Institutional Match Violation?

[smaolo22]

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[DrBowtie]

My take? Say thanks for not wasting their time.

This happens often in small specialties where unknown to the applicants they are interviewing for 0-1 spots. They are just being transparent.

If the program and applicant both voluntarily said they would rank each other #1 then the program can take that risk.

They are going through the match so it is still All-in, but their rank list sounds like it will be one person long.

 

[rokshana]

i agree with bowtie...seems like the program currently has one spot and they plan on ranking one person...and that candidate has m/l made it known to his/her home program that they are ranking the home program #1.

frankly kudos to them for being honest to the applicants....they could have just as easily have just rejected the person....and s/he would have been left wondering what was wrong with their application (as 4th year med students are apt to do....).

however piece of advice? block out the name of the program and the author...vascular surgery is a small world...and sdn isn't as anonymous as you want to think...

 

[deleted480308]

In a small specialty you just potentially outed yourself. No, no one believes this was for a friend. Don't risk burning bridges, drop this and delete it

 

[NotAProgDirector]

It's not a match violation, at all.

The HUP Vasc Surgery program has one position. They have interviewed an internal candidate, and told them they will be ranking him #1. They have decided not to interview any further candidates - or perhaps they already interviewed some extra "just in case" candidates, and don't feel the need to interview any more. They will submit a rank list with their internal candidate #1, perhaps as their only rank. As long as they didn't force their internal candidate to commit to them, there is nothing wrong with this. HUP takes some risk that their internal candidate will match elsewhere, and they will end up in SOAP -- if so, they will likely get someone great anyway.

It would only be a match violation if they:
1. Signed a contract with him before the match.
2. Withdrew from the match, and signed a contract with him outside the match.
3. Forced him to commit to them in some way.

 

[smaolo22]

In a small specialty you just potentially outed yourself. No, no one believes this was for a friend. Don't risk burning bridges, drop this and delete it

This is a perfectly appropriate question. But thank you for your advice.

Also, don't be a bully.

 

[smaolo22]

It's not a match violation, at all.

The HUP Vasc Surgery program has one position. They have interviewed an internal candidate, and told them they will be ranking him #1. They have decided not to interview any further candidates - or perhaps they already interviewed some extra "just in case" candidates, and don't feel the need to interview any more. They will submit a rank list with their internal candidate #1, perhaps as their only rank. As long as they didn't force their internal candidate to commit to them, there is nothing wrong with this. HUP takes some risk that their internal candidate will match elsewhere, and they will end up in SOAP -- if so, they will likely get someone great anyway.

It would only be a match violation if they:
1. Signed a contract with him before the match.
2. Withdrew from the match, and signed a contract with him outside the match.
3. Forced him to commit to them in some way.

Thank you for your response, appreciate it.

 

[deleted480308]

This is a perfectly appropriate question. But thank you for your advice.

Also, don't be a bully.

You just printed a private PM from a named individual on a public message board while accusing the named individual of violating the match rules. It's bad mojo. If they are above board it looks like you are smearing someone for no reason and if they were doing something wrong you handled something very openly that could have been done with discretion. You put a specific program and guy on blast when you screenshotted their message.

This question could have been handled by saying, without screenshotting, "I got a message from a program today cancelling an interview because the program says they already found the candidate they want. Is that a match violation? Should I let this go or do something?"

I'm not bullying you, I'm trying to help you behave in a way that improves your self-preservation. Remember "they can always hurt you more". I mean how many integrated vascath applicants do you think there are? Did you think to use a username that has no connection to you? A location? And beyond that, it's not cool in this universe to be publishing private communications with names and accusations. That guy doesn't deserve a thread naming him as a potential match violation

 

[AdmiralChz]

Yeah agreed with the above - always good to leave out specific details on anonymous forums. Particularly with a very small field like Integrated Vascular Surgery (limited spots with limited numbers of competitive applicants), it might not be that difficult for someone to identify the actual applicant (whether it's you, OP, or "your friend").

With regards to this situation it certainly is unique and strange but at least they were very honest with you, would you really want to waste your time and money traveling to a place you have minimal chance to match at? Putting all of their eggs into one applicant seems like a dubious decision (it's certainly ill-advised from an applicant's perspective!) but there's nothing you can do about that decision but move on.

 

[smaolo22]

You just printed a private PM from a named individual on a public message board while accusing the named individual of violating the match rules. It's bad mojo. If they are above board it looks like you are smearing someone for no reason and if they were doing something wrong you handled something very openly that could have been done with discretion. You put a specific program and guy on blast when you screenshotted their message.

This question could have been handled by saying, without screenshotting, "I got a message from a program today cancelling an interview because the program says they already found the candidate they want. Is that a match violation? Should I let this go or do something?"

I'm not bullying you, I'm trying to help you behave in a way that improves your self-preservation. Remember "they can always hurt you more". I mean how many integrated vascath applicants do you think there are? Did you think to use a username that has no connection to you? A location? And beyond that, it's not cool in this universe to be publishing private communications with names and accusations. That guy doesn't deserve a thread naming him as a potential match violation

Thanks again for your advice!

 

[smaolo22]

Yeah agreed with the above - always good to leave out specific details on anonymous forums. Particularly with a very small field like Integrated Vascular Surgery (limited spots with limited numbers of competitive applicants), it might not be that difficult for someone to identify the actual applicant (whether it's you, OP, or "your friend").

With regards to this situation it certainly is unique and strange but at least they were very honest with you, would you really want to waste your time and money traveling to a place you have minimal chance to match at? Putting all of their eggs into one applicant seems like a dubious decision (it's certainly ill-advised from an applicant's perspective!) but there's nothing you can do about that decision but move on.

Thanks for your advice!

 

[rokshana]

yet you have not changed your original post...

 

[smaolo22]

yet you have not changed your original post...

Thanks for your insight!

 

[ThoracicGuy]

yet you have not changed your original post...

It's obvious the OP feels hurt by this and wants to leave this post up because of it. I don't think he realizes that he has far more to lose than the program in question...

 

[shoal007]

yup. OP, delete your first post contents....

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[smaolo22]

It's obvious the OP feels hurt by this and wants to leave this post up because of it. I don't think he realizes that he has far more to lose than the program in question...

Thanks for your insight!

 

[smaolo22]

yup. OP, delete your first post contents....

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Thanks for your advice!

 

[smaolo22]

Please see the edits above. I will no longer be responding to this thread.

 

[rokshana]

Please see the edits above. I will no longer be responding to this thread.

i somehow doubt that...

 

[AdmiralChz]

For a brief time there was a really bad attempt at editing only portions of words but any smart person could see what state ends in "Sylvania", it's gone now (thankfully).

One of the more bizarre threads I've seen in a bit. Makes me wonder if it was even real?