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Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the MS program in basic medical sciences at New York Medical College. I suppose you guys would call it an SMP? I was accepted and want to know if people think it's a good program as a GPA booster for med school. It's a 2 year degree granting program. I haven't seen much about it on this postbac thread. Is that better than those certificate granting programs, etc.

any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Hi Apple,

There are a number of two year MS programs at NYMC; Cell Bio, Physiology, Pharmacology, among others, but what most people delve into is the broader MS in Biomedical Sciences; this last one is okay for job market and resumes, but the majority of the students in the program are in it for purposes of applying to Medical School; I am doing this, but I am in Physiology.

Approximately 1/3 of the students in the program perform at a level that would warrant their admission at a US medical school - there is not much in the way of statistics regarding matriculation rates, undergrad GPAs, MCAT and grad GPA, but a solid 30% or so get accepted to MD. The one issue I take with the MS at NYMC is that there are no linkages offered, which kinda sucks. The teaching faculty are incredible, you have a lot of opportunities to become involved in research (which med schools love to see,) and there are a number of graduate student organizations you can become involved in. WCMC (the hospital,) has volunteer opportunities as well.

Overall, the MS at NYMC, if you do well in your classes, is a good choice for strengthening the application for medical school - the two year time frame offers ample flex-time in your schedule to remain involved in extracurriculars, shadow, research, volunteer, etc.
 
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the MS program in basic medical sciences at New York Medical College. I suppose you guys would call it an SMP? I was accepted and want to know if people think it's a good program as a GPA booster for med school. It's a 2 year degree granting program. I haven't seen much about it on this postbac thread. Is that better than those certificate granting programs, etc.

any help would be greatly appreciated!
I got accepted to traditional (2-year) Interdisciplinary BMS Program. I have tried searching on SDN but there weren't many threads in regards to NYMC post-bac programs. Even the few that were on here (last one dated 2008!) were related to accelerated interdisciplinary BMS (1yr) program.

Has anyone successfully matriculated into medical school recently after completing the trad. track. If so, I would really appreciate any input so I can finally make a decision. Also, is their med school accepting more people from this program? (I know there is no guarantee but statistically speaking...). I would really like to stay in NY to be closer to family

Thanks a bunch!
 
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I got accepted to traditional (2-year) Interdisciplinary BMS Program. I have tried searching on SDN but there weren't many threads in regards to NYMC post-bac programs. Even the few that were on here (last one dated 2008!) were related to accelerated interdisciplinary BMS (1yr) program.

Has anyone successfully matriculated into medical school recently after completing the trad. track. If so, I would really appreciate any input so I can finally make a decision. Also, is their med school accepting more people from this program? (I know there is no guarantee but statistically speaking...). I would really like to stay in NY to be closer to family

Thanks a bunch!


I was rotating in a lab at NYMC to potentially work in as a graduate student; a fair number of the students who were at the time in the 2 year MS programs there, had told me that they would be continuing the following year there as MD students.
 
Trying to decide which would be better...(need to improve my academic record and MCAT)

1) NYMC MS - Basic Medical Sciences (Traditional) - 2 years
2) BU MAMS - 2 years
3) Drexel - IMS and then probably MMS
 
Trying to decide which would be better...(need to improve my academic record and MCAT)

1) NYMC MS - Basic Medical Sciences (Traditional) - 2 years
2) BU MAMS - 2 years
3) Drexel - IMS and then probably MMS

BU MAMS is certainly more reputable than the program at NYMC, but the two programs offer the students different things in different environments, for sure - so it depends what you want or what you feel is an ideal situation. I know more about NYMC than BU MAMS, so be aware of this.

Location: BU is urban, NYMC is suburban, but only 35 minutes by train to Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan.

For starters, BU and NYMC both require biochemistry and physiology. At BU, cell bio is required, with histology as an available elective. At NYMC, you are required to take either cell biology or histology; if you take histology, cell bio is not required, BUT may also be taken as an elective (I think), and vice versa. The cool thing is, NYMC also offers an elective in cellular physiology, so you could theoretically take histology to satisfy your core requirements, and then take cellular physiology as the elective instead of cell biology...cell bio has a lower course number than cell biology, so even though the two are really the same discipline, cell physiology would make you appear to be challenging yourself through more advanced coursework.

At BU, you will take courses with medical students. At NYMC, you do not take medical school courses, but the courses are taught by medical school faculty, and the course content is about the same but obviously less emphasis is given to the clinical elements in the non-medical school courses. Faculty at NYMC have said that the content between their medical student lectures vs. graduate student lectures differs by only 10-15%.

Both programs allow you to take courses in pharmacology, neuroscience, pathology, histology. I think you can also take immunology in the BMS at NYMC, but do not quote me on that.

BU will also require you to take biostatistics and Biomedical Informatics (computational systems in biology and medicine) - NYMC does not require, but does offer biostatistics to those who are interested. Biomedical informatics is not as useful in preparing you for medical school - it's an interesting discipline, but having some background in it certainly wouldn't separate the men from the boys in medical school, nor would it give you an edge when applying, unless you plan on doing research in this field while in medical school or if you are planning on doing MD-PhD.

BU, however, does offer more clinical/translational opportunities through its curriculum than does NYMC (i.e., courses in clinical trial management, clinical applications of human genetics, clinical research seminars, etc. This is not to say that you couldn't find similar opportunities to learn these things while at NYMC, it just isn't built into NYMC curriculum is all.

Another interesting point that is not so obvious: BU MAMS is a flock of pre-meds, basically. Not everyone at NYMC is doing the MS for purposes of going to medical school. Some people are doing it to improve their job credentials, some are doing it to demand higher pay at work, some are doing it to be more competitive in the job market (lab management, research associate, teaching, medical admin/clerical, etc) and some are doing it because they have tuition remission through their employer. That being said, a substantive (at least 50%,) number of students are doing this for the sole purpose of applying to medical school, so these people will be aiming high, and this means competition. The point I am driving at, is that although you will be competing for good grades wherever you go, you will not be competing against everyone at NYMC. You will be at BU, however. NYMC is less competitive, on average, but the course work is still challenging - here, competitive is meant to describe your peers, as opposed to your classwork. Courses are challenging at both, competition is less at NYMC than at BU.
I have been told, that of the MS students at NYMC that intend to continue their studies in medical school, about 1/3 do well enough in their studies to be considered competitive. The community at NYMC is small, which is good for building relationships with professors. I am sure if you do well in the program at NYMC, have an MCAT 32+ and good letters from faculty in the program, you could very well land an interview at NYMC.

Both schools have strong research opportunities, so this should not be a distinguishing factor. I think both schools require some research or review article as part of their respective programs.

I am not sure what the community at BU is like, but student activities/organizations of the medical school at NYMC do not preclude graduate students from participation; I am involved with a medical school organization at NYMC, and obviously there are graduate school student organizations as well, which masters students can become involved in.

Obviously, you can do shadowing if you are in either program - the great thing about the two year MS's vs. the 1 year SMP's is you have the flexibility in your schedule to get involved in volunteering, student clubs, research and shadowing, which is valuable if these areas of your application need strengthening.

Having a car is helpful if you are at NYMC; probably not as much of a necessity in boston.

There are no linkages for students in the MS programs at NYMC. I cannot comment about the other programs though.
 
Wow this was really helpful! Thanks so much for taking the time to post a reply. I will definitely be thinking hard in the next few days...
 
BU MAMS is certainly more reputable than the program at NYMC, but the two programs offer the students different things in different environments, for sure - so it depends what you want or what you feel is an ideal situation. I know more about NYMC than BU MAMS, so be aware of this.

Location: BU is urban, NYMC is suburban, but only 35 minutes by train to Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan.

For starters, BU and NYMC both require biochemistry and physiology. At BU, cell bio is required, with histology as an available elective. At NYMC, you are required to take either cell biology or histology; if you take histology, cell bio is not required, BUT may also be taken as an elective (I think), and vice versa. The cool thing is, NYMC also offers an elective in cellular physiology, so you could theoretically take histology to satisfy your core requirements, and then take cellular physiology as the elective instead of cell biology...cell bio has a lower course number than cell biology, so even though the two are really the same discipline, cell physiology would make you appear to be challenging yourself through more advanced coursework.

At BU, you will take courses with medical students. At NYMC, you do not take medical school courses, but the courses are taught by medical school faculty, and the course content is about the same but obviously less emphasis is given to the clinical elements in the non-medical school courses. Faculty at NYMC have said that the content between their medical student lectures vs. graduate student lectures differs by only 10-15%.

Both programs allow you to take courses in pharmacology, neuroscience, pathology, histology. I think you can also take immunology in the BMS at NYMC, but do not quote me on that.

BU will also require you to take biostatistics and Biomedical Informatics (computational systems in biology and medicine) - NYMC does not require, but does offer biostatistics to those who are interested. Biomedical informatics is not as useful in preparing you for medical school - it's an interesting discipline, but having some background in it certainly wouldn't separate the men from the boys in medical school, nor would it give you an edge when applying, unless you plan on doing research in this field while in medical school or if you are planning on doing MD-PhD.

BU, however, does offer more clinical/translational opportunities through its curriculum than does NYMC (i.e., courses in clinical trial management, clinical applications of human genetics, clinical research seminars, etc. This is not to say that you couldn't find similar opportunities to learn these things while at NYMC, it just isn't built into NYMC curriculum is all.

Another interesting point that is not so obvious: BU MAMS is a flock of pre-meds, basically. Not everyone at NYMC is doing the MS for purposes of going to medical school. Some people are doing it to improve their job credentials, some are doing it to demand higher pay at work, some are doing it to be more competitive in the job market (lab management, research associate, teaching, medical admin/clerical, etc) and some are doing it because they have tuition remission through their employer. That being said, a substantive (at least 50%,) number of students are doing this for the sole purpose of applying to medical school, so these people will be aiming high, and this means competition. The point I am driving at, is that although you will be competing for good grades wherever you go, you will not be competing against everyone at NYMC. You will be at BU, however. NYMC is less competitive, on average, but the course work is still challenging - here, competitive is meant to describe your peers, as opposed to your classwork. Courses are challenging at both, competition is less at NYMC than at BU.
I have been told, that of the MS students at NYMC that intend to continue their studies in medical school, about 1/3 do well enough in their studies to be considered competitive. The community at NYMC is small, which is good for building relationships with professors. I am sure if you do well in the program at NYMC, have an MCAT 32+ and good letters from faculty in the program, you could very well land an interview at NYMC.

Both schools have strong research opportunities, so this should not be a distinguishing factor. I think both schools require some research or review article as part of their respective programs.

I am not sure what the community at BU is like, but student activities/organizations of the medical school at NYMC do not preclude graduate students from participation; I am involved with a medical school organization at NYMC, and obviously there are graduate school student organizations as well, which masters students can become involved in.

Obviously, you can do shadowing if you are in either program - the great thing about the two year MS's vs. the 1 year SMP's is you have the flexibility in your schedule to get involved in volunteering, student clubs, research and shadowing, which is valuable if these areas of your application need strengthening.

Having a car is helpful if you are at NYMC; probably not as much of a necessity in boston.

There are no linkages for students in the MS programs at NYMC. I cannot comment about the other programs though.
This is really helpful, thanks so much!

I know you said that you aren't in the two year interdisciplinary program, but of the things you know about it, would you say most students live on campus or in the nearby towns? Is it true that you would need a car to get to a supermarket?

When you say about a 1/3 acceptance rate into medical school, do you mean that this statistic comes from a reliable source?


Thank you again
 
This is really helpful, thanks so much!

I know you said that you aren't in the two year interdisciplinary program, but of the things you know about it, would you say most students live on campus or in the nearby towns? Is it true that you would need a car to get to a supermarket?

When you say about a 1/3 acceptance rate into medical school, do you mean that this statistic comes from a reliable source?


Thank you again

Hello,

Most of the MS students do not live on campus - MS students basically get last dibs when it comes to on-campus housing, after all the professional degree (MD or PhD) students, and MAYBE (not 100% certain on this) the allied health students.

It is wise to have a car, if you live on campus, to get to a supermarket - though I am sure you wouldn't be the first to bum a ride off someone with a car also going to the supermarket. If living off campus, needing a car becomes a balancing act of "how far is the walk to school" and "how far is the walk to other things (market, laundromat, etc)" - I will be living about a 20 minute drive from campus, so I'll need a car. To be honest, anything not within a few mile radius of campus, you'll need a car. Winters in New York Metro have been unpredictable in the past decade, and a bike just doesn't cut in in the winter. Also, by this point, most of the off campus housing (with basic amenities like a kitchen....don't get me started on how many people are renting out room in an apartment with no access to kitchen...sometimes bathroom....absurd) within walking distance of the school is no longer vacant. Accommodations in Valhalla are scarce, and westchester is anything but cheap - so you're either driving/busing/biking OR paying an exorbitant rent this year if you haven't already secured housing....but fortunately, it's one or the other, and seldom both.

So take this with a grain of salt, but I trust my advisor. He's a good guy, and we've actually held 3 years of correspondence before I applied to the MS program. My advisor had explained, that 1/3 of the students doing the MS for purposes of applying to medical school, do well enough in the program to be considered competitive. I do not know if this necessarily translates to a 33% acceptance into medical school or not, or if it only pertains to being considered a competitive applicant to NYMC's MD program. However, I will not assert that 33% of students in the program (intending to go to medical school) get accepted to NYMC SoM, because that doesn't seem reasonable conclusion to draw. Whatever the case is, it's refreshing to know that if you put forth the effort and do well in the MS, your medical school application will draw positive attention when it may otherwise have not.
 
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