Is it just me or are most surgeons buff?

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I used to think it was just orthopedic surgeons...

But I finished my neurosurgery shadowing session, and all the men AND women were very athletic/strong. I've noticed this in almost every surgical specialty. Is surgery really that physically straining?
 
What do you mean AND women? #triggered

Funny cuz the orthopedic surgeon I shadow is super fat I don’t think it’s physically straining but apart from the Othro one, all others I talked to say they workout after shifts to keep themselves sane.


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What do you mean AND women? #triggered

Funny cuz the orthopedic surgeon I shadow is super fat I don’t think it’s physically straining but apart from the Othro one, all others I talked to say they workout after shifts to keep themselves sane.


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My apologies, I did not intend to come off as being sexist. It's just that whenever I talk about surgeons and strength, people say that there is a super skinny woman who's an attending or something like that.
 
Yes it is true. You forgot to mention the part where we are also very goodlooking. And humble. Cheers.

Lol the second quality I found to be true in many cases...sry, the urology attending who I shadowed was very beautiful 🙂 🙂
 
Most are not fat. Some are fat. Certainly some but not even a plurality are buff. I'd guess the general good shape comes from a lifestyle of working long hours without breaks for meals, working in a medical field (where in general providers are not as overweight as the population), and the discipline/regimented nature that is almost required to be a surgeon.
 
I assume they have similar body types to the rest of population in many careers.

Most overweight
Many average
Some thin
few athletic
 
Is it true some ortho resident lounges have dumbbells? Serious question.
 
My mentors, mainly ob/gyn, are very fit, and attractive. The first time I saw the ob posse on Scrubs, I burst out laughing, because it was essentially all my people. Though many here will say ob/gyn isn't a surgical specialty.
In my school, gen surgery are also very fit.
 
I'm not buff, but pretty athletic. I exercise 5-6 days a week and am pretty good shape, trained for a marathon last year, do 24 hour rock climbing competitions etc.

As for everyone else, all shapes and sizes. Doubt statistically any different from the rest of the population.
 
I'm not buff, but pretty athletic. I exercise 5-6 days a week and am pretty good shape, trained for a marathon last year, do 24 hour rock climbing competitions etc.

As for everyone else, all shapes and sizes. Doubt statistically any different from the rest of the population.
Where do you find 24hr rock climbing competitions? At your local climbing gym, or at the crag?
 
I'm not buff, but pretty athletic. I exercise 5-6 days a week and am pretty good shape, trained for a marathon last year, do 24 hour rock climbing competitions etc.

As for everyone else, all shapes and sizes. Doubt statistically any different from the rest of the population.
I recently ran my first marathon!
 
I'm not buff, but pretty athletic. I exercise 5-6 days a week and am pretty good shape, trained for a marathon last year, do 24 hour rock climbing competitions etc.

As for everyone else, all shapes and sizes. Doubt statistically any different from the rest of the population.

Which surgery specialty are you?
 
I used to think it was just orthopedic surgeons...

But I finished my neurosurgery shadowing session, and all the men AND women were very athletic/strong. I've noticed this in almost every surgical specialty. Is surgery really that physically straining?

No, but you don't want to waste any time getting back in shape when you're between spouses.


JK!
 
Where do you find 24hr rock climbing competitions? At your local climbing gym, or at the crag?



I may or may not be in that video 😉

One of the device reps needed a partner Horseshoe Hell a few years back and who better than a strong climber that also routinely does 24+ hour calls. And once you do it once either you never do it again, or you end up doing it every year.

Which surgery specialty are you?

Vascular surgery
 


I may or may not be in that video 😉

One of the device reps needed a partner Horseshoe Hell a few years back and who better than a strong climber that also routinely does 24+ hour calls. And once you do it once either you never do it again, or you end up doing it every year.



Vascular surgery

I might end up sending you a PM tomorrow. Would like to hear more about how you balanced that with work, esp during training. Also, how do you prevent broken skin? Finger lesions drove me crazy in the hospital. Ended up taping fingers before every climb!
 
Preventing Chronic Disease | Obesity Prevalence by Occupation in Washington State, Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System - CDC
Prevalence of Obesity by Occupation Among US Workers: The National Health Interview Survey 2004–2011

Physicians (ie health diagnosing professions) have the lowest BMI as a profession according to this survey of 35K washingtonians, same in a study of 125K Americans.

Methodology:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) is an annual, state-based, random-digit–dialed, landline telephone survey of the noninstitutionalized US civilian population aged 18 years or older that collects data on health conditions and behaviors."

I'm saying there is lack of truth, and possible bias here. Surveying health professions about health. They may be less likely to admit health issues...

Either way, poor methodology right?
 


I may or may not be in that video 😉

One of the device reps needed a partner Horseshoe Hell a few years back and who better than a strong climber that also routinely does 24+ hour calls. And once you do it once either you never do it again, or you end up doing it every year.



Vascular surgery

You're the first guy in the video
 
Methodology:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) is an annual, state-based, random-digit–dialed, landline telephone survey of the noninstitutionalized US civilian population aged 18 years or older that collects data on health conditions and behaviors."

I'm saying there is lack of truth, and possible bias here. Surveying health professions about health. They may be less likely to admit health issues...

Either way, poor methodology right?

Yeah definitely not the prettiest design, though with an n that large and with the same methodology used with non-health professions I'm willing to believe it (for example, look at nursing-another health profession-not nearly the same results).
 

This is pretty much all surgeons:

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Yeah definitely not the prettiest design, though with an n that large and with the same methodology used with non-health professions I'm willing to believe it (for example, look at nursing-another health profession-not nearly the same results).

Just like many people here, I've been around medical professionals a lot of my life, and it really does seem like health professions are similar in fitness to any other part of the public population.

Plus, I can't see "more" physicians being fit than say "firefighter, policemen, etc.".

Don't get me wrong, I love to pat myself on the back for being fit. However, I can't say that I've ever thought of my colleagues as the pinnacle of "fit". They aren't personal trainers at a gym lol. I'm sure they are relatively healthy in most aspects, but lets not overdo it.
 


I may or may not be in that video 😉

One of the device reps needed a partner Horseshoe Hell a few years back and who better than a strong climber that also routinely does 24+ hour calls. And once you do it once either you never do it again, or you end up doing it every year.

That looks like a lot of fun. Sadly at this point I don’t think I could even do the intermediate.
 
Well, standing for most of the day does do something to you...
 
You aren't the only one. Most of the surgeons at my hospital are hot even the older ones. In fact, the older ones look more fit haha!
 
Saw one fat trama surgeon
 
Well I'd hope most would be athletic/fit. As healthcare professionals we set the example for health. It really irritates me when I see morbidly obese healthcare professionals that just plain make poor health choices. I see them stuffing down fast food, or smoking. (Especially RTs or physicians with the smoking). Its one thing when an uneducated patient makes poor choices. Its another when you KNOW all of the ramifications of your poor choices.
 
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Just like many people here, I've been around medical professionals a lot of my life, and it really does seem like health professions are similar in fitness to any other part of the public population.

Plus, I can't see "more" physicians being fit than say "firefighter, policemen, etc.".

Don't get me wrong, I love to pat myself on the back for being fit. However, I can't say that I've ever thought of my colleagues as the pinnacle of "fit". They aren't personal trainers at a gym lol. I'm sure they are relatively healthy in most aspects, but lets not overdo it.
I don't know. It would surprise you. When I was military police, I worked along side many civilian cops, and they weren't very fit for the most part. Quite a few morbidly obese. I think the doctors and nurses I've seen have collectively been more fit.

Riding around in a patrol car drinking soda and eating snacks has a certain affect on fitness.
 
Well I'd hope most would be athletic/fit. As healthcare professionals we set the example for health. It really irritates me when I see morbidly obese healthcare professionals that just plain make poor health choices. I see them stuffing down fast food, or smoking. (Especially RTs or physicians with the smoking). Its one thing when an uneducated patient makes poor choices. Its another when you KNOW all of the ramifications of your poor choices.

Well consider yourself irritated I guess because I am by definition “obese”
 
Theres a difference in "obese" and "morbidly obese". I am "obese" according to the BMI scale because my BMI is 30, although I am 14% bodyfat (at least according to the bodpod. I don't know how much I trust it). So no, not irritated. I'm talking about people that are obviously extremely overweight, and not because of muscle mass. And of course health problems can be the root of some problems, but a lot of times I wonder "Did the health problem cause the obesity (say underactive thyroid), or did obesity cause the health problem?"
 
I'd agree it's important for healthcare professionals to set a good example by not being morbidly obese or smoking, etc. That's harder for some more than others, of course, due to lots of things (thyroid, anxiety, chronic inflammation, etc.). Personally, my weight is not optimal, but it's within normal range. I'm not a pre-surgeon type--I'm very impressed by people who climb things and cut people open to save their lives, but I'm terrified of doing so myself, and I prefer meditation/breathing exercises and reading/talking to people anyway--so I rely mostly on passive weight loss techniques to stay reasonably in shape.

My favorite one is called time-restricted feeding, which basically means eating a very early dinner and then not eating or drinking anything except water and prescribed medications until breakfast the next morning. As long as I get in at least a 12 hour night fast, I maintain my weight. If I fast for less than 12 hours per night, I tend to gain weight. In one RCT, people who night fasted for 16 hours per night lost ~5% weight, which is one of the FDA's criteria to approve a new weight loss treatment.

We've actually got some pretty safe and effective weight loss treatments too, especially topiramate combined with phentermine, but eating an early dinner and fasting until breakfast the next day works well enough for me that I don't need to bother with that.

Other low-hanging fruit include not drinking anything that has a lot of sugar in it (e.g. sodas, fruit juices, "energy" drinks). I use stevia or Splenda in my coffee instead of sugar. I also avoid any foods that make me feel bad after I eat them (physically, mentally, or emotionally), since foods that can do that tend to also make me gain weight.

Nothing in this post is advice of any kind.
 
I intermittently fast, both by increasing eating windows, and intermittently not eating for a few days at a time. I feel great when I do these, and I've not noticed any impact on my lifts, aside from the first day or so.

I take my BG pretty religiously (not diabetic, just for general health observation), and before I started intermittent fasting, my fasting BG seemed to sit around 95 or so. Now it sits at a steady 71. I took it after consuming a Muscle Milk, and it was 74.

I don't take any refined sugar (except strategic dextrose). I do use splenda in my coffee (which probably isn't good for me) but its hard to drink my espresso without anything in it. My diet pretty much solely consists of: vegetables, fruits, steak, chicken breast, wild game, milk (for my espresso), eggs, and every now and then some rice, oatmeal, or potato. I've noticed its easy to maintain my weight like this, and I enjoy the food. If you eat healthily long enough you get used to it, and like the food more.

If I'm trying to hit a new PR, I do ramp up my carbs beforehand, and take dextrose immediately following my workout. I used to always take in 30g or so of dextrose post workout, and saw better gains, but ofcourse you gain more fat as well.

As far as lifting, I mostly rely on compound lifts (Strict overhead press, bench, deadlift, squat, and row), and sometimes add in supplemental work like Romanian deadlifts or machines like the cable row etc if I feel like something is lagging. Rarely I do some isolation work, which I actually love, but if I go overboard, I find my my strength progress stunted.
 
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