In-state preference in California?

[TheRhymenocerous]

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So as not to completely hijack another topic, I was hoping to start another conversation about in-state preference (or lack thereof) at California schools. @gyngyn posted a statement from UCI's website saying that they do not give preference to in-state students. The MSAR, though, shows that they interviewed 4.5% of out-of-state applicants and 11% of in-state applicants. Isn't that demonstrative of some sort of preferential treatment for California applicants? Could the in-state and out-of-state applicant pools really be different enough to warrant that kind of disparity? All thoughts/hypotheses/baseless conjectures welcome.

 

[BillrothI]

UC Davis, UCSD, and UCSF give in-state preference. However, the other CA schools may interview more in-state students for two reasons: 1) they know that the quality of education at the UCs is excellent and 2) the UCs generally produce very competitive applicants. I would suspect that a CA resident who went to college OOS would not have the same advantage as a CA resident who went to one of the UCs or USC, but that's just speculation.

Hope that helps.

-Bill

 

[gyngyn]

So as not to completely hijack another topic, I was hoping to start another conversation about in-state preference (or lack thereof) at California schools. @gyngyn posted a statement from UCI's website saying that they do not give preference to in-state students. The MSAR, though, shows that they interviewed 4.5% of out-of-state applicants and 11% of in-state applicants. Isn't that demonstrative of some sort of preferential treatment for California applicants? Could the in-state and out-of-state applicant pools really be different enough to warrant that kind of disparity? All thoughts/hypotheses/baseless conjectures welcome.

We oughtta take this outside.

 

[Goro]

What were the acceptance rates?

So as not to completely hijack another topic, I was hoping to start another conversation about in-state preference (or lack thereof) at California schools. @gyngyn posted a statement from UCI's website saying that they do not give preference to in-state students. The MSAR, though, shows that they interviewed 4.5% of out-of-state applicants and 11% of in-state applicants. Isn't that demonstrative of some sort of preferential treatment for California applicants? Could the in-state and out-of-state applicant pools really be different enough to warrant that kind of disparity? All thoughts/hypotheses/baseless conjectures welcome.

 

[TheRhymenocerous]

What were the acceptance rates?

MSAR doesn't appear to give acceptance rates. All I can see is that of those interviewed, 19% of in-staters and 16% of out-of-staters matriculate. That works out to a total of 2.1% of IS applicants and 0.7% of OOS applicants matriculating. I don't think that says anything about actual acceptance rates, though.

 

[caffeinemia]

So as not to completely hijack another topic, I was hoping to start another conversation about in-state preference (or lack thereof) at California schools. @gyngyn posted a statement from UCI's website saying that they do not give preference to in-state students. The MSAR, though, shows that they interviewed 4.5% of out-of-state applicants and 11% of in-state applicants. Isn't that demonstrative of some sort of preferential treatment for California applicants? Could the in-state and out-of-state applicant pools really be different enough to warrant that kind of disparity? All thoughts/hypotheses/baseless conjectures welcome.

You need to do a do a Chi Squared and see if there are statistically significant differences. You should look into the total n and whether you can assume that the candidates have randomly and normally distributed qualifications (can some one fact check the accuracy of that last statement?). I think this project would be a great asset to your application. 😉

 

[Goro]

Let's take UCSF as an example, because I need to make this quick and get into the lab.

IS applied ~3600
IS interviewed 347
IS accepted 135

OOS applied 3600
OOS interviewed 152
OOS accepted 29

I'd say that ISer's have an advantage. 29 out of a Class of 165 is from instate. Numbers paint a similar picture for UCLA.

As I like to point out, state schools favor the home team. It doesn't help that a state has an already exceptional pool of applicants, and a locale that people want to be in!

MSAR doesn't appear to give acceptance rates. All I can see is that of those interviewed, 19% of in-staters and 16% of out-of-staters matriculate. That works out to a total of 2.1% of IS applicants and 0.7% of OOS applicants matriculating. I don't think that says anything about actual acceptance rates, though.

 

[C@lidoc]

UCSF has a 50/50 acceptance rate for in state and out state.

 

[C@lidoc]

This is post interview

 

[breakintheroof]

Let's take UCSF as an example, because I need to make this quick and get into the lab.

IS applied ~3600
IS interviewed 347
IS accepted 135

OOS applied 3600
OOS interviewed 152
OOS accepted 29

I'd say that ISer's have an advantage. 29 out of a Class of 165 is from instate. Numbers paint a similar picture for UCLA.

As I like to point out, state schools favor the home team. It doesn't help that a state has an already exceptional pool of applicants, and a locale that people want to be in!

Interesting points, though the acceptances you've listed are actually matriculated numbers. @C@lidoc is correct that the post-interview acceptance rate ends up being similar for IS and OOS, with the OOS yield a lot lower.

Still a significantly higher interview and overall acceptance rate for IS. I believe they say they do not have a state residency preference. I'd say that preference may be in the eye of the beholder.

 

[MaybeDr]

To be fair how do we know that those were interview offers extended or whether they were interviews attended? That is the trouble I had with interpreting that data point.

For those of you that think its the same thing, one should consider the cost of flying across the nation and how many people can afford that. It seems stupid but it could have an effect. Some people may have been invited for an interview and declined because they already got accepted to a school that they were interested in etc.. The point is that there are too many variables to conclude anything definitive from this data.

 

[sunnysnow7]

I thought UCSF explicitly stated that they give IS preference? To my knowledge, UCLA, UCI, and USC are the only CA schools that purport NOT to give IS preference.

 

[Psai]

So as not to completely hijack another topic, I was hoping to start another conversation about in-state preference (or lack thereof) at California schools. @gyngyn posted a statement from UCI's website saying that they do not give preference to in-state students. The MSAR, though, shows that they interviewed 4.5% of out-of-state applicants and 11% of in-state applicants. Isn't that demonstrative of some sort of preferential treatment for California applicants? Could the in-state and out-of-state applicant pools really be different enough to warrant that kind of disparity? All thoughts/hypotheses/baseless conjectures welcome.

What makes you think that california applicants and out of state applicants are of the same quality? There's a reason that schools across the US are filled with people who talk about how they went to "cal" or how they never saw snow before

 

[gyngyn]

I thought UCSF explicitly stated that they give IS preference? To my knowledge, UCLA, UCI, and USC are the only CA schools that purport NOT to give IS preference.

Off the top add Loma Linda and Stanford.
When you compare UCLA and UCSD, the proportions of IS and OOS matriculants are essentially identical although only UCLA explicitly indicates no IS preference.
UCR was built on a mandate of production of physicians for the IE, so that's definitely an IS preference.
UCD is the only school with any mission component including service to the SJ Valley. This might reasonably translate to some IS preference.

CA medical schools have the largest pool of IS candidates in the US.
It would take 14 new medical schools with 100 seats each to capture the CA applicants who were good enough to get in to OOS schools.
Imagine how many more would be needed for the "acceptable" candidates who got in nowhere?

 

[C@lidoc]

I thought UCSF explicitly stated that they give IS preference? To my knowledge, UCLA, UCI, and USC are the only CA schools that purport NOT to give IS preference.

I interviewed and was accepted at UCSF. The dean told us that it's slightly harder to get a secondary/interview OOS but after that no preference is given. They just have a higher yield for IS.

 

[Psai]

I interviewed and was accepted at UCSF. The dean told us that it's slightly harder to get a secondary/interview OOS but after that no preference is given. They just have a higher yield for IS.

It makes sense cause the people in cali are more likely to stay in cali