JAMA Editorial: MD/PhD Programs: A Call for Accounting

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I posted these articles in the stickied thread above, but this deserves its own thread. Leon Rosenberg of Princeton argues that MD/PhD programs lack evidence of cost-effectiveness, and deserves a close look at changing (likely cutting) the number of slots or programs. The editorial and research article can be downloaded here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/144142412/jama.zip.html

but I will post the editorial in its entirety here.

In 1964, the legendary director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), James Augustine Shannon, convinced Congress to authorize the creation and funding of the Medical Scientist Training Program (MSTP). Following peer review, the first awards were made to 3 academic medical centers. The goal of the MSTP was (and is) to encourage training of physician-scientists by providing NIH funds to institutions and by offering full scholarships to a small group of unusually committed medical students interested in pursuing MD and PhD degrees in parallel.

From this seed, a large forest has grown. Today, 40 MSTP programs at 45 degree-granting institutions are funded by the NIH. Even more notable, about 75 additional medical schools have MD/PhD programs self-funded from a variety of institutional sources. Thus, almost all allopathic medical schools in the United States have dual-degree programs. These programs were meant to be small and elite, and they remain so. Currently, about 3% of all US medical students receive dual degrees at commencement annually (500 of 16 000 newly minted physicians). At any one time there are about 3600 MD/PhD students in US medical schools and academic health centers.

In this issue of JAMA, Andriole and colleagues4 report on the career intentions of MD/PhD graduates of US medical schools during the 7-year interval from 2000 through 2006. They found certain characteristics that distinguished dual-degree graduates from the much larger pool of those receiving an MD only. Four characteristics stand out: dual-degree recipients had lower educational debt, higher receipt of medical school scholarships and grants, greater planned career involvement in research, and less demographic diversity (ie, fewer women and members of underrepresented minorities).

The study by Andriole et al raises many more questions than it answers. Do their findings concur with or differ from earlier studies of career intentions? What is the relationship (for dual-degree recipients) between career intentions at graduation and subsequent career performance, accomplishments, and evolution? Does physician sex impinge on the career plans and performance of dual-degree recipients? Given that the NIH spent about $42 million on the MSTP in fiscal year 2007, an investment far exceeded by that of the grantee institutions (Bert I. Shapiro, PhD, Program Director, Medical Scientist Training Program, National Institute of General Medical Sciences; written communication, August 7, 2008), is the United States receiving good value for its money?

First, it is unknown whether the career intentions of students surveyed between 2000 and 2006 differ from those of prior MD/PhD cohorts, because there has been no regular survey of prior cohorts. Graduating medical students have been completing the graduation questionnaire prepared by the Association of American Medical Colleges since 1978, but previous results have not differentiated MD/PhD program graduates from those obtaining the MD degree only. Such comparisons would be important in developing projections of the needs of the medical research workforce, particularly given the changing demographics, goals, and specialty choices of today's young physicians.

Second, no reliable database exists to track what dual-degree recipients do with their careers, as contrasted with what they say they intend to do. The only comprehensive national survey of the careers of MSTP graduates was conducted by the National Institute of General Medical Sciences (the NIH institute sponsoring MSTP programs from their inception) and Vanderbilt University and reported in 1998.5 The report, which focused on MSTP cohorts enrolled between 1970 and 1990, revealed that MSTP graduates were more likely than other medical school graduates to receive postdoctoral fellowship support, to hold academic appointments, to receive external research funds, to apply for NIH grants, and to have published more. Impressive findings to be sure. What, then, explains the absence of any such report covering the past 2 decades, particularly in light of the dramatic proliferation of such dual-degree programs? The explanation for the lack of program evaluation may be poor coordination and communication among sponsors and institutions, lack of resources, or focus on other priorities. However, other explanations might include discouraging outcome trends; a "circling of the wagons"; or lack of sincerity about MD/PhD students' stated interests in research careers, generated by concern about increasing medical school indebtedness. These competing hypotheses need resolution. In this era of tight funding for medical research, the cost/benefit ratio must be assessed for each publicly funded program, including the MSTP.

Third, because sex parity has been reached among medical school matriculants in the past 2 years, the participation of women in dual-degree programs can be evaluated more intelligently. The good news is that an increasing fraction of MD/PhD matriculants are women; this will likely reach 50% in about 10 years. The bad news is that there is significantly greater attrition of women from MD/PhD programs before graduation (as noted by Andriole et al), and at key steps thereafter (Timothy J. Ley, MD, Washington University Medical School, St Louis, Missouri; written communication, August 1, 2008). The academic medical research community must work harder to encourage women to stay the course by, among other approaches, asking women what would matter to them, by improving mentoring, by fashioning user-friendly child-care facilities, and by developing flexible tenure clocks that make it easier for women to leave and return to the scientific workforce as their personal lives dictate. This litany of remedies is not new.7-8 Applying them, however, has not yet produced much improvement and will require a tectonic shift in the culture of academic institutions&#8212;particularly medical ones&#8212;and among those who lead them.

Fourth, is the United States getting a satisfactory return on its investment in dual-degree programs? The vast majority of physician-scientists do not receive dual degrees, are saddled with large and increasing educational debts, and evolve their scientific careers in ways quite different from MD/PhDs. Would a larger investment in loan repayment programs or other instruments (eg, medical student research fellowships) for these "late bloomers" offer value as good as (or even exceeding) that provided to support dual-degree recipients? More than ever, setting priorities for research investments is vital because there have never been sufficient funds to meet national needs, and there is every reason to expect this situation to continue indefinitely. The social forces that led Shannon and his compatriots to realize, 44 years ago, the importance of rigorous scientific training for a small fraction of medical students have changed over time. Thus, the assumptions underpinning dual-degree programs must be tested again in the current generation.

As the 50th anniversary of the initial MSTP awards approaches, it is essential to conduct a full accounting of this program, for which the visibility and institutional cachet far exceed its size. Program directors from the National Institute of General Medical Sciences, the Association of American Medical Colleges, and academic medical centers must lead this effort and establish a database that can be queried longitudinally in a transparent fashion. The health of the US forest of dual-degree programs must be examined without further delay, so that whatever planting, pruning, and planning are needed can be carried out in a manner befitting this national resource. It is past time to look carefully at the trees&#8212;as well as the forest.
 
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Given that the NIH spent about $42 million on the MSTP in fiscal year 2007, an investment far exceeded by that of the grantee institutions (Bert I. Shapiro, PhD, Program Director, Medical Scientist Training Program, National Institute of General Medical Sciences; written communication, August 7, 2008), is the United States receiving good value for its money?

It's strange how if you have a conversation with the grantee institution directors, they will tell you that the NIH covers far less than half their expenses. Where's the discrepancy here?

lack of sincerity about MD/PhD students' stated interests in research careers

Yes, because we're totally insincere about choosing a research career 10 or 20 years before we actually have to live that career. 🙄

generated by concern about increasing medical school indebtedness. These competing hypotheses need resolution. In this era of tight funding for medical research, the cost/benefit ratio must be assessed for each publicly funded program, including the MSTP.

100% agreed. I would love to know at what points do people fall off the research wagon. How do attitudes about a mostly research career research change over time in the MD/PhD, as a resident, and beyond.

The academic medical research community must work harder to encourage women to stay the course by, among other approaches, asking women what would matter to them, by improving mentoring, by fashioning user-friendly child-care facilities, and by developing flexible tenure clocks that make it easier for women to leave and return to the scientific workforce as their personal lives dictate.

Why are family issues only a woman's issue again? This just promotes the problem in my opinion. Who's going to hire women if the department has to bend over backwards for them? In my opinion there should be maternal and paternal leave for parents, with all the same flexibility. There should also be affordable childcare for all the hours residents, fellows, and beyond are required to work. Until this happens, we will never reach gender equality. Women currently can just "wait out" their biologic clocks in medical school and residency until they have the schedule flexibilities of an attending to have children. MD/PhD women don't have this luxury, and as a research attending the situation is no better.

As the 50th anniversary of the initial MSTP awards approaches, it is essential to conduct a full accounting of this program, for which the visibility and institutional cachet far exceed its size.

I would agree. It is interesting that there seems to be A LOT of unpublished data out there that we are not privy to. Why all the secrecy? Once and awhile certain posters will come on here and floor us with hard numbers on many issues that we bring up. Similarly, within conferences we have seen some hard data that address some of these issues. It's never published. I don't understand why. Is it because it will make MD/PhD programs look bad?
 
The other side of the coin that was not addressed is:

Can we afford not to spend 42 million per year supporting MD PhD education? What is the cost of missing this opportunity? If we are realistic, and only 1 out 10 MD PhD truly stays as a physician-scientist (bench+some clinic) and another 1 out 10 evolves into a Clinician-investigator (clinical research), the return on investment is gigantic. One single discovery per year might pay back those 42 million in health savings. When I was in med school (back in mid 80's) half the people died when they suffered their first heart attack. People were diagnosed with AIDS by examining their ratios of CD4 and CD8, plus an opportunistic infection, etc. Think about those discoveries... 42 million per year are just a drop in the bucket.
 
I agree with the previous poster actually. 42 million seems like a really low number. I'm suspecting that there is at least the same quantity at grantee institutions, so at least ~100 million a year on MSTP.

So from public funding perspective, 42 million is SO tiny that indeed this program is rather successful for this low amount of investment. We are beginning to see an era where department heads/center directors tend to be MD/PhDs from the initiation period of the MSTP.

~100 mil might be a bit high. And I don't think it's a bad idea to cut out some MD/PhD programs at "lesser" institutions, where these people most likely won't be going into research. But since it's private money ANYWAY, what the hell does NIH care? It turns out having a MD/PhD program, esp. one w/ MSTP funding, is now a prestige indicator for a medical school. We shouldn't be surprised that medical schools are bending over backwards to get these programs started.

Thirdly, what i've noticed is that MSTPs, esp. at top institutions, are getting dramatically MORE competitive in the past 10 years, and I am assuming in no small part due to an decrease in cost/benefit ratio in light of the huge rise of medical school tuition. By conservative estimation, if you go to a private medical school, these days you make at least 120k a year as a PhD student during MD/PhD (don't forget high interest rates on these student loans). Now for certain specialties, 120k is a bit low and a PhD is not worth the opportunity cost, but if you don't know what you want to go into, it would be hard pressed to find a job for even a top college student to get 120k a year with very good lifestyle (though some in mol. bio. may disagree, it is in general much chiller to be a grad student than an i-banker or software engineer.)

Sorry to :beat:. The problem with MD/PhDs not going into research is not caused by any deficiencies in the MD/PhD program, and this is why this study is fundamentally flawed. It is the system of "research career" in general that is problematic. How could the NIH expect trainees to go into research when all they see is their mentors losing grants and journals getting increasingly petty? Maybe they should do an "accounting" on how many PhDs trained on NIH's T grants eventually go into research, and stop funding PhDs altogether. How can they expect any enthusiasm in going into research when the R01 funding rate is 10%, and postdocs are often 5-10 years long AFTER a fellowship? It is hard enough that MD/PhDs students have to fight everyone (PhDs, MDs, internationally trained postdocs) in carving out a niche for themselves, and i find it quite disingenuous to criticize students when they don't follow a traditional "research career".

I really hate it when successful basic science researchers criticize MD/PhD programs because "MD is a waste of time," and "if you want to do 'real' research, just do a postdoc." Well you know what, being a lowly paid postdoc in your 30s with no 401k sucks ass. You just got lucky cause you were born 30 years earlier. MD literally saves people's lives. For every HHMI success story, how many failed postdocs are there? Sure, being HHMI is great, you get a million dollars a year doing whatever the hell you want, but being anything less literally sucks so bloody much that 95% of people would much rather being a radiologist (or psychiatrist, for that matter.)

Sorry to get this soapbox started again.
 
Sorry to :beat:. The problem with MD/PhDs not going into research is not caused by any deficiencies in the MD/PhD program, and this is why this study is fundamentally flawed.

👍 One of the best posts on this point. Thanks 🙂

Of course the response from the higher ups is only "Well, that's what you have to do to research". Maybe it's not worth it? But we catch some sort of responsibility for having a "lack of sincerity" as pre-meds 15 years before our actual career starts. This being before we have any real clue of how the real world works or what our actual career options are or entail.
 
By conservative estimation, if you go to a private medical school, these days you make at least 120k a year as a PhD student during MD/PhD (don't forget high interest rates on these student loans). Now for certain specialties, 120k is a bit low and a PhD is not worth the opportunity cost, but if you don't know what you want to go into, it would be hard pressed to find a job for even a top college student to get 120k a year with very good lifestyle (though some in mol. bio. may disagree, it is in general much chiller to be a grad student than an i-banker or software engineer.)
Huh? I've never met anybody who's made that much money as a PhD student, MD/PhD or otherwise. Or, maybe me and my annual 26k are just getting the shaft! :laugh:
 
Huh? I've never met anybody who's made that much money as a PhD student, MD/PhD or otherwise. Or, maybe me and my annual 26k are just getting the shaft! :laugh:

I've heard a number of times that your "package" is worth <insert some ridiculous, inflated number here>. For example med school tuition and fees is what? $50k? Health insurance, add on another few grand. Then your stipend.

That tuition and fees thing doesn't go away for grad school. For historical reasons it's still technically charged and someone still techhnically pays for it. I mean the U just eats much of the cost but would love to bill someone else for it, like a training grant.
 
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