I've been accepted into college...now I have a few questions

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Hey everybody, I'm a high school senior in Texas, and I've applied and been accepted into several colleges. (I think I may end of going to the University of Houston, the 2nd largest college in Texas, they have a great optometry program) I make average/above average grades. My overall high school GPA is about a 3.3. I've wanted to be a doctor my entire life, nothing else feels right for me. Like many other people, I thought having a science major would better my chances in getting medical school, but after reading several threads on the subject, I've learned otherwise. I've decided to major in Business Administration. Now I need to know how exactly my classes will work. What year of college would I start my pre-med classes? Would my pre-med courses ever interfere with my business major classes, I mean would I ever have to end up taking summer school because of course overload? And would any of you reccomend me going to a 6-year medical program in Antigua right out of high school [my mom really wants me to do this].

Thanks so much.
 
Hey everybody, I'm a high school senior in Texas, and I've applied and been accepted into several colleges. (I think I may end of going to the University of Houston, the 2nd largest college in Texas, they have a great optometry program) I make average/above average grades. My overall high school GPA is about a 3.3. I've wanted to be a doctor my entire life, nothing else feels right for me. Like many other people, I thought having a science major would better my chances in getting medical school, but after reading several threads on the subject, I've learned otherwise. I've decided to major in Business Administration. Now I need to know how exactly my classes will work. What year of college would I start my pre-med classes? Would my pre-med courses ever interfere with my business major classes, I mean would I ever have to end up taking summer school because of course overload? And would any of you reccomend me going to a 6-year medical program in Antigua right out of high school [my mom really wants me to do this].

Thanks so much.

Take Biology 1 and 2 and Gen Chem 1 and 2 first year, Organic 1 and 2 and Physics sophomore/junior, Calc I and stats Freshman/sophomore year, 2 semesters English and the same of social sciences in the first 3 years. These would not likely interfere as most of these would be electives/gen eds. You would not have to take summer courses, most likely. If you wanted to do an accelerated program do it in the US or don't do it all. I imagine you mean AUA's program they aren't even Big 4 Ross, AUC, Saba and SGU. They're not 50 states accredited and you won't match in anything competitive if you match at all. Caribbean schools are last resorts. Ignore your mother on this one.
 
I make average/above average grades. My overall high school GPA is about a 3.3.
High school and college are generally very different. People who were at the top in high school may find themselves in the middle (or even at the bottom) in college; people who were in the middle or at the bottom in high school may find themselves closer to the top. If you go far from home then you'll be experiencing a major lifestyle change and a lot of personal development. Combined with the fact that your high school probably taught you quite differently from the college (and may or may not have sufficiently prepared you for college studying), nothing is a given.

I made the mistake of assuming that because I had an easy time in high school, that things would be the same for me in college. That cost me a few semesters in terms of grades. Go in there expecting it to be difficult and to struggle, and you'll probably do very well. Never become complacent.

Like many other people, I thought having a science major would better my chances in getting medical school, but after reading several threads on the subject, I've learned otherwise. I've decided to major in Business Administration. Now I need to know how exactly my classes will work. What year of college would I start my pre-med classes? Would my pre-med courses ever interfere with my business major classes, I mean would I ever have to end up taking summer school because of course overload?
You're very smart - it's true, medical schools generally don't care what you majored in, they just care about your grades (and the grades from one major aren't weighted in relation to another - a 4.0 from the easiest major possible is better than a 3.7 from the hardest major possible). In recent years there's arguably been a backlash against traditional science-trained applicants, but it's hard to say whether there's real discrimination or whether it's just that people got smart and started taking easier classes (read: not science) and getting into medical school that way.

It's a total perversion of what I think the education system is supposed to be about, but here's a tip for you: shuffle your schedule to be as advantageous to you as possible, and find and take the easy courses. Every school has those types, I think; at my undergrad institution you could tell which professors were easy because a ton of the sports players would be in those classes. Those are easy A's. I despise that advice, however, because I think that college should be about taking courses that really interest you and/or that would expose you to things that you might not otherwise have had exposure to. Thinking about it this way makes college nothing more than a game of grades, and strategy around it. Don't go overboard with that advice, but keep it in mind, and know that some of your competitors vying for slots in medical school will be doing that.

As to when to take the courses, whenever you can fit it in. At my institution we had a minor for pre-meds who weren't taking the standard science major. The minor consisted of the pre-medical requirements. Your adviser (whether business or not) should be able to help you figure out when to take which courses at what time.


And would any of you reccomend me going to a 6-year medical program in Antigua right out of high school [my mom really wants me to do this].
Absolutely not. As a general rule. US medical schools (whether allopathic or osteopathic) are much more preferable. Once you finish medical school you need to get into a residency program. That's when you're officially working (and you get paid, but not much), yet you're technically still in training. Graduates from the Caribbean schools have a harder time getting into a residency program; foreign medical school graduates also have a very hard time getting into residencies. It doesn't mean you can't be a doctor or that you'd be a bad doctor, but it does make things difficult on yourself.

For example, I know of a guy who did one of those six-year programs straight out of high school, in a European country. Sure, he has a MD, but it's been years and he still hasn't been able to secure a residency position.

I've wanted to be a doctor my entire life, nothing else feels right for me.
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to be a doctor, and how do you know you'd be unhappy doing anything else? If you know what you want to do it's quite admirable and you arguably have a leg up on people who were unsure of what they wanted to do. But at such an early stage in life, and with arguably limited exposure to other working fields, how can you really rule everything else out? Don't drop your goal of medicine, but definitely stay open to the things you'll experience in college.

It's a long, hard path to get into medical school, and it doesn't get any easier from there on. It's good that you're focused this early, but take care that you don't burn out.
 
Take Biology 1 and 2 and Gen Chem 1 and 2 first year, Organic 1 and 2 and Physics sophomore/junior, Calc I and stats Freshman/sophomore year, 2 semesters English and the same of social sciences in the first 3 years. These would not likely interfere as most of these would be electives/gen eds. You would not have to take summer courses, most likely. If you wanted to do an accelerated program do it in the US or don't do it all. I imagine you mean AUA's program they aren't even Big 4 Ross, AUC, Saba and SGU. They're not 50 states accredited and you won't match in anything competitive if you match at all. Caribbean schools are last resorts. Ignore your mother on this one.

Okay, I'm not taking a math class this year (which I really doubt), but I was in a class that I got a Pre-Cal credit for in my junior year. I'm kinda afraid I'm gonna score low on the math placement test, but I think I can pull off getting into regular. Would it be okay if I took Calculus my sophmore year instead of feshman year? And I didn't want to do the whole accelerated program anyway, that's just how my mom is sometimes, always wanting the for her babies lol. And I always ignore my parents, that is if it doesn't involve my allowance, if so I'm all ears lol.



Just out of curiosity, why do you want to be a doctor, and how do you know you'd be unhappy doing anything else? If you know what you want to do it's quite admirable and you arguably have a leg up on people who were unsure of what they wanted to do. But at such an early stage in life, and with arguably limited exposure to other working fields, how can you really rule everything else out? Don't drop your goal of medicine, but definitely stay open to the things you'll experience in college.

Well, I know this sounds corny, but I love to help people, and I believe that there's no better way to help people than to help them live longer. And I come from a background of family in the medical field, my grandma, mom, and several of my aunts are nurses. I've always been interested by the medical field. And I'm completely aware that my dreams can change througout my life, and maybe one day I'll decide that I don't want to be a docotor, who knows what the future holds? This is one of the reasons I'm majoring in Business Administration, my parents have their own business, and if all else fails, I could take over after they retire. And let us not forget the cliche bank robbery scene when someone is shot by accident and some yells, "I'm a doctor! I can help!" lol I can't way to be able to say that!
 
Well, I know this sounds corny, but I love to help people, and I believe that there's no better way to help people than to help them live longer. And I come from a background of family in the medical field, my grandma, mom, and several of my aunts are nurses. I've always been interested by the medical field.
That's a pretty good answer. I'll play devil's advocate and take it a step further, if you're up for it: why a doctor? You like to help people, but clearly there are many jobs that involving helping people. If you want to help people to live longer, why not go into medical research, pharmaceuticals, or even education so that you can teach people about healthy lifestyles? If you want to work with sick people directly, you're likely aware that we're facing a dire shortage of nurses right now - why not go into nursing?

I don't doubt your desire, I'm just curious to see how you'll respond. "I want to help people" is probably the #1 reason (or stated reason, at least) for why many people want to be doctors, after all.

And I'm completely aware that my dreams can change througout my life, and maybe one day I'll decide that I don't want to be a docotor, who knows what the future holds? This is one of the reasons I'm majoring in Business Administration...
That shows wisdom on your part. Well said.
 
Okay, I'll play lol. It's kind of hard to explain. None of those other jobs seem fitting because I want to play a direct role in affecting somebody's life. People come to the doctor's office completely unknowing to what is happening on the inside of their body. I like people depending on me I guess. Hope that makes sense lol.
 
Also agree with this post.

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Definitely do not go to Antigua to do a BS/MD! You'll be really putting a lot of unnecessary questions marks on your future career path doing that.

Otherwise, I'd say keep doing what you're doing. I'm a non-traditional student and I have no regrets over doing a non-biology major in college. Business administration sounds good to me. One caveat is that in medical school interviews, I'll bet you get a lot of "If you knew you wanted to be a doctor and go to medical school, why did you choose to major in business?"

So, be prepared to have good reasons on why your business background will help you as a doctor.

Last, yeah, don't listen to your mom. 2 more years ain't nothing. You'll be a full doctor for like 35-40 years, so 2 more isn't going to make or break ya.
 
People come to the doctor's office completely unknowing to what is happening on the inside of their body. I like people depending on me I guess. Hope that makes sense lol.
It makes perfect sense - everyone has a need to feel needed by others. I hope things go well for you.

As per the issue of not having to do a science major and med schools. Med schools are trying to increase diversity. I mean people in med school have majored across the board even within liberal arts departments and Colleges of Arts and sciences. As is they are finding that people who haven't done science majors are not necessarily at a huge disadvantage compared to those that did. In fact, sometimes they out perform their science major counterparts believe it or not. So yes if business interests you do it as your major. But if you plan on a 6 or 7 year BS/MD program then know that you won't get to do such.
This is true, and if I may rant, I really can't understand it. While someone from a business background might arguably be expected to have a better bedside manner than someone trained in the sciences (just going by stereotypes), who cares? I'd prefer to have a doctor that understands what's going on at all levels than to have one who is basically following textbook instructions and does it with more social flair. What's the purpose of having non-scientific diversity in medicine? Are doctors now removed from the position of being key decision makers to the point that their knowledge need only be superficial and memorized?

This is not to say that someone who didn't major in a science in their university years can't learn it and understand it all better than someone who did, but it seems strange to pick those types of people if true scientific understanding really is what's desired. Furthermore, I've heard of programs that completely cut out the requirement for basic sciences courses. I'm not sure how widespread they are, but people basically apply early in their college career and can be accepted to medical school, just like that. They never have to take a pre-med science, they don't even have to take the MCAT. The medical school takes it upon itself to give those people extra classes to be caught up on the basic science knowledge. Yet medical school is already such an information overload... how effective can that really be?

I've always associated doctors with scientists. I don't say all of this to put down anyone who didn't take the traditional path and who aspires to become a doctor (or is a doctor), of course. And I'd love to hear other opinions on this trend.

You won't really know if the career is for you until you're actually rotating starting in your 3rd year. If you can stay up all night without eating virtually anything all day, hassle with patients and relatives demanding you stuff you're not legally able to do yet, do scut work, and put up with superiors scolding and humilliating you nin front of everyone just because you're below them in the hierarchy scale and actually enjoy it and don't dread showing up in the hospital in a Saturday morning on the date all of your non medicine friends are going to the coolest party ever while you have to do another 30 hour shift, then you know medicine is for you.
What you describe is a rough phase, but it doesn't last forever. I've heard a number of doctors who remarked that in their training (mostly residency, I think) there were many times when they had the idea to throw in the towel and quit, because they were so miserable. But they stuck with it, passed through that period, and now really enjoy what they're doing. I think that period makes a number of people very jaded about medicine, though.

If you can pass through that period without becoming too jaded, and still enjoy what you're doing, then you know that medicine is right for you 🙂 That prolonged period of heavy abuse can probably be better thought of as one of the last major hoops you need to jump through to finally become a doctor. Unfortunately, it's one of those things where you can't really tell if you'd be happy doing it until you're already doing it - and by then, it may be too late to switch out if you discover that you'd rather be elsewhere.
 
I'm a graduate student as well, and I completely agree with you regarding how much more thorough your understanding of the science becomes. I wonder if the more thorough understanding is due to the fact that we're seeing it for the second time and thus can piece it together in a better manner. Perhaps it's also that we're now more specialized - all of my courses are biology-related; I don't have to worry about giving time and thought to a law class, for example. In my case, it could also be due to the fact that my program is largely research-based. I take some classes, but looking back I can say that much of what I've learned has been discovered by reading things that weren't assigned or from a course.

It'll vary from person to person, but I'd imagine that the "second time around" concept holds true for many people. The first time you learn about something you probably gain only a superficial understanding of it, but when you come back to it later then your understanding deepens. People may not understand the science in undergrad, but they can connect the dots when they reach medical school (or graduate school). But if you haven't ever seen it before, how deep can one's understanding really be? (Of course there are some who will pick it up and understand it very well, but I'd imagine that's more or less rare.)

No generalizations can be made regarding logical thinking and undergraduate major, I'd imagine. It seems to me to be a failure of our education systems in general, that classes (all) often seem to be more about memorizing and/or regurgitating in the desired form than about thinking and applying in an original manner.
 
This thread was not at all hijacked, not at all.😎
 
I really really really really LOVE Biology. And that's what I want to major in. And minor in music (piano (technique + theory)). But from what you guys are saying, I'm starting to have second thoughts. I did read it somewhere that some med schools give a good look to students who majored in non-science related courses. When I told it to some kids in my class that you can get into med school with any major you just need to take the pre-reqs they were giving me some weird responses. 😀🙂

My questioin is, would it put me at a dissadvantage majoring in bio?? Would I seem like a stand-out applicant or just the "usual"?? Also by not majoring in a science course what about the MCAT?? How prepared will I be for that?
 
I really really really really LOVE Biology. And that's what I want to major in. And minor in music (piano (technique + theory)). But from what you guys are saying, I'm starting to have second thoughts. I did read it somewhere that some med schools give a good look to students who majored in non-science related courses. When I told it to some kids in my class that you can get into med school with any major you just need to take the pre-reqs they were giving me some weird responses. 😀🙂

My questioin is, would it put me at a dissadvantage majoring in bio?? Would I seem like a stand-out applicant or just the "usual"?? Also by not majoring in a science course what about the MCAT?? How prepared will I be for that?
Your current status is listed as being MD/PhD student, so I'm not sure if you're really an MD/PhD student making a joke or if you're really a high schooler asking a serious question. I'll reply seriously anyway...

As long as you take the prerequisites (two semesters of general biology, two semesters of general chemistry, two semesters of general physics, two semesters of organic chemistry, and I think calculus I; some schools require molecular biology and/or biochemistry but not all) it doesn't matter what your major was. You do not earn bonus points for taking a more difficult course of study, or even for doing multiple majors. If your GPA was high, that's all that matters.

It used to be that biology was the traditional path to medicine, and so all pre-meds were biology majors. At this point I think that's changing around, though. Biology probably has the greatest concentration of pre-meds of any major, but I think that people are branching out into other majors more often now. I don't know that you'll particularly stand out by not majoring in biology, at this point.

If you're interested in biology, then why not? But certainly don't feel constrained to it. Another thing to consider is what career paths your program of study could open up to you, just in case you either don't get into medical school and/or decide that it isn't right for you. If you major in biology it seems to me that your only real career path is research. I'm sure you could do something else with it (become a biology teacher after earning a master's in education, for example) but research seems to be the default. Would you be OK with that?

On the other hand, this is your one chance to take courses that might not relate to anything you'll do again. If you really love biology and want to get into the intricate, upper-level courses (and don't intend on doing a PhD) then by all means, major in biology. Don't just choose your major and your courses because you think that they'll help get you into medical school. College is a very unique time in your life. I don't advocate pissing it away at parties (bias: I was never a partier) but don't pass up the opportunities that are available to you.

Lastly, with regard to the MCAT it won't matter. The MCAT is designed to only cover the material taught within the medical school requirements. Whether or not you major in biology you'll be taking those courses.
 
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Hey everybody, I'm a high school senior in Texas, and I've applied and been accepted into several colleges. (I think I may end of going to the University of Houston, the 2nd largest college in Texas, they have a great optometry program) I make average/above average grades. My overall high school GPA is about a 3.3. I've wanted to be a doctor my entire life, nothing else feels right for me. Like many other people, I thought having a science major would better my chances in getting medical school, but after reading several threads on the subject, I've learned otherwise. I've decided to major in Business Administration. Now I need to know how exactly my classes will work. What year of college would I start my pre-med classes? Would my pre-med courses ever interfere with my business major classes, I mean would I ever have to end up taking summer school because of course overload? And would any of you reccomend me going to a 6-year medical program in Antigua right out of high school [my mom really wants me to do this].

Thanks so much.

1. I would take the prerequisites asap and take the MCAT right after
2. Unless you take 15+ hours a semester you will either graduate late or you will need to do summer semesters. Being a business major and doing medical prereqs, yeah you will need to do summer semesters. I recommend taking Organic chem over the summer
3. Antigua? Lolwut?
 
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