Interest in Pathology is really growing.

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It was funny, that conference was at 7am, and it didn't seem that early. When did I become such an old lady that I get up at 5:30 every day? The other resident on autopsy with me this month gets there, like me, around 6:30-7 every day. We beat the senior residents in by like 2 hours. What do we do all morning? Nothing much, catch up on stuff, nothing that can't be done later in the day.

How do all these threads end up off on totally random tangents? I like it. We have all these threads with like 3 pages. Unfortunately I wrote that long bit about applying to med school and once again, no one will see it.
 
yaah said:
Unfortunately I wrote that long bit about applying to med school and once again, no one will see it.

Dude, this has happened to you several times now.
 
Dammit I spent too much time on that post to have it languish on page 2 of 3.
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Cytotech27 you are about to get my full efforts here...I like cytotechs they are underappreciated.

I'm not sure why they tell you that...I think it's reasonable to express an interest in whatever field you choose. However, you have to be careful to qualify that with a willingness to try new things. If you say you are only interested in pathology and know you want to go into it, they might not be too impressed. It is similar to someone who goes in and says their lifelong ambition is to be a pediatric nephrologist and they can't even think of any other possible careers. Many med schools are looking for people who have an interest in primary care, in particular "serving the underserved." The problem is that TONS of people go into interviews paying lip service to this, and in actuality may believe it themselves. But then they get well into med school and those plans get shot to ****. But then again, I would also say that anyone entering med school who absolutely does not want to consider primary care probably has no business going to med school. The purpose of being a doctor is to help people, after all.

You certainly don't want to go in to an interview with a "well gee I guess I might like internal medicine the most" attitude. Med schools like people who are potential leaders of the future, who have leadership skills, problem solving skills, and a love of learning and enthusiasm. What they really want to hear is that you have thought about it. Med school is 4 years long, after which comes many years of lots of work with little pay before you are truly a "real doctor." They want to make sure you are not going into it lightly, that you have thought about the sacrifices and rewards it entails, and that you have considered what your life might be like as a result. Thus, only reasonable that they ask you what your plans for the future might be. Be honest. They don't expect people to have had enough clinical experience to be able to fully grasp what it is like to be in a certain field.

You are a different sort of premed - so don't take anything I say here and following personally. You actually have tangible experience in a field. More than the typical college premed who volunteered in a NICU and thus "knows" that they want to be a neonatologist even though they haven't seen any procedures, dealt with the metabolic and infectious complications, or figured out if they enjoy dealing with some of the sickest patients on earth. Your experience will definitely color your future, so acknowledge this in interviews. You like pathology because you have had lots of exposure to the field. That's great!

I get a kick out of lots of other premeds who feel like they have to be definite with their career choices, as if they have the slightest clue about not only what the field they aspire to is like, but whether it is suited to their personality and their mental makeup. Sure, express an interest in dermatology, but understand that it is an interest to find more about the field. You can't go through med school doing all your rotations in different specialties. You have to explore, and you will learn from all of them, some more than others. There will come a time when all med students start to refine their life and career goals so that picking a specialty becomes important. You will start to weed out potential careers early on (like I said a big NO to a career in endocrinology VERY early on) while others may seem attractive but lose luster (like me with geriatrics) once you see what the field is really like. Others may come at you in unexpected ways and you have to be open to realizing the benefits.

So, long story short (too late!), I wouldn't necessarily play down your interest in path, but don't necessarily play it up either. Use it to your advantage. Play the game. Be the compromise candidate! Be Henry Clay! (obscure 1800's American political reference)

BTW, your observation about non-path docs being confused by slides is very accurate - many med schools are now, unfortunately, minimizing the traditional teaching of seeing tons of slides and having tons of lab time. In exchange, they are getting touchy-feely and opening up cans of EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE whup-ass too often. A lot of med school now is not spent on the pathophysiology of things like cancer or CHF, but instead on multiculturalism, sensitivity training, etc, all stuff that is somewhat important to be sure but is so patently obvious to most semi-intelligent individuals that it insults the intelligence to spend so much time on. I want my freaking doctor to understand my health problems and know how to treat them. That is paramount to me. Frankly I don't care if he doesn't understand completely that Polish jokes are potentially insulting and hurtful to me. They should be able to weed out the losers and misfits along the way. By all means spend time on learning how to interview patients and other "social" aspects, but in moderation please. The best doctors and patient advocates are that way because of their life experiences and their own personalities, not because someone talked to them for an hour about "listening" to the patient better. Duh. If you aren't listening to the patient and forming an impression based on that then what the heck are you doing?

So let it be written! So let it be done!
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quant said:
Is there something called "reverse pimping?" where a junior resident keeps asking the attending questions till he can answer no more?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

that doesn't happen man.

see in medicine, poo trickles down the totem pole/hierarchy. people at the top crap on those below them...and on and on we go.
 
yaah said:
quant - your quote about peeps - to be correct, you would say..."a rare case in ONE OF my peeps." Peeps is plural. Oddly, when one refers to one patient very rarely does one say peep.

To complicate matters further, a peep also refers to a disgusting marshmallow conconction.
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I stand corrected Yaah...i m sure with a bit of practice ill get there....i learn languages quite fast.esp the slang ones... 😉

Regards
Quant
 
quant said:
Is there something called "reverse pimping?" where a junior resident keeps asking the attending questions till he can answer no more?....
As Andy says, it's a lose-lose situation. Keep asking more questions and attending physician inevitably says, "That's a really good question. Why don't you review the recent literature and tell us about it tomorrow?"

HFMOG.

Pardon my language.

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It's late.
I keep mixing up the threads and opening the wrong ones to reply to.
There's already been explosive tangentiality on this thread in the last 12 hours - a little more can't hurt.
This really doesn't belong on Five More Days!

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I will log off, go to bed, and when I wake up the sun will dawn on my last day of Rheumatology. I'm going to miss the attendings,

- the shorts under the white coat (Dr C, not me)
Attending: "Pathology? No wonder you're wearing black!"
deschutes: "Whatever do you mean!"
Attending: "Funereal black!"
deschutes: "I'm wearing a skirt. I have better legs than Dr. C."
Attending: "Well, that's not saying much, is it."​
- the hilarious comments at case rounds

"I really don't know what's going on with him, he's in bad shape and has gone back to < insert name of rural town > - he's probably going to die out there and then maybe we can get a total body biopsy and figure out what he really has..."
To the other MDs at grand rounds - "In 10 years there are going to be no more rheumatologists - when you guys turn 60 you'll all be screwed, while we can take care of our own arthritis".​
- the outright worship and flattery

To a patient, re: me - "She has an awfully nice accent, doesn't she?"​
I love these guys. They are fun to watch.

"I really don't feel like doing clinic this afternoon."
"Let's go have a coffee."
"Yeah, let's."​

(I made up only half of one of the scenarios.)
 
cytotech27 said:
as a side note- why is everyone (bosses, current students) telling me not to tell ad coms about my interest in path. They tell me to say IM all the way! Why should I hide my true love?

Ad coms and med school interviewers were intensely interested in my undergraduate experiences as a volunteer autopsy assistant (much more so than the time I spent as a volunteer for a suicide crisis line, for instance... maybe that ties in to the pathology v. psychiatry prestige thread 🙄 ). True, I didn't jump to say that I was absolutely set on going into pathology--I didn't name any specialty when asked, actually, since I wanted to keep my options open. But I did find myself discussing how the autopsies had significantly enhanced my pre-med education, and I got the impression many interviewers considered my experience a strength.

So, don't worry. There are many ways you can emphasize your cytotech training as being the huge asset that it is!
 
stormjen said:
This tumor is likely highly suspicious for malignancy.

This is great-I hate it when I have to call a Pap ASCUS vs. reactive (I know bethesda says no more of this but it comes up quite a lot)

By the way yaah-how many freakin' languages do you speak? german, french, what else?

So thanks for all the responses. I am obviously not that crazy to be going into interviews saying I'll do pathology only while crossing my arms and pouting. Part of my wish to go to med school is to get out from behind the microscope and see what happens to these patients after their diagnosis. Public health is also a concern with all this new Pap smear litigation goin' down (every five years now a woman needs a pap according to the gov.) I also volunteer in hospice where we have ALS patients that get me revved up to find a way to help them. I also was a marine biologist for a while so maybe I will find out why sharks don't get cancer and invent a miraculous drug that makes every cancer go the way of smallpox!!
Sorry for resume, but this is what happens when you apply to med school, all I am asked to do is talk about my stupid self over and over, enough!!!
back to the original topic...
as far as pathology becoming more popular, friends of mine have this image of path that it is one of the hardest specialties because it requires knowledge of literally everything. I personally don't know many who want to go into it, but the more the merrier.
 
"Naw, pimping just refers to asking questions you know the answer to so that you can test the knowledge of someone inferior to you. Thus, surgeons do it all the time to residents and students. It's like asking rhetorical questions."

I'm not an IMG like quant, but a dinosaur from the middle ages (mid 80's) and "pimping" is a new medical term for me. In reference to the quote above, though, I thought asking questions of someone, the answers to which one already knows, is a method of teaching used by Socrates. Perhaps the difference lies in motive? Desiring to humiliate rather than illuminate? Comments, please.

I happen to enjoy the Socratic method on both receiving and giving end. I think nothing else stimulates thinking like it does.
 
cytotech27 said:
By the way yaah-how many freakin' languages do you speak? german, french, what else?

as far as pathology becoming more popular, friends of mine have this image of path that it is one of the hardest specialties because it requires knowledge of literally everything. I personally don't know many who want to go into it, but the more the merrier.

I actually only speak english. I have a decent familiarity with french and spanish when written or spoken, however if I have to speak it, fuggetaboutit. I used to be able to decipher a lot of Latin but no more. I also speak Klingon (kidding). I do, however, speak the language of love. 😛

German I don't really know much of, I just think it's a great language, everything sounds great or funny in german. My goal someday is to learn to speak it but until then, living vicariously through the google translator. Google says: "I see dead people" is Ich sehe tote Leute.
"The rectal exam revealed massive bleeding" is Die rektale Pr?fung deckte massives Bluten auf.

"I took my picnic basket on the submarine and ate some pie with my sweetheart" becomes Ich nahm meinen Picknickkorb auf dem Unterseeboot und a? irgendeine Pie-Chart mit meinem Schatz.

"The end of the world will be next thursday afternoon": Das Ende der Welt ist folgender Donnerstagsnachmittag.

I have no idea if these translations are completely accurate, but they certainly sound better than the english version.
 
Yaaah I speak German and I only have one thing to say to you.

DU STINKT AUS DEM MUND WIE EIN KUH AUS DEM ASCH!!!! ESEL !
 
Matte Kudesai said:
Yaaah I speak German and I only have one thing to say to you.

DU STINKT AUS DEM MUND WIE EIN KUH AUS DEM ASCH!!!! ESEL !

hehe that flew way over my head 🙂 but 6 foot 5 yaah is taller than me so maybe that will smack him in the face.
 
Matte Kudesai said:
Yaaah I speak German and I only have one thing to say to you.

DU STINKT AUS DEM MUND WIE EIN KUH AUS DEM ASCH!!!! ESEL !

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The google translation of this:
YOU STINKS FROM THE MOUTH LIKE COW FROM THE ASCH!!!! DONKEY!

I love translators.
 
I didn't know that Google did translations. I'm a big fan of Babelfish Altavista, which has been around awhile... if I remember correctly it preceded even Google Search.

But even that doesn't translate Icelandic.

From an Icelandic newspaper article about the Olympics:

?lymp?uleikarnir h?fust af fullum krafti ? gr?sku borginni A?enu ? dag og m? segja sem svo a? ?a? hafi snarka? ? borginni, ?ar sem a? ?ar var miki? um a? vera og hiti n??i 40 gr??um ?ar ? dag.

If I wasn't deathly afraid of hordes of angry Icelanders coming after me, I'd say it was very... Tolkien.
 
deschutes said:
?lymp?uleikarnir h?fust af fullum krafti ? gr?sku borginni A?enu ? dag og m? segja sem svo a? ?a? hafi snarka? ? borginni, ?ar sem a? ?ar var miki? um a? vera og hiti n??i 40 gr??um ?ar ? dag.

Thanks deschutes. Now I have a headache 🙂
 
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