If you had to choose: UIC MD of CCOM DO

[eyebrowdoc]

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which one?

I would choose CCOM because better hospitals in chicago as opposed to living in peoria for 3 years? fk that. my parents say UIC cause its MD but they have no other reasons

 

[ericksonj15]

which one?

I would choose CCOM because better hospitals in chicago as opposed to living in peoria for 3 years? fk that. my parents say UIC cause its MD but they have no other reasons

If you were theoretically accepted to both and those were your only choices? Listen to your parents son...

 

[FxnOverload]

If you were theoretically accepted to both and those were your only choices? Listen to your parents son...

As someone who's applying MD & DO, this.

 

[SilverCat]

CCOM cost = 56,000

UIC cost (IS)= 34,000

I would choose UIC, if you're IS for IL. Lower cost and more competitive residency options would indicate UIC to be the better choice. Location shouldn't be that big of a factor; it's not like you're going to have a ton of time to explore the city, enjoy the nightlife, etc. Moreover, it's not like Downer's Grove is a swinging city.

Also, if you choose CCOM, you're going to have to deal with constant moving for clerkships, because their hospitals are scattered all over the state. You might also get stuck with a hospital or location you don't like as well.

 

[487806]

which one?

I would choose CCOM because better hospitals in chicago as opposed to living in peoria for 3 years? fk that. my parents say UIC cause its MD but they have no other reasons

Personally for me, I like UIC just because i'm not interested in OMM. It's up to you to decide what's interesting.

 

[circulus vitios]

UIC. MD > DO, even if it does come with the cost of living in a dump for at least your preclinical years.

 

[alpinism]

UIC. Getting into a good residency is more imp than your M3 rotation hospitals. OSF-St. Francis is a pretty good hospital as well. Its not like you'll be going out every week in Chicago anyway.

 

[nabilesmail]

MD > DO , why give yourself any disadvantages if you got into both? D.o. is a great option for those that have struggling GPA's etc, but I don't think you should choose it if you got into MD

 

[Flashfan]

Would you have the chance to do MS3&4 at a different campus? Indiana has a similar problem with 1/2 the people at IUSM at various campuses that aren't always appealing. Still the MS3&4 years can still be done in Indianapolis.

I wouldn't really want to be stuck in Peoria for 4 years, but I think that MD would beat DO for the cost savings alone.

 

[Doctor Strange]

Inb4 the self-righteous DO students

 

[487806]

Inb4 the self-righteous DO students

Like we even care about them. Both MD and DO are good, but some people, like me, don't believe or like OMM. So MD is the best route in this case, and I definitely recommend the MD route to anyone in this situation.

 

[notbobtrustme]

MD every single ****ing time

 

[notbobtrustme]

CCOM cost = 56,000

UIC cost (IS)= 34,000

UIC dicks you for 3rd and 4th year by charging you summer tuition, so the overall COA is relatively the same.

 

[Planes2Doc]

MD over DO... Sometimes you can't get into a school in the best of areas. I feel worse for people at IU School of Medicine Northwest, which is in all of places, Gary, Indiana! 😱

 

[circulus vitios]

UIC dicks you for 3rd and 4th year by charging you summer tuition, so the overall COA is relatively the same.

UIC administrators deserve to dragged into the streets.

 

[SilverCat]

UIC administrators deserve to dragged into the streets.

Especially considering their OOS tuition- 75,000$. 👎

 

[pandahunter]

What does your heart say?










whispers: MD.....

 

[maxwellwest]

UIC has two tracks that you could end up in the UPR (Urbana, Rockford, Peoria) tract and the Chicago one (directly downtown). The vast majority ~75% end up at the Chicago location where they will remain for all 4 years. If you are in the UPR tract you do your first year in Urbana and then either get moved up to Peoria or Rockford for M2-M4.

As others have stated if those are your two options go UIC all the way! And if you end up in Chicago you get to rotate through cook county hospital which most students have found to be one of the best places in the city to rotate at!

 

[Plue00]

MD......... without a question

 

[Bacchus]

DO here... go to UIC. Unless you're absolutely certain you do not want to pursue a competitive specialty.

 

[La Presse]

md......... Without a question

+1

 

[Ost3oclast]

MD every single ****ing time

Yep. Unless you have extenuating family circumstances.

 

[hallowmann]

which one?

I would choose CCOM because better hospitals in chicago as opposed to living in peoria for 3 years? fk that. my parents say UIC cause its MD but they have no other reasons

Listen to everyone else here. On one side: a perception of better hospitals, on the other: parents, slightly less difficulty in getting competitive residencies, cheaper tuition, etc. Seems simple.

 

[WhovianDO]

Inb4 the self-righteous DO students

Like we even care about them. Both MD and DO are good, but some people, like me, don't believe or like OMM. So MD is the best route in this case, and I definitely recommend the MD route to anyone in this situation.

No DO love. Damn.

Go MD, no reason not to unless you just really really want to learn OMM.

 

[Anicetus]

 

[DrBowtie]

OSF-St Francis is a pretty legit hospital as well.

 

[whatbout2morrow]

Not even close. If the OP was set on primary care, and this thread was "full-ride at CCOM vs UIC", then perhaps you would see some people say DO. But in this case, I'm sure mostly everyone would tell the OP to go to UIC.

 

[Ost3oclast]

Soon.

 

[487806]

No DO love. Damn.

Go MD, no reason not to unless you just really really want to learn OMM.

Don't get me wrong. I love DO students/residents like you and Bacchus, and I strongly believe that the pre-osteo students are much more mature and professional than preallo students, but I just don't agree with OMM philosophy. Hence, it is why I encourage people to pursue MD when given a chance.

 

[SilverCat]

Don't get me wrong. I love DO students/residents like you and Bacchus, and I strongly believe that the pre-osteo students are much more mature and professional than preallo students, but I just don't agree with OMM philosophy. Hence, it is why I encourage people to pursue MD when given a chance.

+1

I know at CCOM, you'll be in OMM lab four days a week, for a couple hours a day. Given that few DOs actually incorporate OMM into their practice, many students feel that this is a time- killer that detracts from studying the other subjects.

I don't know about the maturity bit, though. Many DO schools are nontraditional- student friendly, so you may just have an older student body, who would naturally be more mature.

 

[willen101383]

Don't get me wrong. I love DO students/residents like you and Bacchus, and I strongly believe that the pre-osteo students are much more mature and professional than preallo students, but I just don't agree with OMM philosophy. Hence, it is why I encourage people to pursue MD when given a chance.

MS4 DO here. Yeah but pre DO students are exceedingly annoying with their rabid DO support nonsense. More mature...yes I def agree. But dont pay any attention to them as they havent even experienced any school yet. I dont think any DO student at my level or beyond would be encouraging anyone to go DO unless they had to. Granted, I thought my rotation sites were more than adequate, and have no concerns over matching in the spring, why anyone would want to deal with OMM is beyond me.

 

[willen101383]

+1

I know at CCOM, you'll be in OMM lab four days a week, for a couple hours a day. Given that few DOs actually incorporate OMM into their practice, many students feel that this is a time- killer that detracts from studying the other subjects.

I don't know about the maturity bit, though. Many DO schools are nontraditional- student friendly, so you may just have an older student body, who would naturally be more mature.

No. I am 29 and I am one of the oldest people in my class. Most are still in their early 20s. I think pre DOs are just humbled and happy to be going to med school, and dont have the entitled attitude that many pre MD students have. And that sucks about CCOM. PCOM had us in OMM lab for a total of 1 hour a week. Maybe 1 lecture a week tops, and like 1/8th of the class went.

 

[WhovianDO]

Don't get me wrong. I love DO students/residents like you and Bacchus, and I strongly believe that the pre-osteo students are much more mature and professional than preallo students, but I just don't agree with OMM philosophy. Hence, it is why I encourage people to pursue MD when given a chance.

Just curious, but what about the OMM philosophy do you not agree with? You can PM me if you prefer. 😉

P.S. I am more than honored to be put in the same category as Bacchus. Lol. (Nothing to do with being DO)

 

[notbobtrustme]

No DO love. Damn.

Go MD, no reason not to unless you just really really want to learn OMM.

Given how few DOs actually OMM says something about what the profession thinks of OMM.

MD opens so many more doors than DO in every case unless you want to be an OMM specialist (hint, you don't), Even low-tier MD school match lists are light-years ahead of DO match lists. Unless you are literally taking care of your dying mother/father, then take the MD acceptance every time.

 

[WhovianDO]

Given how few DOs actually OMM says something about what the profession thinks of OMM.

MD opens so many more doors than DO in every case unless you want to be an OMM specialist (hint, you don't), Even low-tier MD school match lists are light-years ahead of DO match lists. Unless you are literally taking care of your dying mother/father, then take the MD acceptance every time.

I haven't started med school yet, so I have no idea what benefits OMM may have. But that's not my question. I asked what about the PHILOSOPHY he didn't agree with.

I also say go for the MD, but for some if us it's not an option. I don't feel like I'm at a disadvantage. And I'm actually super excited about learning certain parts if OMM.

 

[Planes2Doc]

I don't get why so many DOs are against OMM. As a PCP doing OMM, you can bill for it as a separate procedure. This means that there is the possibility of greater earning potential as a DO doing family medicine.

 

[Bacchus]

Just curious, but what about the OMM philosophy do you not agree with? You can PM me if you prefer. 😉

P.S. I am more than honored to be put in the same category as Bacchus. Lol. (Nothing to do with being DO)

Why do you love me so?

 

[Bacchus]

I don't get why so many DOs are against OMM. As a PCP doing OMM, you can bill for it as a separate procedure. This means that there is the possibility of greater earning potential as a DO doing family medicine.

I'm not against it. You're at an advantage as an allopathic student in the match. I'm not only required to do OMM in residency, since I entered through the AOA and not ACGME match, but I was planning on doing it.

 

[Didierdrogba]

I don't get why so many DOs are against OMM. As a PCP doing OMM, you can bill for it as a separate procedure. This means that there is the possibility of greater earning potential as a DO doing family medicine.

+1

A lot of DO students are a little bit bitter about OPP, because some techniques are pretty dubious, and if they got into an MD school they would not have to learn it. IMHO, much of OPP is pretty legit too.
When it comes to the PHILOSOPHY, however, it is just a sales pitch.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

which one?

I would choose CCOM because better hospitals in chicago as opposed to living in peoria for 3 years? fk that. my parents say UIC cause its MD but they have no other reasons

DO is a great option for many students and the pathway produces fine physicians, but CCOM is like the most expensive DO school to attend dude. On top of that, the cost of living in Downer's Grove is really high, and the suburbs have bad traffic. Yeah, you are closer to downtown Chicago, but a) you should probably be studying anyway, b) Peoria is a good place, it's not some backwater hick town, and c) St. Francis Medical Center is a good hospital with a bunch of in-house residency programs.

 

[notbobtrustme]

I haven't started med school yet, so I have no idea what benefits OMM may have. But that's not my question. I asked what about the PHILOSOPHY he didn't agree with.

The philosophy is just feel-good spiel.

I also say go for the MD, but for some if us it's not an option. I don't feel like I'm at a disadvantage. And I'm actually super excited about learning certain parts if OMM.

In some fields, you aren't at a disadvantage, but if you discover a love for a competitive field, getting into that field as a DO is just that much harder. Not to mention that you may have to study for 2 board exams and other associated crap (eg COMLEX 2 CS equivalent only offered in a couple cities vs Step 2 CS offered in several major cities).

 

[WhovianDO]

The philosophy is just feel-good spiel.



In some fields, you aren't at a disadvantage, but if you discover a love for a competitive field, getting into that field as a DO is just that much harder. Not to mention that you may have to study for 2 board exams and other associated crap (eg COMLEX 2 CS equivalent only offered in a couple cities vs Step 2 CS offered in several major cities).

Hehehe. I like a challenge! 🙂

 

[487806]

Just curious, but what about the OMM philosophy do you not agree with? You can PM me if you prefer. 😉

P.S. I am more than honored to be put in the same category as Bacchus. Lol. (Nothing to do with being DO)

Too lazy to explain and not wanting to hijack this thread into another MD vs. DO (this time philosophically) debate, but from Wikipedia:

The use of osteopathy is not always based on science, and there is little evidence that osteopathy is effective in treating any medical condition other than lower back pain

I know, not really the best quote I could find, but I'm too lazy to identify specific problems of OMM. I guess I'm mad at A.T. Still for unnecessarily creating a separate faction. 😛

 

[WhovianDO]

Too lazy to explain and not wanting to hijack this thread into another MD vs. DO (this time philosophically) debate, but from Wikipedia:



I know, not really the best quote I could find, but I'm too lazy to identify specific problems of OMM. I guess I'm mad at A.T. Still for unnecessarily creating a separate faction. 😛

Oh god please lets not do the DO vs. MD thing. Lol. I was just curious. Doesn't matter either way to me. Ha.

 

[487806]

Oh god please lets not do the DO vs. MD thing. Lol. I was just curious. Doesn't matter either way to me. Ha.

It's actually way more subtle. Most premeds focus on the actual stat differences between DO and MD (because they suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect). I'm actually looking into problems of the OMM philosophy itself (hey Still found problems of allopathic medicine, but that doesn't mean his alternative is perfect). Unfortunately, it's beyond the mental capacity of what most premeds can handle before their heads explode.