is it illegal to have business cards with "dr" if waiting for license?

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after reading this quote from RPAMES:

"I have an OD, but I never see or speak to patients unless he is in the building. I don't have business cards out, or my name on anything yet. That is because I do not have a license yet."

I thought to myself... I just made some business cards for myself, but I'm still waiting for my license. I have passed all the parts of NBEO.

Does not having a license mean that it's illegal for me to hand out business cards with "Dr. _____"

Thanks to anyone who can answer this
 
after reading this quote from RPAMES:

"I have an OD, but I never see or speak to patients unless he is in the building. I don't have business cards out, or my name on anything yet. That is because I do not have a license yet."

I thought to myself... I just made some business cards for myself, but I'm still waiting for my license. I have passed all the parts of NBEO.

Does not having a license mean that it's illegal for me to hand out business cards with "Dr. _____"

Thanks to anyone who can answer this

It would seem logical to me that you can have Dr on your cards. Your degree determines your title not your license. If you have earned the degree of "Doctor of Optometry" then you should be able to use that title. Of course, you shouldn't see patients or give professional advice to people without your license.

Of course logical doesn't always equal legal...
 
Obviously you can use 'Dr'. You have a DOCTORATE IN OPTOMETRY. A license doesn't make you a 'Dr', a degree does.
Actually, in most states, and provinces, the title "doctor," and "doctor of optometry" are protected titles and can only be used by an individual licensed in that jurisdiction. Practically speaking, I see no problem printing Dr on your business card so long as you're not handing it out to patients are using the title in the context of a Dr-patient relationship.

Case in point; Ontario podiatrists, while having earned the "doctor of podiatric medicine" degree are NOT permitted to use the title "doctor."
 
Obviously you can use 'Dr'. You have a DOCTORATE IN OPTOMETRY. A license doesn't make you a 'Dr', a degree does.

In every state, it is illegal to hold yourself out as someone who is licensed to practice when you are not and passing out business cards with the title "Dr. Joe Smith - Optometrist" on them would almost surely fall under that distinction.

If you gave your card out as a means of spreading your contact information for things OTHER than eye exams you are probably fine. Otherwise, just wait for the license.
 
Obviously you can use 'Dr'. You have a DOCTORATE IN OPTOMETRY. A license doesn't make you a 'Dr', a degree does.

Several of the previous post are correct. It is against the law for a graduate from an optometry school to use the title doctor in anyway until they are license. Calling yourself doctor, having cards out, letter head, name on sign, name on jacket, even entering the room and saying, "Hi, I'm Dr. Ames.," is all risking having your license reprimanded even before you have it.

Also, if you as an OD use the title doctor on ANYTHING without qualifying it with the word Optometrist or Optometry, you are also taking a risk. The term "Dr" implies to the general public that you are a medical doctor, ODs are not medical doctors.

On a side note, my license came yesterday! And my NPI number was emailed to me within 15 minutes of applying. So, now all I need is my DEA number and have the insurance companies put me on the plans and I am set.

Dr. Ryan Ames
OPTOMETRIST
 
There's nothing wrong with printing up a card that says Joe Schmo, O.D. That's your degree for chrissakes. It's no more illegal than a card that says Joe Blow, Ph.D. In many jurisdictions, you cannot refer to yourself as "Dr." without the word "optometrist" somewhere on the document. There may be also be laws in such jurisdictions limiting the use of the term "optometrist" to someone who is licensed to practice optometry, so in that case referring to yourself as Dr. Joe Schmo, Optometrist might be problematic. But to reiterate, there is NEVER any problem putting O.D. after your name, just as there is no problem with someone who hasn't passed the bar putting J.D. after his or her name. You earned that title regardless of whether you passed boards. In a similar vein, do you think that O.D., Ph.D.'s suddenly stop using O.D. after their name if they take a research job in a state where they are not licensed!?
 
There's nothing wrong with printing up a card that says Joe Schmo, O.D. That's your degree for chrissakes.

Perhaps my understanding of the law is wrong, and perhaps the school misinformed us, but here is what I have been told and my interpretation of the law. By displaying your name on a sign or business card as Dr. or O.D. or use the title verbally, you are implying to the public that you are a licensed practicer. By doing this before you are licensed, you are in violation of the law and you may have your licensed reprimanded. I do not agree with the law that you can not use the title Dr, but that is just the way it is.
 
Perhaps my understanding of the law is wrong, and perhaps the school misinformed us, but here is what I have been told and my interpretation of the law. By displaying your name on a sign or business card as Dr. or O.D. or use the title verbally, you are implying to the public that you are a licensed practicer. By doing this before you are licensed, you are in violation of the law and you may have your licensed reprimanded. I do not agree with the law that you can not use the title Dr, but that is just the way it is.

You've been misinformed, but that's not surprising given that most optometrists I've met are woefully ignorant when it comes to legal issues. To reiterate, a state regulatory board has no power to prevent you from putting a degree you earned after your name. By doing so, you are "implying" nothing -- you are simply stating the fact that you earned an O.D. degree. On the other hand, if you use the term "optometrist", you very well may be in hot water, because that term may be restricted in your state to people who have passed boards, paid loot to the State Board, and are licensed optometrists. By referring to yourself as an "optometrist" in these jurisdictions, it could be argued that you're implying that you are licensed to practice optometry when you actually are not.

The same holds true for J.D.'s and attorneys. Anyone who has been awarded a J.D. is entitled to put those letters after his or her name. However, in most (if not all) states, they couldn't not refer to themselves as a lawyer or attorney at law without having passed the bar exam.
 
There's nothing wrong with printing up a card that says Joe Schmo, O.D. That's your degree for chrissakes. It's no more illegal than a card that says Joe Blow, Ph.D. In many jurisdictions, you cannot refer to yourself as "Dr." without the word "optometrist" somewhere on the document. There may be also be laws in such jurisdictions limiting the use of the term "optometrist" to someone who is licensed to practice optometry, so in that case referring to yourself as Dr. Joe Schmo, Optometrist might be problematic. But to reiterate, there is NEVER any problem putting O.D. after your name, just as there is no problem with someone who hasn't passed the bar putting J.D. after his or her name. You earned that title regardless of whether you passed boards. In a similar vein, do you think that O.D., Ph.D.'s suddenly stop using O.D. after their name if they take a research job in a state where they are not licensed!?

This is true. As an attorney, I can tell you that there Dr. Ames is correct in that one must qualify whether he/she is an MD, DO, PharmD, PhD, OD, DDS, etc. Simply saying "Dr. Smith" can be misleading and/or dangerous. However, it is never illegal to sign your name, or append your earned academic/professional degree.

HOWEVER, Dr. Ames is correct...until you're licensed, DO NOT do it. It's risky, stupid, and...pompous. Unless you're practicing, why you need to append O.D. after your name?

Side note, as an MD and JD, I see more and more JDs append JD after their name even after being licensed. It seems that the practice of law is joining the ranks of med, dent, opt, vet med, pharm, and other learned professions by actualy using their degrees, and perhaps, soon, their titles. Interesting.
 
You've been misinformed, but that's not surprising given that most optometrists I've met are woefully ignorant when it comes to legal issues. To reiterate, a state regulatory board has no power to prevent you from putting a degree you earned after your name. By doing so, you are "implying" nothing -- you are simply stating the fact that you earned an O.D. degree. On the other hand, if you use the term "optometrist", you very well may be in hot water, because that term may be restricted in your state to people who have passed boards, paid loot to the State Board, and are licensed optometrists. By referring to yourself as an "optometrist" in these jurisdictions, it could be argued that you're implying that you are licensed to practice optometry when you actually are not.

The same holds true for J.D.'s and attorneys. Anyone who has been awarded a J.D. is entitled to put those letters after his or her name. However, in most (if not all) states, they couldn't not refer to themselves as a lawyer or attorney at law without having passed the bar exam.

He's not misinformed at all. It's always better to err on the side of caution. In a strict legal sense, it would NOT be unethical or illegal to append O.D. after your name in some circumstances. HOWEVER, that being said, the OP wanted to know about business cards.

So, if you're Joe Smith and you just graduated from Ferris State University Michigan College of Optometry in May with your O.D. degree and you are awaiting your license, or simply not licensed in your jurisdiction yet, when can you use O.D. after your name?

1) After signing any legal documents; it may be pretentious and stupid, but there is nothing misleading or illegal about signing your name Joe Smith, O.D.

2) Your checks. While this might be stupid and self laudatory, hey, nothing wrong with it.

3) Resumes and CVs. Your name could read Joe Smith, O.D., 200 W. Livernois, Troy, MI 48098, and this would be perfectly acceptable.

4) Teaching/academia. Let's say you get hired by a local nursing school or PA school to teach ocular anatomy/phys for a good chunk of change. Let's also say you have no desire to practice optometry, or maybe you make more teaching than you do practicing (it could happen, right?). You're not licensed. In the classroom, you can be called "doctor" and on your business cards and nameplate, you can be Joe Smith, O.D., without fear of penalty. In this context, you're in no way, shape, or form holding yourself out as an optometrist...you're no different than any PhD or EdD or JD who is also teaching a class.

5) In general social settings, or when making appointments with your physician, dentist, vet, etc., there is nothing wrong with saying "Dr. Smith". If asked, qualify, but you're the patient or client, or in a general social setting, so who cares what people think...if you have it and want to flaunt it, do it. Remember one thing, though, if you're in a social setting and someone approaches you and says "you said you're a doctor, right? We have somone who's having a seizure, can you help?" EVEN if you have some EMS training, you say "I am not a doctor, I have a degree in optometry!" Always qualify and never offer to help, even if you have some medical first responder training, and say "I'm a doctor, I can help!" Do not place yourself in potential professional liability. No offense, but an OD is in no position to help anyone in need of exigent medical assistance, UNLESS he/she is also an EMT/paramedic licensed by THAT state. IF you're an OD in Michigan and an EMT in Ohio, you can offer help as an EMT, but you should be cautious and assess the situation. In general, use common sense.

As an unlicensed O.D., you are not legally entitled to provide any form of tx, dx, advice, counseling, or optometry-related services to anyone or anything. So, this begs the question, why would you need busness cards? What exactly are you doing that you need a professional business card?

The deciding legal factor here is context. In what context is it acceptable for any unlicensed professional who holds an earned professioanl doctorate to use that title or degree? In the above examples, it's perfectly acceptable, but without a license, and without one of the above situations, do not buy any cards and use your degree; it could be considered solicitation of professional opt services. You could lose your license once you get it or you could be reprimanded, fined, or penalized by the state board for practicing without a license. Why risk it?
 
What ProZack is saying in a nutshell, which I agree with, is that while it's not illegal for an unlicensed O.D. to use those letters after his or her name, it's pointless and therefore kind of stupid.
 
You've been misinformed, but that's not surprising given that most optometrists I've met are woefully ignorant when it comes to legal issues.

I guess I'm not as ignorant as it may have seemed.😀
 
I guess I'm not as ignorant as it may have seemed.😀

The doc I worked with when I first started in Florida used to be on the board and told me not to call myself Dr, optometrist, etc IN ANY WAY until I had that piece of paper saying I can practice in Florida.

It's just not worth the risk.
 
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