In what specialties is it important to do in-field research for matching?

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I'm about to matriculate into a program where students do a year of dedicated research and have to begin considering mentors now. I know some fields appreciate research regardless of the study subject, while some prefer the research is related to the speciality. For example, nephro might like that I did a study on bone cancer, while derm wouldn't care as much because it isn't derm related. I guess the question is, what are the other "derm" fields? Rad onc? Ortho? Uro? Thanks.

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Also ENT, optho, IR, plastics, integrated CT surg (in addition to derm, ortho, uro, neurosurg, and rad onc)
Do people end up gunning for these fields from day 1 then? What about cards or GI? Or is that not a concern until residency?
 
During Med school? Or residency?
I dont know about GI, but for the surgical subspecialties people take research years during medical school to hammer out some research in the field they are interested in. The best time is after step, and possibly core rotations.
 
I think you’ve got the idea. Derm, Rad-Onc, and any field that involves surgery that you match directly into besides General Surgery.
 
Do people end up gunning for these fields from day 1 then? What about cards or GI? Or is that not a concern until residency?

You can, but most don’t gun for GI/Cards. You’ll magically see a bunch of guys who thought Ortho and girls thinking various thinks like Ophtho/Derm, etc. switch to IM at the end of third year which makes up probably a third of the allopathic pool. No one is really gung-ho about IM in M1-2.

Overall if you want to do either of these (Cards/GI) I strongly recommend you still gun like your friends and I didn’t realize this and wish I could go back so I could at least be in the top 40%. When applying to residencies I noticed the fellowship match list to Cards and GI were substantially better at top places for no good reason. I’m not saying mid tier applicants don’t match at top programs because they do but the difference in research effort is substantial. On one hand, the top tier resident can get away with doing one abstract and match MD Anderson for Heme-Onc whereas a mid tier needs a better application overall (research, letters mainly...test scores don’t count except your step 1/CK which are used as cut offs and I don’t believe they’re that high). Also maybe I’m repeating myself from other threads more than I should, but academic IM (code for programs PDs respect when it comes to fellowships) are competitive. People who match top 20-30 in IM would have easily had the grades and scores to match RDS (rad-onc, derm, surgical subspecialties). I would say matching a solid mid tier (Cedars, OSU, Indiana, Jefferson, etc.) is just as difficult if not more difficult than matching into a good gen surg, em, or radiology program.

Oh yeah, in terms of research for GI/Cards being your original question, every bit helps come fellowship time but as the first step is getting IM residency, the research topic is less substantial but keep in mind that quality research is literally a pre-req for most top 20ish places for IM.
 
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You can, but most don’t gun for GI/Cards. You’ll magically see a bunch of guys who thought Ortho and girls thinking various thinks like Ophtho/Derm, etc. switch to IM at the end of third year which makes up probably a third of the allopathic pool. No one is really gung-ho about IM in M1-2.

Overall if you want to do either of these (Cards/GI) I strongly recommend you still gun like your friends and I didn’t realize this and wish I could go back so I could at least be in the top 40%. When applying to residencies I noticed the fellowship match list to Cards and GI were substantially better at top places for no good reason. I’m not saying mid tier applicants don’t match at top programs because they do but the difference in research effort is substantial. On one hand, the top tier resident can get away with doing one abstract and match MD Anderson for Heme-Onc whereas a mid tier needs a better application overall (research, letters mainly...test scores don’t count except your step 1/CK which are used as cut offs and I don’t believe they’re that high). Also maybe I’m repeating myself from other threads more than I should, but academic IM (code for programs PDs respect when it comes to fellowships) are competitive. People who match top 20-30 in IM would have easily had the grades and scores to match RDS (rad-onc, derm, surgical subspecialties). I would say matching a solid mid tier (Cedars, OSU, Indiana, Jefferson, etc.) is just as difficult if not more difficult than matching into a good gen surg, em, or radiology program.

Oh yeah, in terms of research for GI/Cards being your original question, every bit helps come fellowship time but as the first step is getting IM residency, the research topic is less substantial but keep in mind that quality research is literally a pre-req for most top 20ish places for IM.

You'd say top 30 programs all have kids with elite scores? Considering how many people usually make up a new IM class that sounds like quite a few...
 
You'd say top 30 programs all have kids with elite scores? Considering how many people usually make up a new IM class that sounds like quite a few...

Point taken. We all like to talk about how competitive our fields are and it’s not like everyone has an elite score. I would say they’re definitely above average with an average of 240/250ish. It’s also a lot about AOA, 3rd year honors. letters, school name, and a lot of other things out of your control. IM is a bit antiquated in that way. Ortho and Derm care about Step 1, AOA, and Research. EM seems to weight CK and SLOEs heavily. Competitive IM looks at Step 1/2, Honors in 3rd year, Class Rank, and Letters.
 
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You'd say top 30 programs all have kids with elite scores? Considering how many people usually make up a new IM class that sounds like quite a few...

BU lists their current intern class as having an average of 243/254. Not everyone has high scores because there are other factors, for example, coming from a top med school will cut you some slack. But not everyone in the competitive fields do either, just on average they are high.
 
You can, but most don’t gun for GI/Cards. You’ll magically see a bunch of guys who thought Ortho and girls thinking various thinks like Ophtho/Derm, etc. switch to IM at the end of third year which makes up probably a third of the allopathic pool. No one is really gung-ho about IM in M1-2.

Overall if you want to do either of these (Cards/GI) I strongly recommend you still gun like your friends and I didn’t realize this and wish I could go back so I could at least be in the top 40%. When applying to residencies I noticed the fellowship match list to Cards and GI were substantially better at top places for no good reason. I’m not saying mid tier applicants don’t match at top programs because they do but the difference in research effort is substantial. On one hand, the top tier resident can get away with doing one abstract and match MD Anderson for Heme-Onc whereas a mid tier needs a better application overall (research, letters mainly...test scores don’t count except your step 1/CK which are used as cut offs and I don’t believe they’re that high). Also maybe I’m repeating myself from other threads more than I should, but academic IM (code for programs PDs respect when it comes to fellowships) are competitive. People who match top 20-30 in IM would have easily had the grades and scores to match RDS (rad-onc, derm, surgical subspecialties). I would say matching a solid mid tier (Cedars, OSU, Indiana, Jefferson, etc.) is just as difficult if not more difficult than matching into a good gen surg, em, or radiology program.

Oh yeah, in terms of research for GI/Cards being your original question, every bit helps come fellowship time but as the first step is getting IM residency, the research topic is less substantial but keep in mind that quality research is literally a pre-req for most top 20ish places for IM.

Thanks for the write-up, it is definitely something I need to think about. For reference, the program I'm matriculating into is top 20. The main thing I'm debating is sticking with my current lab, which does pulmonary host-pathogen work, or switching into into a lab that will gives me better odds for something like derm. I have an interest in pulmonary, ID, and GI, but don't want to limit myself either. I guess the main issue is I know I can be really productive in the pulm lab, as I was already able to pump out a first author and some middle author basic sciences papers.

Thanks for the insight though.
 
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