In state vs. out of state

[guptek]

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What is a better option: in-state, not so highly rated (western univ) or out of state (ohio state)? Going to an instate school will allow me to make connections in cali which will help me find a job once i graduate. but ohio has a higher ranking, which will help when applying for residencies. So then what is a better choice?

Any response will be appreciated!

 

[bananaface]

Moving to pre-pharm, as this is a school choice question. 🙂

 

[Dr.Biassi]

What is a better option: in-state, not so highly rated (western univ) or out of state (ohio state)? Going to an instate school will allow me to make connections in cali which will help me find a job once i graduate. but ohio has a higher ranking, which will help when applying for residencies. So then what is a better choice?

Any response will be appreciated!

Ranking doesn't have a big impact on residencies in pharmacy. You need to consider other factors too. Am I going to move back to Cali once I graduate? Cost? family, friends? Well Ohio whether is pretty much cold. Well think about it

 

[eelo]

What is a better option: in-state, not so highly rated (western univ) or out of state (ohio state)? Going to an instate school will allow me to make connections in cali which will help me find a job once i graduate. but ohio has a higher ranking, which will help when applying for residencies. So then what is a better choice?

Any response will be appreciated!

Given the choice, I'd probably go with in-state, for two specific reasons: (1) tuition rates will be much better, and (2) you stand a better chance of getting accepted at an in-state institution; that's their purpose.

Really, the "higher rated" notation isn't worth so much. In my opinion, it's nothing more than clever marketing. Once you finish and get your license, I don't really think it matters where you went to school; PharmD is PharmD is PharmD.

 

[KellyBean]

Western is a private school, so tuition is probably about the same for the OP if not more expensive for going to Western. Cost of living in California is also more expensive, but if the OP wants to practice in California after getting the PharmD, then staying in a school in California seems to be a better choice. I think if you get good grades, it will help you get into a residency program no matter what school you go to.

 

[anh80]

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[guptek]

well western is not that highly rates whereas ohio is the top 11th i think.....

 

[fmbzp5]

have you been accepted to both or asking about applying?

 

[guptek]

i have been accepted to western n i got interview call from ohio

 

[abt04]

i have been accepted to western n i got interview call from ohio

just to let you know if you havent already. california schools are incredibly expensive. i chose Nova (FL) over Touro(CA) for 2 reasons- one is that one is accredited and one is not yet, and the other is cost. although im from Ca, the cost of a cali school is about 50 to 55k a year versus nova is 40k (being out of state). so if anything i think Ohio may be cheaper.

 

[Jack555]

just to let you know if you havent already. california schools are incredibly expensive. i chose Nova (FL) over Touro(CA) for 2 reasons- one is that one is accredited and one is not yet, and the other is cost. although im from Ca, the cost of a cali school is about 50 to 55k a year versus nova is 40k (being out of state). so if anything i think Ohio may be cheaper.

I don't know what costs you are including but Cali schools range from UCSD (17,000) to the highest I've seen of Western at 36,000. I haven't checked out Touro but Id say the average rate would be around $33,000 for private schools.

 

[fmbzp5]

I don't know what costs you are including but Cali schools range from UCSD (17,000) to the highest I've seen of Western at 36,000. I haven't checked out Touro but Id say the average rate would be around $33,000 for private schools.

I assume they are adding in living costs etc also.

 

[drcase2011]

Yeah, pharmacy school ranks are insignificant... If you plan to work in Cali, then stay in Cali.. Definitely a better career move than going to Ohio.

 

[abt04]

I don't know what costs you are including but Cali schools range from UCSD (17,000) to the highest I've seen of Western at 36,000. I haven't checked out Touro but Id say the average rate would be around $33,000 for private schools.

yea i am including living expenses which is an extra 15 to 20k. afterall, most people would be dealing with living expenses if they arent living at home. and to clarify for some people, i am talking about the private schools in california.

 

[guptek]

Yeah, pharmacy school ranks are insignificant... If you plan to work in Cali, then stay in Cali.. Definitely a better career move than going to Ohio.

western does not have a med school vs. ohio does. ppl say that ts easier to get rotations when u have a med school as part of ur univ. western has to pay hospitals to let their students intern. how much does that matter towards getting a good residency match? moreover how does this whole matching thing work? do they assign u to a particular hospital based on wht school u went to? (one of the things they consider)??

 

[Farmercyst]

western does not have a med school vs. ohio does. ppl say that ts easier to get rotations when u have a med school as part of ur univ. western has to pay hospitals to let their students intern. how much does that matter towards getting a good residency match? moreover how does this whole matching thing work? do they assign u to a particular hospital based on wht school u went to? (one of the things they consider)??

It may be competitive to obtain, but I'd say that there are enough hospitals in SoCal to support most of the pharmacists at USC, Western, LLU, and UCSD that are interested.

 

[fmbzp5]

western does not have a med school vs. ohio does. ppl say that ts easier to get rotations when u have a med school as part of ur univ. western has to pay hospitals to let their students intern. how much does that matter towards getting a good residency match? moreover how does this whole matching thing work? do they assign u to a particular hospital based on wht school u went to? (one of the things they consider)??

I was told about locations starting to charge schools for the students that come in for rotations.

As for the rotations, the schools are limited to using preceptors that have been evaluated and approved. Those individuals that are going to schools with a large class have to remember their choices will be more limited on what sites they can choose from.

For example I will be attending the University of Michigan. 65-75 is the size of the incoming class. I was told they have over 450 preceptors to choose from making it much easier to get into locations that each student wishes to pursue (over 250 in the area of the school alone)

When interviewing at Midwestern University in Glendale AZ the student class is 130-140ish and it was said several times that the class is large so they can't accommodate everyone. One applicant actually asked if it was possible to stay in state to do all of the rotations and was told that a very good reason needed to be submitted in writing explaining why out of state rotations were not possible. Personally that turned me off.


If you have several acceptances, it is best to further explore what is the best fit personally for future goals.

 

[Farmercyst]

For example I will be attending the University of Michigan. 65-75 is the size of the incoming class. I was told they have over 450 preceptors to choose from making it much easier to get into locations that each student wishes to pursue (over 250 in the area of the school alone)

When interviewing at Midwestern University in Glendale AZ the student class is 130-140ish and it was said several times that the class is large so they can't accommodate everyone. One applicant actually asked if it was possible to stay in state to do all of the rotations and was told that a very good reason needed to be submitted in writing explaining why out of state rotations were not possible. Personally that turned me off.


If you have several acceptances, it is best to further explore what is the best fit personally for future goals.

Along these lines, my student interviewer at USC was a fourth year, so I asked her about rotations. She said they have tons of preceptors and if there is an area of pharmacy that you are interested in they will pretty much evaluate anyone you submit as a possible preceptor so that you can have a rotation in the desired area. Sounds like another benefit of the Trojan family, tons of alumni in all sorts of areas.

 

[fmbzp5]

Along these lines, my student interviewer at USC was a fourth year, so I asked her about rotations. She said they have tons of preceptors and if there is an area of pharmacy that you are interested in they will pretty much evaluate anyone you submit as a possible preceptor so that you can have a rotation in the desired area. Sounds like another benefit of the Trojan family, tons of alumni in all sorts of areas.

That is what michigan said also about their large number of locations. That a lot of alumni offer themselves as preceptors.

in the situation of USC (I know nothing about) that would be a huge perk to attend as opposed to a school that offers few options.

 

[acetyl]

Ohio State told me at my interview that after your first year, you could receive in-state tuition rates. I believe they were listed as about $17,000 less than the out-of-state rates, which is a lot of money times 3. I also know that OSU had plenty of residency opportunities posted on the whatever website it's called, mainly due to the shear size of the medical center there.

While I do not know if it's guaranteed about the tuition, I can tell you I was interviewed by the dean of college, and the words about the in-state tuition came out of his mouth. That pretty much guaranteed it in my book.

I don't know anything about the other school you're asking about, but if you prefer to live in CA, then by all means...live there. It's cold in Columbus sometimes, but the student center gym they have is SWEET!!

 

[guptek]

bare with my ignorance...but what is a preceptor?

 

[guptek]

does any one know how many students from western go on to doing residency and if they get placed at good hospitals???

 

[guptek]

one last question...shud i just go to the interviw (ohio) for now and think abt it later...

 

[fmbzp5]

one last question...shud i just go to the interviw (ohio) for now and think abt it later...

I would go to the interview and be placed in the position to have to think about which school to choose if you are accepted.


A preceptor is the individual you work under during the rotations. they guide you on the site and the projects you have to do for that rotation.

 

[Farmercyst]

I would go to the interview and be placed in the position to have to think about which school to choose if you are accepted.


A preceptor is the individual you work under during the rotations. they guide you on the site and the projects you have to do for that rotation.

The preceptor is your supervisor/mentor while on rotation. No preceptor, no rotation. A lack of preceptors makes it hard to provide rotations to students, which is why having a large alumni base you can trust to guide you through the rotations properly can give the school flexibility in offering rotation sites. I know Western places you in a pharmacy in both your first and second semesters, I would imagine if they've got enough locations to put the class in P1 year, they probably have enough locations for P4, the difference will be the diversity. If they have 140 students and 90 preceptors in retail and 70 in some form of inpatient/hospital setting, you may not have certain specialties represented or probably more accurate, underrepresented (pediatrics, oncology, nuclear, psychiatric, organ transplantation, etc.) This means if you are interested in one of these fields you would probably have to do an internship to get experience if a rotation site is not available, and without a rotation in that area someone else's application for the internship would likely be more competitive than yours.

 

[fmbzp5]

The preceptor is your supervisor/mentor while on rotation. No preceptor, no rotation. A lack of preceptors makes it hard to provide rotations to students, which is why having a large alumni base you can trust to guide you through the rotations properly can give the school flexibility in offering rotation sites. I know Western places you in a pharmacy in both your first and second semesters, I would imagine if they've got enough locations to put the class in P1 year, they probably have enough locations for P4, the difference will be the diversity. If they have 140 students and 90 preceptors in retail and 70 in some form of inpatient/hospital setting, you may not have certain specialties represented or probably more accurate, underrepresented (pediatrics, oncology, nuclear, psychiatric, organ transplantation, etc.) This means if you are interested in one of these fields you would probably have to do an internship to get experience if a rotation site is not available, and without a rotation in that area someone else's application for the internship would likely be more competitive than yours.

I want to add that even if a location is represented, if there are so many students, the chances of getting that location is also very difficult.

 

[jesterman]

does any one know how many students from western go on to doing residency and if they get placed at good hospitals???

I asked this question at the interview and the faculty member said about 30% from the last class went on to do a residency and that they really encourage that there.

 

[guptek]

are any of you guys considering going to western??