Is D.O as rigorous as M.D?

[psych844]

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So is it exactly the same in terms of clerkship/residency? (in terms of hours worked, call, etc)

 

[deleted407021]

Exactly the same, except Osteopathic students learn OMM on top of their regular coursework. Most DO schools do their rotations at various institutions without their school, seeing as only a few osteopathic programs have their own hospitals while most allopathic programs do.

That's a loaded title, though. DO=MD in almost all ways, including rigor.

 

[AlteredScale]

So is it exactly the same in terms of clerkship/residency? (in terms of hours worked, call, etc)

Rigor between MD and DO is the same within the same program. A program director isn't going to ease the call schedule for the DO intern because they're "inferior" to an MD intern, not are they going to be more attentive to hours worked to a DO and tell them to kick rocks when the night shift steps into the department while telling the MD to finish up their notes.

 

[deleted480308]

I have been told we will just play candy crush for 7 years and then start making hundreds of thousands as a surgeon, I'm assuming that is what the MDs do as well

 

[Goro]

For my students, yes.

So is it exactly the same in terms of clerkship/residency? (in terms of hours worked, call, etc)

 

[drsmpc]

I would argue that rigour is a product of opportunity. So when the clinical opportunities are equal between MD and DO, the rigour is also equal. That said, there are DO schools where the opportunities may exceed certain MD schools, and vice versa. When choosing between MD and DO schools, try not to think it terms of blanket generalizations. First determine whether you identify more strongly with the allopathic approach to care, or osteopathic (because those are not equivalent), and then evaluate the qualities of the specific program you are looking into, against your own aspirations and goals. Do this, and hopefully you will be the kind of doctor you want to be.

 

[becomingdoctor]

can someone explain to me the difference between audition, preceptor, ward based? Which kind does MD school use and which kind does DO school use (I heard preceptor).
I know ward based means attending+residents+med students, right?
My cousin who was in MD school told me his clerkships had lectures and some exams, is that true for DO schools?

 

[kenjixshadow]

can someone explain to me the difference between audition, preceptor, ward based?

Audition =sub-i, aka away rotation at a non-affiliated hospital to your home institution, this normally done in late 3rd year or early 4th year via VSAS. It's mainly for residency application - a month long of interview.
Preceptor = 1 on 1 with an attending.
Ward-based = attending + residents + medical students.

My cousin who was in MD school told me his clerkships had lectures and some exams, is that true for DO schools?

Yes and no, it depends on the schools on whether they are affiliated or have their own teaching hospital. There are multiple threads on SDN of students complained that they learned nothing during their rotations, which are more of glorious shadowing. If you have ward-rotation, you are more likely to get lectures. Hence, this is why you see ppl recommend of doing audition rotations. You can play catch up to other 4th year if your 3rd year was a crap shoot.

MD students have the shelf exams called NBME, which is often taking during the last week of their core rotations. For DO students, it is dependent on the hospitals - I have heard that some take NBME shelfs while some take COMAT shelfs.

 

[Gandyy]

Perhaps it was a bit too harsh of sarcasm.

I'll just redact that.



/sarcasm

 

[Promethean]

Oh NO! You attempted sarcasm! I saw the sarcasm end tag, but the kinds of people who will take you seriously and descend upon us with furious offense and talk of "cool-aid" won't read carefully enough to see that.

Everyone get out. The thread is over.

 

[Gandyy]

Oh NO! You attempted sarcasm! I saw the sarcasm end tag, but the kinds of people who will take you seriously and descend upon us with furious offense and talk of "cool-aid" won't read carefully enough to see that.

Everyone get out. The thread is over.

Yea you are right... some cannot detect the sarcasm.

I just became irritated at the Title. "rigor of DO vs MD".

There was a thread recently where some guy wanted to know if you had "above a 3.0 gpa and a 26 MCAT from an IVY league" , would you get an automatic acceptance from DO schools?

Seriously, Some of these threads cannot be genuine or sincere.

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[Promethean]

absolutely incorrect. DO and MD learn the same pathology, physiology, pharmacology, etc. The approach to patient care is identical. Patients should not be able to tell the difference between an MD and DO other than looking at the initials on their name tag.

You sure do show up on schedule, doncha?

 

[ChrisMack390]

My friend at a DO school appears to have a MORE rigorous curriculum than another friend an MD.

Different institutions vary, but one degree is certainly not easier or harder than the other.

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[67552931811]

You sure do show up on schedule, doncha?

While I understand your sentiment @DOFOSHO is pretty spot on with this one.

 

[67552931811]

Audition =sub-i, aka away rotation at a non-affiliated hospital to your home institution, this normally done in late 3rd year or early 4th year via VSAS. It's mainly for residency application - a month long of interview.
Preceptor = 1 on 1 with an attending.
Ward-based = attending + residents + medical students.



Yes and no, it depends on the schools on whether they are affiliated or have their own teaching hospital. There are multiple threads on SDN of students complained that they learned nothing during their rotations, which are more of glorious shadowing. If you have ward-rotation, you are more likely to get lectures. Hence, this is why you see ppl recommend of doing audition rotations. You can play catch up to other 4th year if your 3rd year was a crap shoot.

MD students have the shelf exams called NBME, which is often taking during the last week of their core rotations. For DO students, it is dependent on the hospitals - I have heard that some take NBME shelfs while some take COMAT shelfs.

Pretty sure it's school dependent. Everyone at my school takes the NBME shelfs

 

[Promethean]

While I understand your sentiment @DOFOSHO is pretty spot on with this one.

It was just that I made oblique reference to him and he popped up immediately. As if summoned. Uncanny.

 

[67552931811]

It was just that I made oblique reference to him and he popped up immediately. As if summoned. Uncanny.

Lol. At least he's got a cool photo. I love panthers: majestic creatures.

 

[Mad Jack]

You sure do show up on schedule, doncha?

He's actually pretty much correct though. While we have a few extra lectures on certain topics related to holistic care and the like, our diagnostic principles are largely the same. It is the physician, not the degree, that determines how holistic and patient-centered a physician will be.

 

[Mad Jack]

It was just that I made oblique reference to him and he popped up immediately. As if summoned. Uncanny.

Speak of the devil, as they say.

 

[kenjixshadow]

Speak of the devil, as they say.

Wherever you go, I go. MJ

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[Promethean]

You should beware, promethean, panthers creep through the jungle and have very keen vision, alert and ready to attack when you least expect it. (But apparently poor memory because I totally forgot about the "cool aid" remark)

Wow, that's not creepy or anything...

I don't waste a lot of time watching my back. I mostly focus on doing my own thing and helping other folks out where I can. So, yeah, you want to make good on any threats, you can pretty much go right ahead. You'll just end up looking like a collossal jerk who gets a little too caught up in e-drama.

 

[kenjixshadow]

@Promethean be like

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[Promethean]

Oh please. I was just correcting a common misconception that premeds have about md vs do. I didn't even know you were participating in this thread until your name popped up in my alert after you quoted a post.

Yeah, and then you went on to suggest that I had cause to beware of you. That's creeptastic, yo.

Look, I'm going to just do us both the favor of hitting the ignore button on you. Seems best if we just stop noticing one another.

 

[DOFOSHO]

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[deleted407021]

Omg. Drams!

 

[costales]

What? Heck no. Most DO schools have take-home exams that you grade yourself. The better ones have in-class open-book exams about every other month. There is also an open bar in the anatomy lab on Fridays. Clinical rotations are for you to play with nurses. Why, they even have nurses teach surgery!

 

[NontradCA]

What? Heck no. Most DO schools have take-home exams that you grade yourself. The better ones have in-class open-book exams about every other month. There is also an open bar in the anatomy lab on Fridays. Clinical rotations are for you to play with nurses. Why, they even have nurses teach surgery!

Stop derailing the e-drama, thx.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

absolutely incorrect. DO and MD learn the same pathology, physiology, pharmacology, etc. The approach to patient care is identical. Patients should not be able to tell the difference between an MD and DO other than looking at the initials on their name tag.

Everyone knows osteopaths are the only holistic ones treating the root cause of disease.

 

[cliquesh]

Medical education varies a lot from school to school. My experience was more rigorous than some of my MD resident colleagues, but more relaxed when compared to others.