the most highly regarded physician. The med students I met there repeatedly told me that many thought it was as stressful as neurosurgery and it was very competitive to get an anesthesiology residency.

In terms of perioperative physicians, the anesthesiologists there were responsible for not only the PACUs, ORs and ICUs(they are all ICU boarded since residency is 5yrs), but also the surgical floors and ERs. The surgical floors were basically step down units. The surgeons only came to the hospital to operate so we were responsible for medically managing the patients the 1-2 days in step down before going to a hospitalist unit. The ER was different than ours since everything coming to the ER was surgical. The ER was basically two large operating rooms. There were no ED physicians at the hospital. (their urgent care was basically like our EDs). 2 anesthesiologists were assigned to the trauma pager and basically they would wheel the pt from the ambulance or helicopter to the ED operating room. So yes, I would definitely choose this specialty again and if things go sour here, I'll pack up and move to Europe 🙂
 
This doesnt necessarily have to happen. When I spent 6wks in Europe, I asked the dept chairs at two of the hospitals that I worked at how they managed their CRNAs . In parts of Scandinavia, CRNAs are able to practice independently but two CRNAs have to be present to start and end a case. Not sure why they made it a rule that 2 RNs=1MD but any ways, they both told me that the problem that american anesthesiologists have is that we have yet to fully define the the CRNA scope of practice. By that, I mean we dont limit them. In the hospitals that I worked, they were not allowed to perform any regional, place epidurals or even central lines. One of the hospitals didnt even allow them to place arterial lines. Yes, they learned how to do these procedures in their training but the MDs decided what they did. Some of the attendings wouldnt even allow them to intubate or extubate. Their only role was to push medication and free up the MDs so that they could do other stuff in the hospital. The problem is that we are allowing them to do these procedures. Another thing that I thought was kind of cool was that anesthesiologists placed all invasive lines for the entire hospital. They had a "line room" within the OR area and everything except for IR placed lines were placed by the anesthesiologists. The only overlap with IR was for PICC lines. If they were too busy with other stuff, we placed the lines under fluoro since the room was also used for pain ESIs. Mediports, chemo ports, etc were all placed by anesthesiologists. I just think we as a specialty need to follow our European colleagues who are already under nationalized health care, have the same "problem"(minus AAs, didnt see any over there) yet are still progressing as a specialty. Going there further affirmed my desire to be an anesthesiologist. In Sweden, the anesthesiologist is one of the most highly regarded physician. The med students I met there repeatedly told me that many thought it was as stressful as neurosurgery and it was very competitive to get an anesthesiology residency.

In terms of perioperative physicians, the anesthesiologists there were responsible for not only the PACUs, ORs and ICUs(they are all ICU boarded since residency is 5yrs), but also the surgical floors and ERs. The surgical floors were basically step down units. The surgeons only came to the hospital to operate so we were responsible for medically managing the patients the 1-2 days in step down before going to a hospitalist unit. The ER was different than ours since everything coming to the ER was surgical. The ER was basically two large operating rooms. There were no ED physicians at the hospital. (their urgent care was basically like our EDs). 2 anesthesiologists were assigned to the trauma pager and basically they would wheel the pt from the ambulance or helicopter to the ED operating room. So yes, I would definitely choose this specialty again and if things go sour here, I'll pack up and move to Europe 🙂

Out of curiosity, do you speak a Scandinavian language?? I realize that most of the educated over there speak some English (some very well I imagine), but how did you get by.

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