Is it easier to get into medical school as a non-trad applicant?

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Just a thought I had.
On average I think every school accepts about 5 non-traditional applicants to its medical programs. But overall the numbers of non-traditional grads are way lower than those of traditional grads.

So aren't you at a slight advantage if you're a non-trad?
I guess you could also say the same thing about minority groups.
 
Just a thought I had.
On average I think every school accepts about 5 non-traditional applicants to its medical programs. But overall the numbers of non-traditional grads are way lower than those of traditional grads.

So aren't you at a slight advantage if you're a non-trad?
I guess you could also say the same thing about minority groups.

Non-trads have both advantages and disadvantages. Being out of school for a while, non-trads typically have somewhat lower stats (GPA's, MCAT). Also, LOR's from academic profs may be harder to come by. However, non-trads may have more real-world experiences and opportunities for EC's. Plus, may be more polished in interviewing skills and have more to talk about. You just never know. I do not think that a comparison with URM's is possible. Completely different situation. In any case, you do not get bonus points just for being older.
 
Nontrad = years and years spent EC padding.
 
Just a thought I had.
On average I think every school accepts about 5 non-traditional applicants to its medical programs. But overall the numbers of non-traditional grads are way lower than those of traditional grads.

So aren't you at a slight advantage if you're a non-trad?
I guess you could also say the same thing about minority groups.

I think being a non-trad has its advantages and disadvantages. You will have more life experience and display more maturity. However, when it comes time for the MCAT the lowest scoring group is usually those who are 30 years of age and older which is probably due to some forgetting of the material/less time to study with other commitments. Not too long ago it was really frowned upon to enter as a non-trad I believe. Now however, adcoms realize it adds a great new dynamic to the classroom.
 
I made the almost exact post as Hamaelon... we must both be great minds.... 😴
 
I'm not sure I buy the stat that an average class has 5 non-traditional applicants. What definition are we using for non traditional? I thought the average age of 1st year students is 24-25 at most schools. If we assume that the mean is the median, that means that 50% of all 1st years have at least 1-2 years out of undergrad...
 
I'm not sure I buy the stat that an average class has 5 non-traditional applicants. What definition are we using for non traditional? I thought the average age of 1st year students is 24-25 at most schools. If we assume that the mean is the median, that means that 50% of all 1st years have at least 1-2 years out of undergrad...

Most students are right out of undergrad so probably entering at 22-23. The non-trads drive the average way up by entering at 30-40 years or even higher.
 
Maybe you're right. However, I would not venture to say that 90% of any incoming class is right out of undergrad.

Medical school apps are so competitive now that I think at least half have taken 1 year or more off. This is definitely the case at Vandy...
 
Maybe you're right. However, I would not venture to say that 90% of any incoming class is right out of undergrad.

Medical school apps are so competitive now that I think at least half have taken 1 year or more off. This is definitely the case at Vandy...

On AMCAS they pretty much say straight up that 90% of the entering medical class is straight out of undergrad.

Taking one year off to do something else is not considered Non-traditional. Non-traditional is when someone applies after beginning another career or something like that. These people are generally 27 and up.
 
The non-trads I have known have had fine grades and MCAT scores but I think some (many?) of them are unwilling to move very far because of spouses/kids/houses/etc. and apply to less schools which lowers their chances of getting in somewhere.
 
so starting off in business or engineering or whatever else there is out there first and later deciding to go into medicine is EC padding? haha your definition does apply to a subset of nontrads, but i don't think going into another career and later deciding on medicine is in anyway EC padding.
 
The non-trads I have known have had fine grades and MCAT scores but I think some (many?) of them are unwilling to move very far because of spouses/kids/houses/etc. and apply to less schools which lowers their chances of getting in somewhere.


Yeh, thats also a consideration. I have to think about that myself.
 
I'm a non-trad and I have 8 interviews so far. I would have no problem moving to the med school that accepts me.
 
Nontrad = years and years spent EC padding.

I'm not sure a prior career constitutes "padding". But it does help.

As to the OP -- yes, if you have a decade of interesting professional experience to go with stellar numerical stats, you will probably have an advantage in applying to many med schools.
But only an idiot would do one career with the goal at the onset of using it to go into another.
Most such nontrads actually come to the idea of medicine much later in the process, and then double back and pick up the necessary prereqs and MCAT, not go into the prior career with an eye toward how med schools might regard it.
 
Non-trads have both advantages and disadvantages. Being out of school for a while, non-trads typically have somewhat lower stats (GPA's, MCAT). Also, LOR's from academic profs may be harder to come by. However, non-trads may have more real-world experiences and opportunities for EC's. Plus, may be more polished in interviewing skills and have more to talk about. You just never know. I do not think that a comparison with URM's is possible. Completely different situation. In any case, you do not get bonus points just for being older.

Pretty much stole the words right from out of my mouth.

Give 'em back or I'm calling the cops!
-Dr. P.
 
The non-trads I have known have had fine grades and MCAT scores but I think some (many?) of them are unwilling to move very far because of spouses/kids/houses/etc. and apply to less schools which lowers their chances of getting in somewhere.

You described my situation; I dont want to leave the state. I am a nontraditional, ~40, and I only applied to 5 schools (4 interviews), but I am aTexas resident and it seems like I have a much better chance of getting in here than to an oos.
 
I can say it is easier to focus and do really well in school as a non trad. I have almost a 4.0 the last 2.5 years ( 70 credits ). I could never have done that when I was 20 because I was usually drunk.
 
Most students are right out of undergrad so probably entering at 22-23. The non-trads drive the average way up by entering at 30-40 years or even higher.

uhhh ok? Five 40-year olds aren't going to significantly drive up the average considering most medical schools have class sizes of 100+.
 
I'm not sure I buy the stat that an average class has 5 non-traditional applicants.

Me neither. Many take at least a year off before going to medical school, and hence they are nontrad.
 
I don't think that working before deciding on medicine constitutes 'padding' per se. Padding is more along the lines of joining say, Golden Key, which, to my knowledge, serves no purpose other than padding your cv. Personally I consider the bogus 'volunteering' in the ER (at least at the hospital I work at) to be padding. Just how much clinical experience are you getting while you restock the linen cabinet? . Perhaps other hospitals are different, but here the volunteers don't do much worthwhile.
 
D**n! You caught me! That's right, I majored in history and Spanish, taught Head Start, bought a house, a car, and had a baby, and THEN started taking my prereqs, so that I could "pad my E.C.s" Dude, don't tell Adcom!

😀
 
uhhh ok? Five 40-year olds aren't going to significantly drive up the average considering most medical schools have class sizes of 100+.

Yeah- so let's 90% enter at age 22-25. Then add in 10 people who enter between the age of 25-40. Pushes the average age up a little bit. Don't know what your problem is, the average age of an MSI is like 24
 
Yeah- so let's 90% enter at age 22-25. Then add in 10 people who enter between the age of 25-40. Pushes the average age up a little bit. Don't know what your problem is, the average age of an MSI is like 24

Exactly. You have 90% folks who just graduated or graduated within a year prior. Then a good chunk of the remaining 10% are older. Older enough that it drives up the average age a mere couple of years. Not complicated calculus here.
 
D**n! You caught me! That's right, I majored in history and Spanish, taught Head Start, bought a house, a car, and had a baby, and THEN started taking my prereqs, so that I could "pad my E.C.s" Dude, don't tell Adcom!

😀

It's starting to get crazy now. Does it seem like folks are grasping at any reason to explain why they aren't getting into med school ? Come on folks, get real ! By the way, there are people in their 50s getting into med school, so let's not be ageist and leave them out of the range. 😡
 
no, non-trads don't have it easier. Some of us have been flat out told we are "outside the normal age range for medical students". i didn't even get an interview at my state school, but younger applicants with significantly lower numbers than mine were interviewed readily.

It's not all about numbers, folks. grow up.
 
Yeah- so let's 90% enter at age 22-25. Then add in 10 people who enter between the age of 25-40. Pushes the average age up a little bit. Don't know what your problem is, the average age of an MSI is like 24

you're missing my point. if you don't enter medical school right after college (even 1 year off) then you're a nontrad. I know the average age of a matriculant is about 25. don't tell me that a 25-year-old is still a trad.

so if you have 95 21-year-olds and 5 40-year-olds, will the average be 25? no, it's about 22. that's not significant. i dunno why you said "10 people who enter between the age of 25-40" since we were talking about the whole 5 nontrads per year thing. actually I do know why, but that's irrelevant.

my point was that there are more than 5 nontrads per school per year.
 
you're missing my point. if you don't enter medical school right after college (even 1 year off) then you're a nontrad. I know the average age of a matriculant is about 25. don't tell me that a 25-year-old is still a trad.

so if you have 95 21-year-olds and 5 40-year-olds, will the average be 25? no, it's about 22. that's not significant. i dunno why you said "10 people who enter between the age of 25-40" since we were talking about the whole 5 nontrads per year thing. actually I do know why, but that's irrelevant.

my point was that there are more than 5 nontrads per school per year.
Most people would not consider someone who takes one year off after college to be a non-trad, T, including the medical schools. Many people say that non-trads are students who are over age 25. Others set the age limit at 30. But I don't know of anyone besides you who sets the limit to age 23. 😉 I personally would use a more functional definition akin to Rok's. If you've had a prior career (ex. in research, allied health fields, law, business, sports, the armed forces, the arts, etc.) and you are now going back to school to become a physician, that makes you a non-trad. People who take off one or two years after college to do an internship, or do research, or travel, etc. would not be considered non-trads under my rubric either. But age is definitely a part of the equation too. I would also say that people who have been out of school for a significant amount of time (say, more than three years and are now over age 25) are non-trads even if they did not have careers. So, for example, a stay-at-home mom who took a few years off to raise her kids while they were young would also be a non-trad.

OP, the answer to your question is no. Non-trads are expected to compete on the same level playing field as trads are. If your grades and test scores are not high enough, you will probably get rejected, no matter how great your ECs are. No school accepts non-trads because they feel sorry for us or they want to fill up their non-trad quota. Medical schools, for all their talk about altruism, aren't in the charity business when it comes to selecting matriculants. They want to select people who will A) match their mission (primary care, research, state residents, etc.); B) contribute to society and reflect well on their school; and C) finish the program successfully. That's true for applicants of all ages.
 
if you don't enter medical school right after college (even 1 year off) then you're a nontrad.

:laugh: So all those reapplicants are nontrads, hmm?

my point was that there are more than 5 nontrads per school per year.

^^This I agree with.
 
Yeh, thats also a consideration. I have to think about that myself.

Amen. My husband pretty much said "no" to moving. Can't blame him, he has his own career, etc. to think about. Just hoping one of the 2 whole schools Im' applying to will accept me.
 
Amen. My husband pretty much said "no" to moving. Can't blame him, he has his own career, etc. to think about. Just hoping one of the 2 whole schools Im' applying to will accept me.

Sorry to hear he is not supportive of your career.....👎
 
:laugh: So all those reapplicants are nontrads, hmm?

We have a different understanding of "traditional" which is fine. I am referring to the old days, where most people went to medical school straight after undergrad, and that was considered traditional.

Whatever, as long as you get from point A to D.
 
What does that word even mean? Could you dumb it down a notch?
:laugh: Sorry. It means that you are out of control, that you will never change your misbehaving ways. 😉
 
Not as bad as DR. EUGENIC... 😴

I think you have a split personality, or you share your account with Eugenic. Your posts change between being articulate and helpfull to very Eugenic-like and even random. But your an interesting character, i'll give you that.😛
 
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