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[vannguyen]

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I asked this in the AMCAS 2012 thread but didn't get a lot of responses, so I figured I'd make a new thread about it.

I was given disciplinary action after my friend was caught with my clicker during an in-class clicker quiz. Though it was removed from my transcript, I still have to explain it to AMCAS. I would really appreciate your opinion on what I have so far:

On April 4, 2011, I allowed a fellow student to substitute for me during an in-class clicker quiz. I was on campus for my previous class when I started feeling ill. My friend met me in class, and I asked him to take my clicker so that I may go home. There is no excuse for my actions. I understand that it was truly disrespectful to the university, to academic integrity, and, most importantly, to the professor. I cannot imagine the frustration and inconvenience that I caused, but I take full responsibility for my behavior. Though I regret that this incident occurred, I am sincerely grateful it happened. It put into perspective the amount of work that I had put forth during my four years at LSU towards my career as a future physician. This unexpected event was an ultimately beneficial experience. Experience is the best teacher, and I appreciate the lessons I have learned from this mistake.

Thanks for your help!

 

[mauberley]

I asked this in the AMCAS 2012 thread but didn't get a lot of responses, so I figured I'd make a new thread about it.

I was given disciplinary action after my friend was caught with my clicker during an in-class clicker quiz. Though it was removed from my transcript, I still have to explain it to AMCAS. I would really appreciate your opinion on what I have so far:

On April 4, 2011, I allowed a fellow student to substitute for me during an in-class clicker quiz. I was on campus for my previous class when I started feeling ill. My friend met me in class, and I asked him to take my clicker so that I may go home. There is no excuse for my actions. I understand that it was truly disrespectful to the university, to academic integrity, and, most importantly, to the professor. I cannot imagine the frustration and inconvenience that I caused, but I take full responsibility for my behavior. Though I regret that this incident occurred, I am sincerely grateful it happened. It put into perspective the amount of work that I had put forth during my four years at LSU towards my career as a future physician. This unexpected event was an ultimately beneficial experience. Experience is the best teacher, and I appreciate the lessons I have learned from this mistake.

Thanks for your help!

For what it's worth, I didn't post a reply in that thread because I thought sector9's response was adequate.

 

[SeminoleVesicle]

I asked this in the AMCAS 2012 thread but didn't get a lot of responses, so I figured I'd make a new thread about it.

I was given disciplinary action after my friend was caught with my clicker during an in-class clicker quiz. Though it was removed from my transcript, I still have to explain it to AMCAS. I would really appreciate your opinion on what I have so far:

Thanks for your help!

Contrary to most people here, I wouldn't report it. Two reasons why:

1) Your student records are protected by FERPA, and as long as the IA does not appear on your transcript, schools will never find out about it unless you waive your rights.

2) Your application will AUTOMATICALLY be put in a separate pile, which will instantly put your application at a disadvantage compared to the thousands of other students with clean sheets.

I understand it's important to be honest, but before that I think you need to have common sense if you really want to get into medical school.

 

[enTropeeeeeeeee]

I asked this in the AMCAS 2012 thread but didn't get a lot of responses, so I figured I'd make a new thread about it.

I was given disciplinary action after my friend was caught with my clicker during an in-class clicker quiz. Though it was removed from my transcript, I still have to explain it to AMCAS. I would really appreciate your opinion on what I have so far:

On April 4, 2011, I allowed a fellow student to substitute for me during an in-class clicker quiz. I was on campus for my previous class when I started feeling ill. My friend met me in class, and I asked him to take my clicker so that I may go home. There is no excuse for my actions. I understand that it was truly disrespectful to the university, to academic integrity, and, most importantly, to the professor. I cannot imagine the frustration and inconvenience that I caused, but I take full responsibility for my behavior. Though I regret that this incident occurred, I am sincerely grateful it happened. It put into perspective the amount of work that I had put forth during my four years at LSU towards my career as a future physician. This unexpected event was an ultimately beneficial experience. Experience is the best teacher, and I appreciate the lessons I have learned from this mistake.

Thanks for your help!

I'm not an ADCOM, so my following comments will come directly from word-of-mouth. I agree that experience is an excellent teacher. We should all learn from mistakes and value the lessons that we learn. However, LizzyM has stated that IA due to cheating is usually a deal breaker. For example, we all make mistakes in life and sometimes it's good to make mistakes. If we treat our family members with disrespect, you could realize your poor attitude/behavior and learn from it. You can grow and mature as a person. Afterall, we are an accumulation of our experiences. However, LizzyM has said before that IA is like committing murder in academia. Although you learn from your actions, you have caused permanent damage that is beyond reparation. I don't know you, so I certainly cannot comment on your personal situation. However, I do know the experience of being pre-med and feel for your situation. I hope things work out well for you! Good luck!

 

[LizzyM]

Contrary to most people here, I wouldn't report it. Two reasons why:

1) Your student records are protected by FERPA, and as long as the IA does not appear on your transcript, schools will never find out about it unless you waive your rights.

2) Your application will AUTOMATICALLY be put in a separate pile, which will instantly put your application at a disadvantage compared to the thousands of other students with clean sheets.

I understand it's important to be honest, but before that I think you need to have common sense if you really want to get into medical school.

I guess you are saying that if the OP has already cheated on a quiz, he might as lie about it too, as long as no one finds out about the lie.

OP: In the third sentence, I'd say "...so I could go home and still receive credit for being present." Then I'd put in a sentence about how what you had done was discovered. Then I'd add a sentence about what the school did to punish you. Then I'd close with "I learned a lesson from this experinece and will strive to be honest in all my dealings going forward." To me as you've written it , you are light on details and heavy on the breast beating which seems just to be telling us over & over what you think we want to hear.

 

[Jarudy]

I'm not an ADCOM, so my following comments will come directly from word-of-mouth. I agree that experience is an excellent teacher. We should all learn from mistakes and value the lessons that we learn. However, LizzyM has stated that IA due to cheating is usually a deal breaker. For example, we all make mistakes in life and sometimes it's good to make mistakes. If we treat our family members with disrespect, you could realize your poor attitude/behavior and learn from it. You can grow and mature as a person. Afterall, we are an accumulation of our experiences. However, LizzyM has said before that IA is like committing murder in academia. Although you learn from your actions, you have caused permanent damage that is beyond reparation. I don't know you, so I certainly cannot comment on your personal situation. However, I do know the experience of being pre-med and feel for your situation. I hope things work out well for you! Good luck!

Also stated multiple times is the fact that while LizzyM is absolutely amazing for this site and has fantastic, firsthand advice that is priceless, she is an adcom at one school. While many other adcoms will share her views on IA, not all is lost at ALL schools. Like all applications, weaknesses can be compensated for by strengths in your application. Best of luck!

 

[SeminoleVesicle]

I guess you are saying that if the OP has already cheated on a quiz, he might as lie about it too, as long as no one finds out about the lie.

With all due respect, yes.

Everyone knows that committing an academic violation is very serious, and even though this was very minor, it is still considered cheating. It's easy to say you learned from the experience, because that's what you HAVE to say. I'm not saying you will be rejected if you do choose to report it, but you need to investigate your resources and consequences before reporting your violation. I sincerely hope it works out for you.

 

[flatearth22]

Contrary to most people here, I wouldn't report it. Two reasons why:

1) Your student records are protected by FERPA, and as long as the IA does not appear on your transcript, schools will never find out about it unless you waive your rights.

2) Your application will AUTOMATICALLY be put in a separate pile, which will instantly put your application at a disadvantage compared to the thousands of other students with clean sheets.

I understand it's important to be honest, but before that I think you need to have common sense if you really want to get into medical school.

Agree 100% with this.

Adcoms won't find out and you're essentially wasting a lot of time and money if you put this because some schools will automatically screen you out if not make it harder for you to get a secondary/interview.

Med School admissions is a game, OP. Play to win. Don't give them an inch especially since nothing on your record says it and there's no way they'll ever know.

 

[LizzyM]

Contrary to most people here, I wouldn't report it. Two reasons why:

1) Your student records are protected by FERPA, and as long as the IA does not appear on your transcript, schools will never find out about it unless you waive your rights.

2) Your application will AUTOMATICALLY be put in a separate pile, which will instantly put your application at a disadvantage compared to the thousands of other students with clean sheets.

I understand it's important to be honest, but before that I think you need to have common sense if you really want to get into medical school.

Almost everyone who gets a committee letter or advisor letter will waive their rights. The schools often include boilerplate language about prior institutional action and pending action for that student/applicant. Just because it is not on your transcript doesn't mean it isn't in your file.

I think that the clicker thing could be a forgivable thing but lying about it would be unforgivable in the eyes of most if not all adcoms.

 

[KLycos]

I hate those fracking 50$ clickers and any professor that uses them, and they are mostly used to get attendance so just try and spin it in that light and less like you were trying to cheat. I don't know the full situation, but it seems like this isn't really an academic integrity situation.

 

[flatearth22]

Almost everyone who gets a committee letter or advisor letter will waive their rights. The schools often include boilerplate language about prior institutional action and pending action for that student/applicant. Just because it is not on your transcript doesn't mean it isn't in your file.

I think that the clicker thing could be a forgivable thing but lying about it would be unforgivable in the eyes of most if not all adcoms.

I thought waiving your rights had to do with not getting to read the LOR's? As long as it isn't on the transcript there's no way it will be available to the premed committee. All they have is your transcript, interview writeups, and any documents or letters you submitted to them to help them write your committee letter.

 

[sector9]

I, personally, am embarrassed by those posters who advocate lying on the application to get a leg up in the application process.

Good luck if you apply to a school that requires a dean's certification as part of the secondary or prior to matriculation. How do you think they would take it if they learn of your institutional action then? And even if you try to avoid applying to schools that might check, what are going to do if they made a change in their admissions policy for this year?

Consider these questions for those too dishonest to report such actions.

 

[vannguyen]

I appreciate everyone's responses. I never really considered not telling about it because it doesn't feel right at all. But I'm not going to lie, with the harsh reasons that zeppelin125 noted, I'm very conflicted at this point.

I guess you are saying that if the OP has already cheated on a quiz, he might as lie about it too, as long as no one finds out about the lie.

OP: In the third sentence, I'd say "...so I could go home and still receive credit for being present." Then I'd put in a sentence about how what you had done was discovered. Then I'd add a sentence about what the school did to punish you. Then I'd close with "I learned a lesson from this experinece and will strive to be honest in all my dealings going forward." To me as you've written it , you are light on details and heavy on the breast beating which seems just to be telling us over & over what you think we want to hear.

Thank you for your response, LizzyM. I've only been on studentdoctor.net sparsely, but it seems everyone can vouch for you. Should I mention that the quiz was less than 1% of my total grade? To me, that sort of sounds like an excuse or somehow downplaying the severity of it. Also, the punishment was 6% off my total grade because that was the total grade of the clickers + the clicker quizzes, but I ended up still making an A in the class. Should I mention the latter or is that not necessary.

Agree 100% with this.

Adcoms won't find out and you're essentially wasting a lot of time and money if you put this because some schools will automatically screen you out if not make it harder for you to get a secondary/interview.

Med School admissions is a game, OP. Play to win. Don't give them an inch especially since nothing on your record says it and there's no way they'll ever know.

How positive are you and zeppelin125 sure that adcoms won't find out? When and where would I waive my rights? I know that I waived my rights to the LSU pre-med committee already.

 

[HINKLO]

Almost everyone who gets a committee letter or advisor letter will waive their rights. The schools often include boilerplate language about prior institutional action and pending action for that student/applicant. Just because it is not on your transcript doesn't mean it isn't in your file.

Is this the primary reason schools are wary of people who don't turn in a committee letter? What if someone doesn't pursue a committee letter and discloses their institutional action on their own?

Should I mention that the quiz was less than 1% of my total grade?

No excuses.

 

[SeminoleVesicle]

I thought waiving your rights had to do with not getting to read the LOR's? As long as it isn't on the transcript there's no way it will be available to the premed committee. All they have is your transcript, interview writeups, and any documents or letters you submitted to them to help them write your committee letter.

I believe you need to waive your rights for a committee letter. Obviously, this fact should be considered in OP's case, in which reporting it would be in your best interest. Cheating is cheating. In a process of selling yourself, don't voluntarily offer up any information that could hurt you.

 

[Jarudy]

I, personally, am embarrassed by those posters who advocate lying on the application to get a leg up in the application process.

This cannot be overstated.

 

[Suncrusher]

The schools often include boilerplate language about prior institutional action and pending action for that student/applicant. Just because it is not on your transcript doesn't mean it isn't in your file.

o damn

I, personally, am embarrassed by those posters who advocate lying on the application to get a leg up in the application process.

o damn

 

[flatearth22]

I, personally, am embarrassed by those posters who advocate lying on the application to get a leg up in the application process.

Good luck if you apply to a school that requires a dean's certification as part of the secondary or prior to matriculation. How do you think they would take it if they learn of your institutional action then? And even if you try to avoid applying to schools that might check, what are going to do if they made a change in their admissions policy for this year?

Consider these questions for those too dishonest to report such actions.

Don't apply/attend interviews/matriculate at those schools? Better to self select against very few number of schools requiring a Dean's certification where a minor mishap like this might cause major trouble then to self report to ALL schools that you have institutional action taken against you and pretty much just sabotage your application altogether.

OP - you know that what you did was wrong and you owned up to it. You payed your due with whatever the prof/department did. Now do yourself a favor and don't unnecessarily call a penalty on yourself.

 

[flatearth22]

I believe you need to waive your rights for a committee letter. Obviously, this fact should be considered in OP's case, in which reporting it would be in your best interest. Cheating is cheating. In a process of selling yourself, don't voluntarily offer up any information that could hurt you.

This is essentially what the thread boils down to. It's really easy for the Moral Police here on Pre-Allo to tell someone else to essentially ruin his chances to med school by unnecessarily reporting something but please, for a second, look at it from their point of view and their goal of practicing medicine.

 

[Suncrusher]

Don't apply/attend interviews/matriculate at those schools? Better to self select against very few number of schools requiring a Dean's certification where a minor mishap like this might cause major trouble then to self report to ALL schools that you have institutional action taken against you and pretty much just sabotage your application altogether.

👎 More schools than you think require a committee letter if at all possible and ask you on secondaries why you didn't obtain one if your school offers that service

 

[SeminoleVesicle]

This cannot be overstated.

That's all and nice, but you're not the one making the decision. OP, if you waived your rights, report it.

 

[sector9]

👎 More schools than you think require a committee letter if at all possible and ask you on secondaries why you didn't obtain one if your school offers that service

I'm sure that schools will be convinced by the "I didn't want to expose my full academic record to the premed committee" argument

 

[macsta]

How did you get caught cheating with a clicker?

 

[theWUbear]

I'm not an ADCOM

she is an adcom at one school.

people are not adcoms. adcoms are admissions committees. people are on adcoms

 

[flatearth22]

👎 More schools than you think require a committee letter if at all possible and ask you on secondaries why you didn't obtain one if your school offers that service

Dean's Certification =/= Committee Letter.

The only school I can even think of off the top of my head that requires a Dean's Certification Letter is WUSTL and unless you have a 3.8+ and 36+ you shouldn't even bother applying there.

 

[Suncrusher]

Dean's Certification =/= Committee Letter.

No kidding. The difference is irrelevant in this convo since they both usually require you to waive your rights and they would both include language about institutional actions. And at my school, I think the committee has access to things the dean would have access to, although I have no idea whether this would be true at other schools.

 

[flatearth22]

No kidding. The difference is irrelevant in this convo since they both usually require you to waive your rights and they would both include language about institutional actions. And at my school, I think the committee has access to things the dean would have access to, although I have no idea whether this would be true at other schools.

Premed committees are so overflooded with putting together their notes from their interviews with you and looking at your transcript to even notice stuff like that. My premed committee sent in my committee letter before even getting my PI letter. OP can either call a dumb technicality on himself that no one knows but him, or play it smart and not sabotage his app and cost himself thousands of dollars.

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

Do schools really place all applications with academic punishments in a separate stack? I got a one semester probation due to my school's slightly draconian credit policy (dropped a class and went 1 credit below the minimum). That would be unfortunate if it delayed every single one of my apps....

 

[vannguyen]

Here is the updated version. One thing I didn't mention was how terrible I for putting my friend in that position because he received the same punishment that I did. I was running out of characters, but should I find a way to mention that?

On April 4, 2011, I allowed a fellow student to substitute for me during an in-class clicker quiz. I was on campus for my previous class when I started feeling ill. My friend met me in class, and I asked him to take my clicker so that I may go home and still receive credit for being present. He called me roughly thirty minutes later and said the professor had seen him with two clickers and had taken them. Later in the week, I met with the Director of Student Advocacy and Accountability and my professor to discuss my actions and my punishment. I would need to complete the online course on academic integrity, and six percent, the combined percentage of the clicker quizzes and daily clicker points, would be deducted from my total grade. There is no excuse for my actions. I understand that it was truly disrespectful to the university, to academic integrity, and to the professor, but I take full responsibility for my actions. Though I regret that this incident occurred, I am sincerely grateful it happened. It put into perspective the amount of work that I had put forth during my four years at LSU towards my career as a future physician. I learned a lesson from this experience and will strive to be honest in all my dealings going forward.

flatearth22 and zeppelin125, I sincerely appreciate your response and your willingness to argue for your stance. However, I feel that I should explain it and hope you don't think I disregarded your thoughts.

 

[flatearth22]

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flatearth22 and zeppelin125, I sincerely appreciate your response and your willingness to argue for your stance. However, I feel that I should explain it and hope you don't think I disregarded your thoughts.

Hey you gotta do what you gotta do. If you think you might be caught and/or you couldn't live with yourself if you didn't put it down then by all means mention it. Just make sure to apply BROADLY (even more broadly then you originally planned) because this sort of thing puts you out of the running at many schools, from what I've gathered around here.

 

[vannguyen]

Hey you gotta do what you gotta do. If you think you might be caught and/or you couldn't live with yourself if you didn't put it down then by all means mention it. Just make sure to apply BROADLY (even more broadly then you originally planned) because this sort of thing puts you out of the running at many schools, from what I've gathered around here.

I intend on applying to 14 schools if my FAP request goes through. You seem to have a lot of knowledge about schools, could you suggest some schools for me on this thread (that I just noticed you replied to as well haha): http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=832203

(Yes, my list is top heavy, and yes I will remove most of those.)

 

[sector9]

Premed committees are so overflooded with putting together their notes from their interviews with you and looking at your transcript to even notice stuff like that. My premed committee sent in my committee letter before even getting my PI letter. OP can either call a dumb technicality on himself that no one knows but him, or play it smart and not sabotage his app and cost himself thousands of dollars.

Looks like we can finally out flatearth as a troll. Berkeley doesn't have a premed committee letter. Sorry flatearth, you had a decent run as a troll
https://career.berkeley.edu/Medical/LetComm.stm

 

[HINKLO]

I intend on applying to 14 schools if my FAP request goes through. You seem to have a lot of knowledge about schools, could you suggest some schools for me on this thread (that I just noticed you replied to as well haha): http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=832203

(Yes, my list is top heavy, and yes I will remove most of those.)

14 is on the extreme low end for someone with a red flag like that.

 

[rHinO1]

Looks like we can finally out flatearth as a troll. Berkeley doesn't have a premed committee letter. Sorry flatearth, you had a decent run as a troll
https://career.berkeley.edu/Medical/LetComm.stm

Whether he is a troll or not doesn't matter much, he is an advocate of lying and gives horrible advice. Definitely not someone worth listening to.


OP, I had an IA and a questionable past (don't ask, I won't elaborate). But, I disclosed everything that was requested of me, and I was honest. I received multiple acceptances. In fact, the school that requested the most information from me, and heard the full extent of my negative past, still offered me an interview. I eventually declined, but my point is that you still have a shot. Start showing your past is behind you, by being 100% honest now.

 

[theWUbear]

queen boxxy makes an appearance on sdn

 

[TOcho118]

people are not adcoms. adcoms are admissions committees. people are on adcoms

same difference

 

[vannguyen]

Whether he is a troll or not doesn't matter much, he is an advocate of lying and gives horrible advice. Definitely not someone worth listening to.


OP, I had an IA and a questionable past (don't ask, I won't elaborate). But, I disclosed everything that was requested of me, and I was honest. I received multiple acceptances. In fact, the school that requested the most information from me, and heard the full extent of my negative past, still offered me an interview. I eventually declined, but my point is that you still have a shot. Start showing your past is behind you, by being 100% honest now.

Thanks for the reply, rHinO1. I already intended to explain the incident, but I suppose this is something I wanted to hear!

 

[flatearth22]

Looks like we can finally out flatearth as a troll. Berkeley doesn't have a premed committee letter. Sorry flatearth, you had a decent run as a troll
https://career.berkeley.edu/Medical/LetComm.stm

letter service functions the same way as a committee. either way they sent the cover letter before getting my PI letter.

 

[sector9]

letter service functions the same way as a committee. either way they sent the cover letter before getting my PI letter.

Letter service does not function the same way. A letter service provided by a school doesn't interview. Therefore, your cover story doesn't fly. Sorry, still a troll.

So you're trying to represent yourself as an expert on the workings of premed committee letters, you lie and state that you have a committee letter and imply you had interviews with your committee, yet your story is a complete fabrication.

Berkeley includes a form letter at the beginning of your packet stating that they don't have a committee. What's your next story?

Letter Packet: A packet or set of letters assembled and distributed by your institution, often by the institution’s career center. A Letter Packet may include a cover sheet from your pre-health committee or advisor; however, in contrast to a Committee Letter, a Letter Packet does not include an evaluative letter from your pre-health committee or advisor.

 

[SeminoleVesicle]

Letter service does not function the same way. A letter service provided by a school doesn't interview. Therefore, your cover story doesn't fly. Sorry, still a troll.

So you're trying to represent yourself as an expert on the workings of premed committee letters, you lie and state that you have a committee letter and imply you had interviews with your committee, yet your story is a complete fabrication.

Berkeley includes a form letter at the beginning of your packet stating that they don't have a committee. What's your next story?

 

[FattySlug]

On April 4, 2011, I allowed a fellow student to substitute for me during an in-class clicker quiz. I was on campus for my previous class when I started feeling ill. My friend met me in class, and I asked him to take my clicker so that I may go home and still receive credit for being present. He called me roughly thirty minutes later and said the professor had seen him with two clickers and had taken them. Later in the week, I met with the Director of Student Advocacy and Accountability and my professor to discuss my actions and my punishment. I would need to complete the online course on academic integrity, and six percent, the combined percentage of the clicker quizzes and daily clicker points, would be deducted from my total grade. There is no excuse for my actions. I understand that it was truly disrespectful to the university, to academic integrity, and to the professor, but I take full responsibility for my actions. Though I regret that this incident occurred, I am sincerely grateful it happened. It put into perspective the amount of work that I had put forth during my four years at LSU towards my career as a future physician. I learned a lesson from this experience and will strive to be honest in all my dealings going forward.

I think you should take out the bolded part. It sounds a little too fake for me. Are you seriously grateful that it happened? It put your entire apps and your future into question. I know the feeling since I got something on my record as well. You can say that you regret and learn from it but please don't say you are grateful that it happened. Best of luck to us 🙂

 

[vannguyen]

I think you should take out the bolded part. It sounds a little too fake for me. Are you seriously grateful that it happened? It put your entire apps and your future into question. I know the feeling since I got something on my record as well. You can say that you regret and learn from it but please don't say you are grateful that it happened. Best of luck to us 🙂

Yeah you're right. I think I'll say:

Though I regret that this incident occurred, it put into perspective the amount of work that I had put forth during my four years at LSU towards my career as a future physician. And for that, I am grateful.

I wish you the best of luck too!

 

[lalex]

You're screwed mate.

 

[Dr Tony T. Chopper]

People are predisposed to act in their best interest. I have not much to say except I hope you will not become my physician one day.

 

[LizzyM]

You're screwed mate.

You bumped a 5 year old thread to say that? And FYI, the OP hasn't been around in 2.5 years but did report getting an offer of admission in Nov 2011.

So much for your uninformed opinion.

 

[meeninit]

You bumped a 5 year old thread to say that? And FYI, the OP hasn't been around in 2.5 years but did report getting an offer of admission in Nov 2011.

So much for your uninformed opinion.

You have said more than once in the past that academic dishonesty and theft are automatic road blocks to medical school but yet this OP got in. Is it just that your school is strict?

 

[Psai]

It's a clicker quiz. Who cares?

 

[LizzyM]

You have said more than once in the past that academic dishonesty and theft are automatic road blocks to medical school but yet this OP got in. Is it just that your school is strict?

My school might be strict but 4 years ago in this thread, I wrote,

I think that the clicker thing could be a forgivable thing but lying about it would be unforgivable in the eyes of most if not all adcoms.

 

[meeninit]

It's a clicker quiz. Who cares?

According to an adcom on here regarding my IA (using a falsified parking pass to park) the nature of offense is what matters. Specifically I was told that "Stealing a pencil from the bookstore can be an IA. It is not the value of the item, it is the nature of the offense."

(you can find that here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...i-even-bother-applying.1172906/#post-17193827)

Alright I get it, I'm huge piece of **** who should share a jail cell with a car thief and should never be trusted to be a psychiatrist because my passion for helping youth with depression and potentially improve lives is overshadowed by this act. But I'm wondering why although the nature of OP's action is academic dishonesty, he was not treated as a typical cheater.

 

[lalex]

You bumped a 5 year old thread to say that? And FYI, the OP hasn't been around in 2.5 years but did report getting an offer of admission in Nov 2011.

So much for your uninformed opinion.

I'm sorry, I guess I'm still new to this site and clicked the title because it was interesting.