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I have no idea whatsoever what scientology is about. Would a kind soul please enlighten me about this strange "religion"?

I couldn't help but take notice how scientology's hateful approach to psychiatry has been rampant in the media lately what is that about?

Thanks!
 
They (myself included) believe that aliens have inhabited the earth among us for years and are wating for their time to return to glory. I wish I were kidding.
 
Dude, you need to get your thetans audited. At least that's what they call it when you pay the "church" thousands of dollars to rid you of evil alien spirits. Watch this episode of Southpark for details on the cult click here. There is a description of what Scientologists actually believe about 60% into the episode. Enjoy.
 
Check out wikipedia. They provide a nice little overview of Scientology.
 
Psyclops said:
They (myself included) believe that aliens have inhabited the earth among us for years and are wating for their time to return to glory. I wish I were kidding.
Yes! Yes! now it all makes since! This is what I've been missing out on, I just needed to find a religion made up by a science fiction writer. Does George Lucas have a religion? Starwarsology maybe?
 
When I lived in Cali- the dianetics people used to try and bring you into their "shop" or whatever it was on Hollywood blvd. One day me and a girlfriend went in and took this personality test or whatever it was. They said we needed healing - and that if we bought the book "DIANETICS" for 39.95, we would be healed. :laugh:

He may not have invented a religion, a cult yes, but he sure the hell got RICH off this scam! Damn, wish I had thought of it...Call it Poetetics or something pfftttt
 
My run-in with the Church of Scientology

I tried to keep an open mind, but these people are just nuts.

About a year ago (before the whole Tom Cruise freaking out on Oprah thing) I'm walking home through this little public square area, and there are some people there with these strange briefcases containing a mysterious electronic device. So I walk over there to see what it is, and this guy asks me if I want a free stress test. OK, so it's a galvanic skin response meter, kinda like in a polygraph test or a biofeedback test. I've heard of this before, so I say sure.

So this guy starts telling me about how our mind is made up of images from the past, some are subconscious, and some evoke stress, etc. A valid analogy I suppose. So he starts asking me questions, and the needle moves around depending on if I'm thinking about "stressful" things. All fine.

Then he tells me that L. Ron Hubbard invented this device to help people resolve their inner conflicts, etc. Uh oh. First, I don't think L. Ron Hubbard invented the galvanic response meter, and second, I realized I was about to get a Scientology lecture. But I try to keep an open mind, because really, I only know three things about Scientology: 1) John Travolta is a Scientologst, 2) Eddie Murphy did a damn fine job of making fun of them in Bowfinger, and 3) they tried to sue Google under the DMCA for linking to anti-Scientology websites. Maybe there's more to it. Boy, is there...

So this guy starts telling me that Scientology gets a lot of bad press in the US because psychiatrists are allied against it. As I am studying to become a psychiatrist, I am curious why that is. Because if L. Ron Hubbards device can cure depression, he tells me, then nobody will need psychiatrists. At this point, I am still holding the GSR meter sensors, and the needle starts to move in the stress direction, but his back is to the machine. He then goes on to say that antidepressent drugs can't cure depression because "drugs don't know the images in your mind." So here I am, with a Ph.D. in Neuroscience, in medical school to become a psychiatrist, listening to this crap. Needless to say, the needle continues to move to the right. Then he tells me about how the drug companies and psychiatrists are conspiring to get everone on drugs. He says that the drug companies lobbied Congress to pass a law that says people are required to be on anti-depressant medication before they are allowed to collect Social Security. Now that's just flat-out incorrect, and now the needle is redlining it. But he's not done - teachers get paid by drug companies to put kids on Ritalin. (while I concede that ADHD might be over diagnosed, I don't think it's quite the conspiracy he's making it out to be). The Scientologists are trying to get legislation passed that would make it illegal for a child's school to suggst a that child needs psychiatric care. Ack!

Anyway, I let go of the sensor thingies, because now the needle is all the way to the right, and I start to ask him about his facts. Then he whips out a copy of Dianetics and tries to get me to buy it. I politely decline, and try to challenge his facts a little. When I see I'm not going to get anywhere, I excuse myself and continue on my way home.

I'm glad he didn't start talking to me about thetans or whatever. I think my head might've exploded.
 
L ron hubbard must not have invented the "galvanic response meter" when I met up with them - damn, another invention I coulda made billions off of!

Hurricane, what say you and I invent some new mysterious religion with a conspiracy theory to back it up? I'll make up some machine thinger majiger that can insert happy thoughts into your mind if you BELIEVE it strong enough... we can sell your writings with my machine compacted into one packet for hmmm say.... 19.99 +S and H, but if you act now, you can get TWO machines for the price of one! :laugh:
 
Poety said:
L ron hubbard must not have invented the "galvanic response meter" when I met up with them - damn, another invention I coulda made billions off of!

Hurricane, what say you and I invent some new mysterious religion with a conspiracy theory to back it up? I'll make up some machine thinger majiger that can insert happy thoughts into your mind if you BELIEVE it strong enough... we can sell your writings with my machine compacted into one packet for hmmm say.... 19.99 +S and H, but if you act now, you can get TWO machines for the price of one! :laugh:

Worship me, my minions.

Find ye, the way of Saziology, and let your hearts and minds know the true meaning of human existence. For it is written in the Jedi code.
 
Anasazi23 said:
Worship me, my minions.

Find ye, the way of Saziology, and let your hearts and minds know the true meaning of human existence. For it is written in the Jedi code.

YES! I want to be a Saziologist!! I will even get a tattoo of his avatar if it can lead me to know the true meaning of human existence!
 
OldPsychDoc said:
YES! I want to be a Saziologist!! I will even get a tattoo of his avatar if it can lead me to know the true meaning of human existence!


If we join today do we get a complimentary copy of sazinetics?
 
Solideliquid said:
If we join today do we get a complimentary copy of sazinetics?


:laugh: Today is a twofor deal - Sazinetics and Poetetics for the price of one!
 
Hurricane said:
My run-in with the Church of Scientology

At this point, I am still holding the GSR meter sensors, and the needle starts to move in the stress direction, but his back is to the machine. He then goes on to say that antidepressent drugs can't cure depression because "drugs don't know the images in your mind." So here I am, with a Ph.D. in Neuroscience, in medical school to become a psychiatrist, listening to this crap. Needless to say, the needle continues to move to the right. Then he tells me about how the drug companies and psychiatrists are conspiring to get everone on drugs. He says that the drug companies lobbied Congress to pass a law that says people are required to be on anti-depressant medication before they are allowed to collect Social Security. Now that's just flat-out incorrect, and now the needle is redlining it. But he's not done - teachers get paid by drug companies to put kids on Ritalin. (while I concede that ADHD might be over diagnosed, I don't think it's quite the conspiracy he's making it out to be). The Scientologists are trying to get legislation passed that would make it illegal for a child's school to suggst a that child needs psychiatric care. Ack!

Anyway, I let go of the sensor thingies, because now the needle is all the way to the right, and I start to ask him about his facts. Then he whips out a copy of Dianetics and tries to get me to buy it. I politely decline, and try to challenge his facts a little. When I see I'm not going to get anywhere, I excuse myself and continue on my way home.

I'm glad he didn't start talking to me about thetans or whatever. I think my head might've exploded.


:wow: No actual rebuttals from this guy other than buy this book?

Sheesh.
 
One of the things nobody pays attention to is L. Ron Hubbard's origins. Hubbard is widely published as having said to many of his colleagues and others, ""Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion."

The fact is that the origin of most religions lies in an intrinsic desire to better understand the world around us and offer some explanations. That's what makes a religion attractive to its followers (in addition to aspects of community, a sense of belonging, a sense of "truth" or whatever else). Scientology offers a way for people to understand the modern world in its present state in a simple way without having to learn the often more complex ideas in disciplines that follow a scientific or evidence-based method. This serves as an affront to scientific advancement as many of the principles of scientology simply discount scientifically supported concepts to the benefit of a simple, literal understanding of Hubbard's original work. (I don't mean to compare, but you can compare it to the anti-evolution, anti-"the earth actually isn't the center of the universe" views adopted by the Christian church back in the day, which existed because they were considered direct affronts to much simpler and widely understood principles that were based on no scientific evidence - this of course exists in all religions and separates whether we should regard a religion as a philosophy of life and how to lead it (Buddhism is a good example) or as a literal description of it.)
 
BEHAVIORAL DRUGS
Religious bias may have spurred demise of child medicating bill
Lawmakers killed a bill that would have told parents about the risks of mental-health drugs for kids, amid concerns of a Scientology influence.
BY MARC CAPUTO
[email protected]


TALLAHASSEE - An effort to warn parents of the dangers of mental-health drugs on children was defeated unexpectedly Tuesday by lawmakers, feeding speculation that it was killed in part because of its link to the Church of Scientology, which opposes the use of the drugs.

The bill was touted last month by prominent Scientologists and actresses Kelly Preston and Kirstie Alley.

It would have required parents to read and sign a long and ominous-sounding statement detailing the dangers of the drugs once their children are referred in public school for evaluations of learning disabilities or emotional, behavioral or mental disorders.

PASSED LAST YEAR

A similar measure passed the full Legislature last year, but was vetoed by Gov. Jeb Bush, who thought the bill went too far.

Miami Beach Republican Rep. Gus Barreiro, a kids' rights crusader worried about the ''epidemic'' of over-drugging, drafted the new legislation to quell the governor's concerns and give parents the right to know the risks of drugs such as Ritalin and Strattera.

''This is bigger than tobacco,'' Barreiro said, citing a state report showing a 425 percent increase over the past five years in diagnoses of attention-deficit disorder. ``What's happening to our kids and what we're doing to our kids, it's really, truly inexcusable.''

BILL OVERLY BIASED

But on a 6-4 vote, the House Health Care Regulation Committee heeded the warnings of mental-health specialists and killed the legislation, saying it would have presented parents an overly biased view against mental-health treatments, thereby erecting barriers to treatment.

''It's misleading,'' said Rep. Eleanor Sobel, a Hollywood Democrat. To illustrate her point, she read off the side-effects of one popular medication that sounded dangerous before noting its name: Penicillin.

Sobel, like the others who voted against the bill, said she opposed it because of its contents, not its supporters -- the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a Scientology-funded organization dedicated to ``investigating and exposing psychiatric human rights abuse.''

The Clearwater-based executive director of the commission's Florida chapter, Helyn Dunn, said it will continue to push the legislation in the Senate and build on what it says is a coalition of nearly 30 groups worried about drugging kids.

Concerns about Scientology have ''been a problem all along,'' Dunn said. ``But this isn't about Scientology or Scientologists. The overdrugging of children should concern everybody.''

The disclosure letter the legislation called for would have furthered the commission's battle against psychiatrists by telling parents that the diagnosis of mental disorders such as depression and attention-deficit disorder are ``based on . . . observation and subjective interpretation.''

SCIENTOLOGIST SUPPORT

The commission's lobbyist, Bob Reynolds, said that ''a number'' of lawmakers -- he wouldn't say who -- inquired about the Scientology angle.

'It was said with some frequency: `This is who you represent.' And that's sad. This is a participatory democracy,'' Reynolds said.

Barreiro said he, too, was aware of some colleagues' discomfort with Scientology and said it ''could have played a role'' in the defeat of the legislation.

He and Reynolds said the opposition by mental-health professionals played a big part as well.

Among the opponents was Wayne K. Goodman, a University of Florida psychiatry professor and chair of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's psycho-pharmacology advisory panel.

Goodman said the letter to parents could have been a ''barrier'' to treatment because it stressed the ''black box'' warnings about mental health drugs, but did nothing to inform parents of their effectiveness.
 
The million-year war for Earth has only just begun. We servants of Xenu, I mean psychiatry supporters, have to stand together if we hope to defeat this formidable opponent.

Everyone together now: IN YOUR FACE Kelly Preston and Kirstie Alley! :meanie:
 
i61164 said:
The million-year war for Earth has only just begun. We servants of Xenu, I mean psychiatry supporters, have to stand together if we hope to defeat this formidable opponent.

Everyone together now: IN YOUR FACE Kelly Preston and Kirstie Alley! :meanie:


They are scientologists too?!
 
Solideliquid said:
They are scientologists too?!

Here's a list of scientologists that I've been trying to boycott for a while:

Tom Cruise
John Travolta
Kelly Preston
Kirstie Alley (I even persuaded my Mom against going to Jenny Craig)
Giovani Ribisi
Juliette Lewis
Priscilla and Lisa Marie Presley
Beck (that one hurt the most)
Isaac Hayes (except for South Park, obviously. Easier now.)
Greta van Susteren
Laura Prepon and Danny Masterson from That 70s Show
Chris Masterson from Malcolm in the Middle
Leah Remini from The King of Queens
Jenna Elfman from Dharma and Greg
Catherine Bell from JAG
 
Doc Samson said:
Here's a list of scientologists that I've been trying to boycott for a while:

Tom Cruise
John Travolta
Kelly Preston
Kirstie Alley (I even persuaded my Mom against going to Jenny Craig)
Giovani Ribisi
Juliette Lewis
Priscilla and Lisa Marie Presley
Beck (that one hurt the most)
Isaac Hayes (except for South Park, obviously. Easier now.)
Greta van Susteren
Laura Prepon and Danny Masterson from That 70s Show
Chris Masterson from Malcolm in the Middle
Leah Remini from The King of Queens
Jenna Elfman from Dharma and Greg
Catherine Bell from JAG


Why are we seeing Hollywood movie stars filling the ranks of scientologists? Are they getting a special deal on Dianetics or something?
 
I'm sorry but Jen Elfman is hot. I'd totally convert if she asked me.

Of course my only other skill would be working the drive thru, "would you like to super size that ma'am?"
 
If actors believe then it must be true!
These people are SHEEP! Driven about by every whim of the latest trend. If Tom Cruise is a hit and I am an aspiring actor I will do what Tommy does so I can be "cool" too. Wait a second why am I even responding to this?
I cannot stand "celebrity" as a form of status. And here I go giving them attention satisfying their very purpose. Sorry.
Religion is a very sensitive subject as we all know. I am curious to know if anyone here actually knows or has had a real conversation with a believing scientologist. I hope to meet one in my future so I can investigate what the motivating factors are within their minds and hearts. (Although I probably will not be seeing any in the clinic 🙄 )
Oh yes, I said heart. As a future psychiatrist I believe in parabiological forces.
 
Solideliquid said:
Why are we seeing Hollywood movie stars filling the ranks of scientologists? Are they getting a special deal on Dianetics or something?

Oh my God...I had no idea Greta Van Susteren was a scientologist. I almost choked on my iced-tea when I read that. I had to confirm it separetly. That's....just....insane. I knew there was a reason I never liked her - even though she's on Fox News.

I mean....wow.

In other news...
From the $cientology Kill$ website. re: Scientology and psychiatry.
 
Doc Samson said:
Beck (that one hurt the most)

Cut Beck a little slack. His parents are scientologists, so he was raised to believe in thetans and whatnot. It takes a lot more effort to denounce your parents' religion than to say "no thanks" to the guys hawking Dianetics on the street corner...
 
Solideliquid said:
Why are we seeing Hollywood movie stars filling the ranks of scientologists? Are they getting a special deal on Dianetics or something?

The "Church" of Scientology treats celebrities like royalty in the hopes that having celebrity members will boost thier image. On the contrary, intelligent people see that it's usually only the stupid celebs that get sucked into this cult. I don't really blame Beck though. Children are pretty impressionable.
 
I had no idea that Scientology was this, well,,, crazy! I knew it was cult like and such and I've totally boycotted Cruise, but I had no idea they had this unrealistic belief in science fiction novel type ideas. I mean Xenon, give me a break! The site sazi refered had me captivated for hours and I am still not finished. What I don't understand is, if they hate psychiatry and psychology so much, why do they reference disorders used in the DSM and such. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not the ever dreaded mental health feild that coined the term "antisocial personality?" HHMMMMM!

What does “suppressive person” mean?

According to L. Ron Hubbard, a suppressive person is “a person who seeks to suppress, or squash, any betterment activity or group. A suppressive person suppresses other people in his vicinity. This is the person whose behaviour is calculated to be disastrous.” Well-known examples of such a personality are Napoleon and Hitler. Mr. Hubbard found that a suppressive person, also called antisocial personality, has definite antisocial attributes.

The basic reason the antisocial personality behaves as he or she does lies in a hidden terror of others. To such a person every other being is an enemy, an enemy to be covertly or overtly destroyed. The fixation is that survival itself depends on “keeping others down” or “keeping people ignorant.” If anyone were to promise to make others stronger or brighter, the antisocial personality would suffer the utmost agony.

Because of this, the suppressive person seeks to upset, continuously undermine, spread bad news about and denigrate betterment activities and groups. Thus the antisocial personality is against what Scientology is about — helping people become more able and improving conditions in society. For the good of the Church and the individuals in it, such a person is officially labeled a suppressive person so that others will know not to associate with him.
This cult seems to be extremely threatened by psychiatry and other mental health feilds b/c we know they are fools and totally ignorant, and we just might get in the way of there delusions. What a trip! I almost wan't to check out a church just to actually witness this nonsence with my own "disconnected" mind! HA!
 
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I'm thinking of making this my new avatar - at least for a while in order to give Ignignot a break.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
The duct tape on the first sign is a nice touch.
Looks like they stole the cardboard out of a schizophrenic bag-lady's shopping cart, too.


LOL
 
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