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As I start internship, I am already looking ahead to next year. I will be looking for post-doc positions (broadly defined), but I am 100% certain I will be settling in a state where post-doc supervison hours are not required for licensure. Thus, I am also looking for jobs (staff positions, group PPs), as my understanding is that I can take the EPPP and become licensed in the state without post-doc hours? The possible states are KY or IN, by the way.

However, I have come to realize that outside of USAjobs.com (for VA and other federal positions) and simply cold-calling the few connections I do have, I really have no idea WHERE to look for psychologist positions. At the risk of sounding dumb, what do people do? Where do they look?
 
networking is what's been turning up leads for me. my friend found her recently acquired university professor job on the interwebs. i like to look on the apa website jobs section...lots of stuff there. some other sites i occasionally peruse...

www.indeed.com
www.chronicle.com
www.higheredjobs.com
www.hothcjobs.com

the likelihood that you will find something on the web isnt very high, i dont think, but it cant hurt to look!
 
Is anyone here considering applying to faculty jobs? I am thinking I am going to apply for a couple, but I am not sure how many. I have heard that there is a significant salary difference between if you work in a psychology department or a department of psychiatry. Is that true? Anyone know how large the difference is?

Another question I have been pondering is if you want to go into academics, is it viewed horribly to do a one year post-doc. As it is shaping up I think I will be alright on publications, and I am not sure that having the extra year will help that much with grant writing.

Anyway, I just thought I would throw those things out there to see what people think. I am so confused with this process, it isn't even funny!
 
The salary bump in psychiatry has a lot to do with soft vs. hard money.

Is anyone here considering applying to faculty jobs? I am thinking I am going to apply for a couple, but I am not sure how many. I have heard that there is a significant salary difference between if you work in a psychology department or a department of psychiatry. Is that true? Anyone know how large the difference is?

Another question I have been pondering is if you want to go into academics, is it viewed horribly to do a one year post-doc. As it is shaping up I think I will be alright on publications, and I am not sure that having the extra year will help that much with grant writing.

Anyway, I just thought I would throw those things out there to see what people think. I am so confused with this process, it isn't even funny!
 
I was initially planning to apply for faculty jobs, but have since decided to do a postdoc (T32). Here's my reasoning. Where I'm currently at, there is a solid T32 program, and the quality of life for the postdocs is excellent. They spend their days writing grants, submitting manuscripts, and attending research seminars (I can't believe they get paid to do that). The pay isn't all that great (about $40,000), but it isn't that far off from faculty jobs, with considerably less responsibility. The more interesting piece is that all of the current T32s where I'm at have the NIH LRP, that bumps your salary by $35,000/year. I asked how common it was to get one where I am, and the postdocs I spoke with said they don't know anyone how hasn't gotten it (depending on your IC they fund around 50% of these things, so your odds are good to start with). Then, we moonlight for a fee of about $25-30/hr for 10 hrs a week. This bumps the income by another ~$14,000 a year. So, when it's all said and done, my income next year *should* be just shy of $90,000. Try to find a new faculty job for that.

After postdoc, I had planned on going the psych dept faculty route, but if you look into pay at psychiatry depts/research institutes you find that it's much better. Of course, much of this is soft money, but the way it works isn't all that scary to me. You spend a few years in a quality postdoc learning to write solid grants and then work in a place where everyone else has done the same. Everyone is submitting grants with multiple co-i's, so your salary gets covered by multiple sources; a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" situation with some of the most brilliant people out there. Anyway, you are able to name your own salary (within general limits of course). One of the postdocs where I currently am is starting a faculty job next week with a salary of $90,000/year. Not bad for his first year out of postdoc. The expectation is that he will eventually get his own funding, but he doesn't even have that yet.

Of course there's a risk to the soft money game, but for me, after weighing all the options, it looks like the route I want to go.
 
The NIH-LRP either gives you the money OR pays your loans? I thought it was just the latter?
 
The NIH-LRP either gives you the money OR pays your loans? I thought it was just the latter?

I thought so, too. 😕

FWIW, NIH LRP is pretty competitive to get, so there are no guarantees--a post-doc at my old lab with what was, IMO, a pretty strong app applied for LRP but didn't get selected for funding.
 
I should have been clearer with my post. They only pay for student loans, so its not technically income. At APA, there was data presented on the funding rates of the LRP. It's right around 50% (depending on the IC you apply to), which is still competitive, but pretty good by NIH standards. I work with 8 postdocs who all have it.
 
Just as an FYI, the amount of loans you have must be really high in order to get the max $35K/year from LRP. Minus your contribution, the LRP only pays up to half your total loan amount over 2 years. So you would have to have $140K+ in loans in order to qualify for the max.

For example, if you have $50K in loans, they will subtract a portion from that as your "obligation" - for sake of argument, let's say $4k. Them they'll pay half of that over 2 years. So you will get $23K over 2 years, or "only" $11.5K/year.

Remember that this program was originally designed as an incentive for MDs to enter research, and those amounts are reflective of the loan burden carried by MDs. They only later opened it up to PhDs...
 
Just as an FYI, the amount of loans you have must be really high in order to get the max $35K/year from LRP. Minus your contribution, the LRP only pays up to half your total loan amount over 2 years. So you would have to have $140K+ in loans in order to qualify for the max.

For example, if you have $50K in loans, they will subtract a portion from that as your "obligation" - for sake of argument, let's say $4k. Them they'll pay half of that over 2 years. So you will get $23K over 2 years, or "only" $11.5K/year.

Remember that this program was originally designed as an incentive for MDs to enter research, and those amounts are reflective of the loan burden carried by MDs. They only later opened it up to PhDs...
does that mean its not open to PsyD's? i had no idea about T32's until i read this thread and did some googling!
 
To the best of my knowledge it is available to any doctoral-level degree. Though I believe for NIH repayment your research efforts have to be at least 50%, which I imagine would disqualify the vast majority of PsyDs right off the bat.

T32's seem like a great deal to me - I already know a couple places that have them that I would be very interested in doing a post-doc with - just hoping they still have the, by the time I'm ready. Generally speaking, its the big research places that have them though - so one will likely need a very strong research background to get one. While I'm not privy to the details, I've gotten the impression we've opted to let ours go unfilled some years due to the faculty not being happy with the applications received.
 
However, I have come to realize that outside of USAjobs.com (for VA and other federal positions) and simply cold-calling the few connections I do have, I really have no idea WHERE to look for psychologist positions. At the risk of sounding dumb, what do people do? Where do they look?

erg,

A lot depends on what area of psychology you want a job in, but here are some general suggestions:

-As with USA Jobs, most state agencies will post open positions somewhere on the web. Look at state agency websites (e.g. State Depts. of Mental Health; Chilren and Family Services, etc.) for open positions as a state employee.
-Get a list of all the private agencies that might hire psychologists in the areas (geographical and practice areas) in which you would like to work. For example, I work as a psychologist in the field of adult developmental disabilities/severe mental illness. Most of these agencies receive state funding, so I can find lists of these agencies on the State Websites. I would then look at the the websites of these individual agencies and see if they had any open positions. If you are looking to work in a hospital setting, you could probably find a list of hospitals/clinics in you particular area through an insurance company or accreditation website (e.g. CARF, JCAHO).
-I have used professional association website job search services to both look for jobs and fill jobs (I have used the service at the International Association for Behavior Analysis website, but APA or regional Psych Associations probably have similar services available, and as an intern, you're still eligible for a discounted student membership).
-Even if you don't go to the annual professional conference in your area of interest, you can usually look at the conference program online. Most of these will list the affiliation of the presenters, and you can then look at the websites for these affiliated agencies to see if they have open positions.
-If you are confident in the strength of your CV, it can't hurt to send it out to any agencies that do the work you want to do, even if they are not hiring. Send it to the attention of the senior clinical staff person (usually identified on the website or through a phone call), with a cover letter explaining where you are in your training/career, what type of position(s) you're looking for, and with a request that, if they don't have any available positions currently, that they keep you in mind if one comes up or pass on your information to anyone they know who may be looking for someone with your skills. I am occasionally asked by my counterparts at other agencies if I know anyone who is looking for job and might be able to fill a position they have open.
-Do a google search for "Psychologist Jobs Kentucky"- it will at least point you in the right direction.
-All that said, present at conferences, get to know people,network whenever you can, and don't piss people off/burn bridges. A lot of hiring in this field is done through direct recruiting, rather than through "want ads". Get to know people, and get them to know who you are. I have worked for 3 different agencies in the decade plus since completing grad school. The first one was run by a friend/colleague of my grad school advisor, and they (my advisor and her friend) "recruited" me for that position (a staff level position, that also provided post-doc supervision hours). The second agency was actually where I did my internship- they had a new position and called me about it, even though I had turned them down several years earlier directly after internship (remember, always leave gracefully and don't burn bridges). For my third (and current) agency, I was recruited directly by the clinical director of the agency, after I presented an invited talk to a group of agency clinical directors in his geographic area. I mentioned in passing at the presentation that my wife and I were thinking about moving to that area. One of the attendees knew that my current agency was looking for a psychologist, so she contacted the Clinical Director and told him that he should give me a call.

Now, I'm not sure if this is a common way of getting jobs, but it seems to me that it is given conversations that I have had with other psychologists in similar positions. This may be especially true if you are in a very specialized area of practice (I do a combination of clinical psych. and applied behavior analysis with adults with development and psychiatric disabilities).

Best of luck in your job search. You can never start too early. Remember, you want the potential employers to know you exist and to seek you out, rather than the other way around.
 
Definitely make everyone you know in the field aware that you're looking. Very often, by the time positions are posted, they are already unofficially filled.

If looking for state or city jobs, find out if there is a civil service exam you can take (for psychologists, this is usually a review of your CV and a detailed questionnaire). It is a good idea to get on the civil service lists, as they have to try to hire from the lists before the general population, and if you're hired for one of these positions provisionally, you can later be bumped by someone from the lists.

Also, many job-listing sites can send you daily email alerts of new postings based on your specifications, such as "psychologist" in "TX" (or wherever).
 
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