Jefferson vs Temple

[IMDoc2010]

Hi,
I loved Philly, and thinks it's an awesome city. I am interested in GI/Pulm CC. I was wondering which program is considered better, especially in terms of landing a fellowship (especially in GI)?

Also, I have heard that BU has a strong fellowship match list, and wanted to know how it compares to Temple and Jefferson?

Thanks!

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[tfom08]

I know Temple ranks the highest in terms of where you are most likely to be assaulted if you walk outside the hospital. Otherwise, I think Temple and Jefferson are fairly equal.

 

[intmed3]

I tend to think of Jefferson as being above Temple as far as prestige goes (although both are below Penn). You should be able to get GI from either one, although I think that Jefferson does better in the GI match. You mentioned that you might also be interested in Pulm CC. Temple has the Temple lung center which is phenomenal, so if you're conisdering Pulm, I would take that into account.

 

[IMDoc2010]

Thanks tfom08, and intmed3!!! I appreciate your input. Yeah, I believe both are equally good in GI, and Temple is great for Pulm CC. Jefferson being in center city seems like a nice bonus vs Temple in a unsafe area in north philly.

Anyways, thanks a bunch!

 

[tootsweet]

Hi,
I loved Philly, and thinks it's an awesome city. I am interested in GI/Pulm CC. I was wondering which program is considered better, especially in terms of landing a fellowship (especially in GI)?

Also, I have heard that BU has a strong fellowship match list, and wanted to know how it compares to Temple and Jefferson?

Thanks!

Temple's pulm/cc department and Lung Center is amazing and I believe they do the most lung transplants in the city. I was most impressed with the pulmonologists that I met, they seemed very satisfied and many had been there for a long time. Jefferson has a special unit for CF patients so I think many Philly patients with CF migrate to the specialists there. Both programs have good fellowship match lists. After visiting both, I had a better "feeling" from Temple but Jeff's location is a better place to live. However, Temple's location gives it a unique, very poor (80%) medicaid, diverse patient population with many patients presenting with advanced and rare diseases.

Here's the IM resident site
http://www.temple.edu/imreports/

 

[tarlovcyst]

Hi,
I loved Philly, and thinks it's an awesome city. I am interested in GI/Pulm CC. I was wondering which program is considered better, especially in terms of landing a fellowship (especially in GI)?

Also, I have heard that BU has a strong fellowship match list, and wanted to know how it compares to Temple and Jefferson?

Thanks!

I can weigh in heavily here.

You can't go wrong with either Temple or Jefferson. Both have very strong fellowship matches, and do well in your chosen subspecialty of GI. Jefferson is simply in a nicer area than Temple. And because they are in different parts of Philly, the patient demographics are drastically incomparable. In terms of overall academics, it is widely agreed among the PA medical community that Penn is king in the city. Jefferson and Temple come next, with Jefferson edging out ahead by a little. Drexel follows after that those three.

BU is large program.... in Boston -- a whole another ballgame than Philadelphia. It does have a strong fellowship match, indeed, in GI. Has been getting stronger throughout the years and may even strengthen further. BU is often trumped by the 3 Harvard hospitals in the city, but is still a much improved and solid program. Used to be malignant, but is fine now.

If I saw your GI app from any of the three programs, I would still consider you very competitive. My picks would be Jefferson, then Temple, and then BU.

 

[IMDoc2010]

Hi Tarlovcyst,
Thanks for your input. I am consistently going over these programs on my ROL. What would be your thoughts about Montefiore? I have been hearing more negative comments about the program, especially that the residents are overworked (100hrs/week consistently), and that the ancillary service is the worst in NYC. How do they fair on the GI matches (I couldn't get anyone to provide that info to me on my interview day, which was weird)?

I can weigh in heavily here.

You can't go wrong with either Temple or Jefferson. Both have very strong fellowship matches, and do well in your chosen subspecialty of GI. Jefferson is simply in a nicer area than Temple. And because they are in different parts of Philly, the patient demographics are drastically incomparable. In terms of overall academics, it is widely agreed among the PA medical community that Penn is king in the city. Jefferson and Temple come next, with Jefferson edging out ahead by a little. Drexel follows after that those three.

BU is large program.... in Boston -- a whole another ballgame than Philadelphia. It does have a strong fellowship match, indeed, in GI. Has been getting stronger throughout the years and may even strengthen further. BU is often trumped by the 3 Harvard hospitals in the city, but is still a much improved and solid program. Used to be malignant, but is fine now.

If I saw your GI app from any of the three programs, I would still consider you very competitive. My picks would be Jefferson, then Temple, and then BU.

 

[tarlovcyst]

Hi Tarlovcyst,
Thanks for your input. I am consistently going over these programs on my ROL. What would be your thoughts about Montefiore? I have been hearing more negative comments about the program, especially that the residents are overworked (100hrs/week consistently), and that the ancillary service is the worst in NYC. How do they fair on the GI matches (I couldn't get anyone to provide that info to me on my interview day, which was weird)?

IMDoc2010, I gave my speel on Montefiore in another thread... started by user Hassler, who was comparing Montefiore vs Jefferson vs GW. In short, Monte > Jeff > GW in his case.

UPDATE: I found it - http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=700428

In your case, it really depends what you value, and this applies to everyone who is reading this. Just ask yourself what you're really looking for in residency. Are you looking at residency as a stepping stone to an awesome fellowship? Or are you looking at residency as a chapter in your life and you want to enjoy every minute of your life? Essentially, it boils down to this -- fellowship future vs. quality of life.

Academics in NY consider Monte as the 5th best medicine program in NY, behind Columbia, Cornell, Mt. Sinai, and NYU. I can't quote their fellowship list to you, but because one of my relatives actually did medicine residency at Monte, I can tell you more of fact. Those rumors are true. You will get worked hard. Scutwork in the Bronx (or even most places in NYC area) is insane. Ancillary staff sucks. Unionized nurses refuse to do blood draws, even though that is their job (it's like doctors refusing to write prescriptions). The FIRM system, though a good or bad thing at other programs, actually divides the rather large residency class into three smaller "residencies." My relative said that it felt segregated. Nonetheless, you will come out a fine physician. We all know it. When I see your app and see that you survived Monte, I will interview you. Their fellowship list is solidly outstanding. People go where they want to go. The program is actually heavily fellowship driven. And I think part of this is because Monte has a primary care residency that focuses mainly on that; so budding hospitalists and general internists are found in that other program. Anyway, if GI at a big academic institution is what you want, Monte can get you there. You can always move another program up on your list if you want the easy way out.

Jefferson is a good example of having a better quality of life, but their fellowship list is not as outstanding as Monte's.

Again, it's what you value -- fellowship future or quality of life.