is this true that board 1 is P/F?

[gegogi]

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Hello,
I am a class of 2014 and just found out that board exam part 1 became P/F system this year and it is applied from current D1 class.
Then, what about specialty program? Do you think it's better work on lab experience than didatic studying if I want to open my chance to specializing?
My school is not ready for this. We have a few classes w/ medical students and study more than other schools where focuses their efforts on lab work.
What do you think and is it true?

 

[Doc Smile]

Hello,
I am a class of 2014 and just found out that board exam part 1 became P/F system this year and it is applied from current D1 class.
Then, what about specialty program? Do you think it's better work on lab experience than didatic studying if I want to open my chance to specializing?
My school is not ready for this. We have a few classes w/ medical students and study more than other schools where focuses their efforts on lab work.
What do you think and is it true?

Yes. Signed, passed, in place. (try the search function next time for more thorough answers)

As far as specialty programs: Ortho already has the GRE and OMS is probably going to require the NBME.

Lastly, it may aid you in the future to work on your sentence syntax so your questions could be understood in a coherent manner.

 

[DrReo]

Yes. Signed, passed, in place. (try the search function next time for more thorough answers)

As far as specialty programs: Ortho already has the GRE and OMS is probably going to require the NBME.

Lastly, it may aid you in the future to work on your sentence syntax so your questions could be understood in a coherent manner.

Is this a coherent run on?

Boards become pass/fail Jan 2012.

 

[Doc Smile]

Is this a coherent run on?

Boards become pass/fail Jan 2012.

I don't think it is a run on. Is it?

 

[dentalWorks]

OMS is probably going to require the NBME.

Wait... Doesn't NBME write the USMLE exams? So, people wanting to push for OMFS will have to take USMLE step 1?

 

[Doc Smile]

Wait... Doesn't NBME write the USMLE exams? So, people wanting to push for OMFS will have to take USMLE step 1?

The NBME is a test that med students take to gauge there future performance on the USMLE step1. It is pretty accurate. All the OMFS interns are taking the NBME soon to compare the incoming applicants to. That is the word on the street at least

 

[Vicviper]

Not that it really matters if your boards are pass/fail in the long run, but be sure to see if your school takes boards after year one or year two, because most of the class of 2014 here at Pitt will still be taking them scored.

 

[MarkND]

Yes. Signed, passed, in place. (try the search function next time for more thorough answers)

As far as specialty programs: Ortho already has the GRE and OMS is probably going to require the NBME.

Lastly, it may aid you in the future to work on your sentence syntax so your questions could be understood in a coherent manner.[/QUOTE]





To Doc Smile; Easy trooper! Just answer the question and stop the snub!

 

[Doc Smile]

Yes. Signed, passed, in place. (try the search function next time for more thorough answers)

As far as specialty programs: Ortho already has the GRE and OMS is probably going to require the NBME.

Lastly, it may aid you in the future to work on your sentence syntax so your questions could be understood in a coherent manner.[/QUOTE]





To Doc Smile; Easy trooper! Just answer the question and stop the snub!

I did answer his question and provided some feedback. Believe me that he probably could have got more flack from someone else for asking such a over asked question.

PS. How did you contribute to the OPs question besides for just "snub" me? Maybe you should practice what you preach "trooper."

 

[MarkND]

Yes. Signed, passed, in place. (try the search function next time for more thorough answers)

As far as specialty programs: Ortho already has the GRE and OMS is probably going to require the NBME.

Lastly, it may aid you in the future to work on your sentence syntax so your questions could be understood in a coherent manner.[/QUOTE]





To Doc Smile; Easy trooper! Just answer the question and stop the snub!

I did answer his question and provided some feedback. Believe me that he probably could have got more flack from someone else for asking such a over asked question.

PS. How did you contribute to the OPs question besides for just "snub" me? Maybe you should practice what you preach "trooper."

Your answers to his/her questions were correct, but I think you could have been more polite in your response. No need for going overboard on this... Just ask Garetto!! 🙂

 

[punkin85]

Several dental schools have D1s take boards right after the first year. Therefore, they'll be taking it summer of 2011. In this case the boards are NOT PASS/FAIL and will still be scored. It's a tough situation for the class of 2014 since, when applying to specialty programs, some students who took the scored exam will be compared to those who took it pass/fail.

Of course, this can work either in your favor or not if you are scored. If you did amazing and had a great score it might look better than just seeing a general "pass"-even if the other student did just as well. Or...if you passed but did not do well it may be pretty bad for them to see your score compared to a "pass"-even if the other person really did just as bad!

 

[futuredent0505]

Lastly, it may aid you in the future to work on your sentence syntax so your questions could be understood in a coherent manner.

Easy there killer...

 

[TK2006]

Yes. Signed, passed, in place. (try the search function next time for more thorough answers)

As far as specialty programs: Ortho already has the GRE and OMS is probably going to require the NBME.

Lastly, it may aid you in the future to work on your sentence syntax so your questions could be understood in a coherent manner.

A lowly pre-dent here.

I was wondering if my specialization chances would be higher if I were fortunate enough to attend Harvard School of Dental Medicine.

Since Boards Pt 1 will certainly become P/F, the Magic 90 will be no more. My main attraction to Harvard has been their high specialization rate - 30+ out of 35 students or something like that - mainly due to their high board scores, I presume; however, since the Boards Pt 1 will be P/F, how will Harvard's specialization rate be affected? Does anybody have a guess?

Also, please correct me if I am wrong about the correlation between HSDM graduate's Boards 1 scores and the specialization rate. Maybe there is another factor that helps HSDM graduates match into desired specialties much more easily.

So I guess my main question is, "Will attending Harvard (if fortunate enough) still give me the edge in specializing that it has given to its past graduates?"

Thanks for any responses!

 

[DrReo]

A lowly pre-dent here.

I was wondering if my specialization chances would be higher if I were fortunate enough to attend Harvard School of Dental Medicine.

Since Boards Pt 1 will certainly become P/F, the Magic 90 will be no more. My main attraction to Harvard has been their high specialization rate - 30+ out of 35 students or something like that - mainly due to their high board scores, I presume; however, since the Boards Pt 1 will be P/F, how will Harvard's specialization rate be affected? Does anybody have a guess?

Also, please correct me if I am wrong about the correlation between HSDM graduate's Boards 1 scores and the specialization rate. Maybe there is another factor that helps HSDM graduates match into desired specialties much more easily.

So I guess my main question is, "Will attending Harvard (if fortunate enough) still give me the edge in specializing that it has given to its past graduates?"

Thanks for any responses!

Specializing depends on the individual, not the school. I strongly believe if the same individual could go to two and they wanted to specialize, they would make it happened. In fact, the Harvard graduates I know are general dentists. Also, do those statistics include GPR/AEGDs?

 

[TK2006]

Specializing depends on the individual, not the school. I strongly believe if the same individual could go to two and they wanted to specialize, they would make it happened. In fact, the Harvard graduates I know are general dentists. Also, do those statistics include GPR/AEGDs?

Maybe these numbers aren't the most accurate, but these are some that I found through a quick search on Google.

The data come from Journal of Dental Education: http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/72/6/688

Statistics from the Harvard School of Dental Medicine (HSDM) from 2004 to 2007 show that an average of 87.6 percent of graduates continue their training in postdoctoral programs, with 72.9 percent specializing and 14.7 percent pursuing advanced training in general dentistry. Because of this high proportion of students who pursue postgraduate education, HSDM is an appropriate institution at which to begin defining the factors that influence selection of these programs.

So assuming they still had 35 students, that means 30.66 people (87.6%) chose higher education with 25.52 (72.9%) choosing specialization and 5.15 (14.7%) people doing GPR/AEGD.

Anyway, I understand that it's the student that determines yay or nay for specialization due to motivation/drive/etc; however, I do feel that some institutions aid those who want to specialize. Maybe I'm totally wrong, though.

I was just curious. My main reason for applying to HSDM despite high living expenses was their specialization rate.

Any other ideas?

 

[nanilla]

Here is my take on it.

Those schools that traditionally send high numbers on to specialties are those schools who admit students who not only excel in school but on standardized tests (DAT). So it is no wonder that when you take a majority of students who do well above the national average on the DAT they go on to do well above the national average on the boards and thus have the opportunity to go on to specialize.

It is also cyclical, students see these "specialization" numbers and believe these schools (Harvard, Columbia, Penn, UCSF, UCONN) will help them go on and specialize and so attend these schools. But, in reality this type of student could and would specialize from anywhere, these types of schools really do benefit from the hard work of their students.

That is not to say that some of these schools curriculum may help one specialize. Arguably p/np and having a medical (heavily didactic curriculum) may help one specialize. But, these factors do not even come close to the impact of accepting students with higher GPAs and higher DAT scores.

 

[TK2006]

Here is my take on it.

Those schools that traditionally send high numbers on to specialties are those schools who admit students who not only excel in school but on standardized tests (DAT). So it is no wonder that when you take a majority of students who do well above the national average on the DAT they go on to do well above the national average on the boards and thus have the opportunity to go on to specialize.

It is also cyclical, students see these "specialization" numbers and believe these schools (Harvard, Columbia, Penn, UCSF, UCONN) will help them go on and specialize and so attend these schools. But, in reality this type of student could and would specialize from anywhere, these types of schools really do benefit from the hard work of their students.

That is not to say that some of these schools curriculum may help one specialize. Arguably p/np and having a medical (heavily didactic curriculum) may help one specialize. But, these factors do not even come close to the impact of accepting students with higher GPAs and higher DAT scores.

Thank you for your insight. I do think that there is a recursive function in those schools that accept higher-stats applicants.

Anyway, I just don't know what to think anymore. I guess I'll just choose (if granted the opportunity) a school with the cheapest tuition.

 

[txlonghorn]

I think the school has a little to do with it as well, but not in the way most people think. If one were to go to Columbia, the person could specialize with a lower class rank. However, if the same person went to UTHSCSA, where the entering gpa was around a 3.8 a few years back, it would become a lot harder for the person to be in the top of the class.

 

[flapaTron]

I think the school has a little to do with it as well, but not in the way most people think. If one were to go to Columbia, the person could specialize with a lower class rank. However, if the same person went to UTHSCSA, where the entering gpa was around a 3.8 a few years back, it would become a lot harder for the person to be in the top of the class.

well actually we're technically not ranked here at Columbia. and ultimately i think people invest a little too much into the idea that the school you go to determines your chances at specializing. all it boils down to is (1) doing well gradewise, (2) externiships, (3) research and/or being active in student organizations, and (4) your letters of recommendation. just bust your ass and work hard at any school you go to ......which should ideally be the cheapest one.

regarding a test replacement, i know at AAOMS conference they spoke of using the NBDE...so that may actually come to fruition for prospective OMFS applicants post 2012.

EDIT: should read NBME, not NBDE

 

[txlonghorn]

regarding a test replacement, i know at AAOMS conference they spoke of using the NBDE...so that may actually come to fruition for prospective OMFS applicants post 2012.

You mean the NBME.

 

[flapaTron]

whoops thanks tx, i meant to say the NBME, not the NBDE.