Would you deny service to a medical malpractice lawyer in any situation except trauma? What about a cop who gave you a speeding ticket for going 50 in a 45?
If you were a doctor.....
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This is rediculous. For you even to think that makes me question your motives for medicine.
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Maybe you should be Pre-Vet then 😉
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I actually have a friend who got out of a "driving without insurance" ticket when he accidentally gave the cop his med student ID card instead of the drivers license. The cop let him go , saying "theres 2 types of people i dont give ticket to: other cops and doctors. Now go get yourself some insurance"
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Haha, I think out of spite everyone would LOVE to do exactly that. Just like out of spite we say things like "I'M GOING TO RUN AWAY. THEN you'll REALLY be sorry" to our parents when we're 5.
But we're big kids now, and we know better than that. =)
But we're big kids now, and we know better than that. =)
Nice. I'll have to remember to do that in addition to crying on demand whenever a cop pulls me over.
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OP,
Lawyers and cops need love too.
Lawyers and cops need love too.
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On a random note, "If I were a doctor, I wouldn't have to write any more essays about why I want to be a doctor."
Also, why assume that all medical malpractice lawyers are evil? There could be one or two genuinly out to help patients. Of course, I could also recieve acceptances to everywhere I applied tomorrow. Anything's possible.
Also, why assume that all medical malpractice lawyers are evil? There could be one or two genuinly out to help patients. Of course, I could also recieve acceptances to everywhere I applied tomorrow. Anything's possible.
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No. If anything, I'd give the cop extra attention and try to score one of those stickers that gets you out of speeding tickets. Maybe get the lawyer to help me with a will or something.
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Hmm ... I believe you take some type of 'oath.' Honestly you can't deny treatment to anyone, nor should anyone want to. You are a Dr, you treat the patient no matter what.
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Keep your personal life and professional life as far away from each other as possible.
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If your mom was found dismembered in a dumpster a few weeks later and that cop didn't care, would you blame him?
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That's absurd. Doctors don't treat cops, or lawyers, or murderers, or rapists, or priests, or cheerleaders, or goths, or addicts. They treat patients. If you're able to draw the line, then, yes, you may be at your core supremely human, but sometimes doctors just don't get to be human. Sometimes they have to be better than that.
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Even if it involves treating a drunk driver that killed a family member in a crash? (just a hypothetical situation)
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If its a life or death situation, yes. If I could refer the patient, I might. But I'm not sure of the legality on that. You're bound by law to treat the patient, atleast in an emergency situation afaik.
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Why assume all docs AREN'T evil?
I have personal knowledge of a med malpractice case where the patient died during a routine test and the docs KNEW it was an anesthesia mistake but they wouldn't even speak to the patient's wife to tell her he had died, let alone HOW. It was the med malpractice attorney who dug out the explanation and got her some closure (and a very, very small sum of money with a much more important apology for how the docs treated her after her husband's death).
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You're not a judge, jury, or executioner.
You're a doctor.
You treat patient who need it. Period.
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Yes. I have no studies or statistics to back me up, but common sense would say that the chances of being sued when treating a malpractice lawyer are fairly high. I see no reason to harm all the other patients whom I will not be able to treat by spending my time in court. In an emergent situation, since I would be bound by law, I would treat anyone, although perhaps I would have difficutly treating a drunk driver who just ran over my family.
This is stupid. The cop is enforcing the law, which you broke. Yes I would treat him.
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Cop, of course I'd treat him - one, because I'm very pro-LEO, and two, because a speeding ticket doesn't even begin to approach the life-affecting significance of a damn lawsuit.
No offense intended to you two kind gentlemen (or ladies and gentlemen, or hermaphrodites, or whatever you are since I didn't look at your profiles), but this is why I don't typically see very eye-to-eye with my more idealistic fellow premedders. Doctors are human, too, and given a less-than-life-threatening situation, well...
**** him. Michael Vick needs the potassium content of all the world's bananas stuffed right in his goddamn heart. The same is true for the idiots that tied that dog up to a tree, gave him a gasoline shower, and lit him up - you bet your ass I'd go out of my way in a professional setting to stay as far away from those martians as possible.
Regarding that oath comment, that's right - and the oath typically includes something about not causing harm. I'm pretty sure a 180gr. .40 s&w round to the forehead is "harm," so maybe it's best I stay away from them. Wouldn't want to screw up my oath, y'know.
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i wouldn't deny him service...i would just "slam his body against the ground" and then "soak him with water and electrocute him"
eye for an eye and all that fun stuff...
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uh...that's just not true. you take no oath that says "i will treat everyone, no matter what." the oath says "do no harm."
doctors choose not to treat patients all the time. doctors frequently tell patients to find another doctor if, for whatever reason, they no longer want to treat a certain patient. maybe the patient is rude, or doesn't pay, or any other of a million reasons.
so, yes, if a person is not about to die in front of you, you absolutely can choose not treat someone. no law or oath says otherwise.
Its good to see you guys feel so strongy about doing the right thing. You guys will make great doctors one day. The reason why I brought this up is because most of the seminars my parents attend, this question is brought up, and most doctors who have had law suits that, even though they may have done nothing wrong and were given the ruling in their facor, have decided not to treat any malpractice lawyers.
So even though now it seems unjust to us to not treat them as a normal patient, we really haven't been through the full experience to make that decision. I guess.
And by the way, i never stated in the first place what I would do, before I had half of you out there judging me. Shows your true mentality.
And i just threw in the whole speeding ticket thing cuz I really hate cops even though my brother is one. All they care about is their salary.
So even though now it seems unjust to us to not treat them as a normal patient, we really haven't been through the full experience to make that decision. I guess.
And by the way, i never stated in the first place what I would do, before I had half of you out there judging me. Shows your true mentality.
And i just threw in the whole speeding ticket thing cuz I really hate cops even though my brother is one. All they care about is their salary.
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You want justice? Is it just that you will have to tell some of your radiation patients (or whatever), "oh, too bad, I cant give you therapy this week, I have to been in court?" They chose their profession, and I have no obligation to treat them. Their entire livlihood is based around the idea of screwing me (and yes, there are just malpractice lawsuits, but the giant ones that make the news are usually absurd.) I am a doctor, not a saint.
Thats the most idiotic comment ive ever heard. Do you know what NYC cops are paid? They could make the exact same amount going into sanitation, and not get shot at. They make a pittance for what they actually do.
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Well, that's not entirely true. You have every right to decline to enter into a physician-patient relationship with anybody as well as to terminate your relationship with an existing patient (as long as you provide emergency care for 30 days and make appropriate referrals when you discharge them). Of course this does not apply in emergent care settings.
To answer the question- definitely not. But if you chose not to, you'd be well within your legal rights. Perhaps it would be an ethical violation in the eyes of the AMA, but that's about it.
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Agreed. I've already mini-ranted about idealism and such, so I'll not even touch this one.
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i wouldn't deny him service...i would just "slam his body against the ground" and then "soak him with water and electrocute him"
eye for an eye and all that fun stuff...
I'm glad we all got the "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty speech" wait...nevermind 🙄
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There was an episode of Touched by an Angel many years ago that dealt with this. Gerald McRaney (I think that's his name) played some kind of surgeon who had to decide whether or not to operate on this guy who had some kind of life-or-death-can't-wait-until-another-doctor-is-found situation. The thing is, a few years back the guy had been driving while drunk and had hit and killed all (five?) of the doc's kids. I still remember this as one of the most wrenching hours of television I have ever watched...it was just heartbreaking. Good writing and good acting made it so believable that by the end, I was just wrapped up on the couch absolutely destroyed, and I'm not usually like that.
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some of you are childish yet vicious enough to make me want to become a med malpractice lawyer.
sheesh, why aren't you asking if others would treat anyone on a med malpractice review board? or the CLIENT/PLAINTIFF who sued a doc?
honestly, how many of you would bet your child's life that there's no doc out there who deserves to be sued? that no patient EVER has a right to sue a doc?
what a bunch of vindictive crybabies
sheesh, why aren't you asking if others would treat anyone on a med malpractice review board? or the CLIENT/PLAINTIFF who sued a doc?
honestly, how many of you would bet your child's life that there's no doc out there who deserves to be sued? that no patient EVER has a right to sue a doc?
what a bunch of vindictive crybabies
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Dude garbagemen in NYC get paid pretty damn well. The only downside are rats. I'd rather be shot in my vest than lose my finger to a filthy rat.
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They certainly seem to go on strike often enough. They went on one in the middle of last summer, if I remember correctly. What a time to not have garbage men in the city...
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gosh, sounds like justification to refuse to treat garbagemen
I wasn't arguing not to treat them. I was arguing about why they get paid so much. They lobby for it, and they're necessary.
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I would have no problems referring a patient to someone else if I think we won't get along or the patient won't cooperate with my advice/treatment. It's better for both parties involved.... But the examples you've stated are ridiculous reasons for not treating someone.
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So if you don't treat them because you have a personal issue with the patient, then refer them to someone else and something happens in the process; that isn't doing harm?? Don't take it word for word literally. If the patient is there, you treat them; no matter what.
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I dont even know what these boards do. AFAIK, medical malpractice works the same as every other civil case. Plantiff files a lawsuit, they go before the judge, judge tries to avoid trial, case procedes.
Suing a doctor once wont stop me from treating you, but a pattern of behavior sure will. Or if you sue me personally, or one of my friends. I dont have to treat you, and I wont.
There are patients that are right to sue their doctors. I think my parents should sue a doctor they brought my brother to. He misdiagnosed him, which is understandable as several other doctors did the same. He also gave my brother a dose of steroids that left him on the floor for a week. My mother, concerned asked a family friend who is a cardiac anaethesiologist, and he said he would not give such a large dose to a 300 pound adult man. So yes, there are reasonable lawsuits. But most people sue based on outcome, not malpractice, and juries often find awards in the same manner.
*shrug* Ill refer these patients to you then. I wont lose any sleep over it. After being hit with a 10 million dollar lawsuit because of your patient's pain and suffering, you might not sleep so well.
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As will I. Maybe we'll practice together and tie little bows around all sorts of people for him as we person-turf 'em over.
JaggerPlate brought up a very good point...If you we're to refer a patient to another doctor because you didn't care to help them. Let's say for instance, this patient was widely known for a single lawsuit against a doctor that won them millions of dollars, all because they hired a great lawyer. Let's say you didn't even bother to diagnose them, you just reffered them to another MD, and they died a week later, just days before they were scheduled to see another doctor, due to a systemic hemorrhage that resulted, because nobody noticed they had some autoimmune disorder. Would you feel guilty? Would you even just question yourself?
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If you ever reach that point, you're going to take every person that dies from your care so personally that you will loose your effectiveness as a doctor because you're always covering your tail.
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course not.
malpractice lawyers pay cash.
I wouldnt deny anyone treatment based on their career choice, but as for patients who have filed malpractice claims, I would avoid them like the plague. Not because I morally object to them, just cuz i dont wanna get sued.
malpractice lawyers pay cash.
I wouldnt deny anyone treatment based on their career choice, but as for patients who have filed malpractice claims, I would avoid them like the plague. Not because I morally object to them, just cuz i dont wanna get sued.
I wouldn't refuse treatment to either of persons you mentioned. However, I would refuse treatment to the bastard who used to beat on my mother. Even in an emergency situation, I would just as soon let him die.
At least if a drunk driver kills your family, it's accidental, not that that makes it any easier to bear. Someone who is a perpetuator of domestic violence knows exactly what they're doing, and does so intentionally. I differentiate between the two.
At least if a drunk driver kills your family, it's accidental, not that that makes it any easier to bear. Someone who is a perpetuator of domestic violence knows exactly what they're doing, and does so intentionally. I differentiate between the two.
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I'd treat the cop if it's fairly serious then go to court to challenge the ticket, which would mean the cop would have to show up to present his side of the case. At which point he'd feel like a d-bag for trying to make a 50 in a 45 stick on the guy who just saved his butt, and probably let me win the damn case.
Actually, I'd win it anyway, since most radar guns are only accurate to +/- 5mph anyway, so a 50 in a 45 is a worthless ticket anyway, which is also why cops don't usually give you a 50 in a 45. Well, unless they have the latest laser gear or whatever, then you're screwed lol.
As for the medmal lawyer I guess it'd depend on whether he'd just sued me or an innocent friend. Truth is though, most of the time people sue just to find out what happened as mentioned before, so just be open when you mess up and you usually won't get sued, lol.
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I think it depends on the cop though, cuz they slashed the starting salary for the newer cops but some of the cops that have been around for a while get a pretty sweet salary and pension package.
But most of the younger cops out there are getting really horrible pay =(
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Drunk driving is not an accident. They choose to drink, they choose to get behind the wheel. I think that drunk driving is punished far too lightly in our society. Its the best way to kill someone, and you will hardly be punished.
Are you serious? Have you not heard how many drunk drivers are sentenced manslaughter and at the least attempted manslaughter and sentenced to years in prison? The justice system is fine for these perpetrators, it just doesn't treat doctors as well as it should.
And i'm also sorry if i believe that there are corrupt cops out there, and way to many of them that abuse they're power.
