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New Anesthesia Provider May Threaten Operating Room Safety


Legislation would Lower the Standard of Care by Allowing Inexperienced and Less Educated Anesthesiologist Assistants to Deliver Anesthesia to Maryland Patients (the same can be said of CRNAs)

ANNAPOLIS, Md., Feb. 24 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Maryland Association of Nurse Anesthetists (MANA), whose members are Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (CRNAs), today announced their opposition to Senate Bill 798 and House Bill 1161. These troubling bills would license anesthesiologist assistants (AAs) to practice in Maryland and would drastically alter the anesthesia delivery model currently utilized in the state. AAs, who are less qualified than anesthesiologists and CRNAs, currently are licensed or certified to practice in only 10 states and cannot practice in the U.S. Military. The bills are being supported by Johns Hopkins Hospital.

"The passage of this legislation would radically change the model of anesthesia delivery and would be extremely detrimental to the quality of care in operating rooms and create unnecessary risk for Maryland patients. Maryland is a world leader in health care and lowering the standards for anesthesia providers must be rejected," said Ron Seligman, CRNA, MS, President of MANA. "Anesthesia is 95% routine care and 5% crisis management when patients have unanticipated adverse responses to anesthesia and surgery. I would think Maryland legislators would want the highest skilled practitioners handling their loved one's cases and not an AA that has no prior healthcare experience and could have been working on Wall Street just two years prior."

Patient Safety
This legislation is alarming because AAs do not need to have any prior health care experience or a health care related degree for admission to a two-year anesthesiologist assistant program.

On the other hand, a CRNA must be a registered nurse, have a four-year nursing degree, and have at least one year of critical care nursing experience prior to admission to a graduate-level nurse anesthesia educational program.

Over the years, numerous studies have concluded that CRNAs provide safe anesthesia care; however, no studies have been done to determine the safety record of AAs. Nurse anesthetists have been rendering quality anesthesia care for more than a century.

Medicare rules specify that AAs must practice under the medical direction of an anesthesiologist but an anesthesiologist may run four concurrent operations while directly supervising AAs. Consequently, the anesthesiologist may not be directly in the room with the AA and may be circulating to assist or supervise other surgical suites. When that is the case, patients are left in the care of the lesser-educated and lesser-trained AAs.

Fiscally Irresponsible
During these difficult economic times it makes no sense to engage in new, duplicative spending. It would be more cost efficient to expand the existing University of Maryland nurse anesthesia program rather than develop a costly new program for AAs. Further, the cost of establishing a licensing/regulatory body will far exceed any potential benefit from recruiting a limited number of AAs. Under this legislation the Board of Medicine would need to take on additional costs to regulate AAs. Regulations will need to be created as well as enforcement procedures.

No Savings To Patients
Since the services of AAs and CRNAs are reimbursed at the same rates, patients would pay the same amount for less qualified AAs.

Not Needed
The University of Maryland School of Nursing has said it is capable of and willing to expand its proven nurse anesthesia program to meet any perceived workforce shortages. The University of Maryland Nurse Anesthetist program started in 2004 and graduated its first class in December 2006. To date 62 nurses have graduated from the program and 90 percent of those have stayed in the Maryland area for employment as CRNAs. There are 450 CRNAs practicing in Maryland, and by 2015 the University of Maryland will have graduated approximately 210 nurse anesthetists, almost half of the total CRNA membership in Maryland.

"The University of Maryland's nurse anesthesia program is well equipped to meet the needs of Maryland's operating rooms into the next decade. We have been in negotiations with Johns Hopkins Hospitals and hope to meet their anesthesia workforce needs in the coming years," said Lou Heindel, DNP, CRNA, and Director of the University's Nurse Anesthesia Program.

There are 109 accredited Nurse Anesthesia programs nationally including the University of Maryland. The first AA school accreditation standards were approved in 1987 and more than two decades later only five schools have been accredited to train AAs. Additionally, CRNAs are the predominant anesthesia providers in the U.S. Military and Veterans Affairs health care system. AAs are not recognized providers in the Military, while nurse anesthetists have been providing anesthesia care to soldiers on the front lines since the Civil War.

Rural
CRNAs are the sole anesthesia providers in more than two thirds of all rural hospitals. (Source: American Association of Nurse Anesthetists). SB 798 and HB 1161 would decrease the number of operating rooms available to educate nurse anesthesia students because AAs are not allowed to train or supervise student nurse anesthetists.

In addition, this legislation could create a shortage of anesthesia providers in rural areas. Unlike CRNAs, AAs simply cannot meet the need of rural hospitals because they are required to be directly supervised by an anesthesiologist at all times. Because anesthesiologists typically shun working in rural communities, and because rural facilities cannot afford to employ both anesthesiologists and their highly-paid assistants who cannot work independently, AAs are not the answer to the workforce shortages and patient access to care issues affecting rural America.

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What the deuce?

That is what passes for news? It looks like propaganda. I can at least allow myself to reason with the CRNAs claiming they have more healthcare experience before entering training to administer anesthetics, but that's ballsy to claim that "OR safety is in jeopardy" because AA's are "lesser trained", while at the same time CRNAs are pushing for independent practice because they are as safe as an anesthesiologist. You can't have it both ways.

I'm fire an email off to the news station; I'll let you know if they reply.
 
Couldn't one replace CRNA with anesthesiologist and AA with CRNA and have written a nearly identical article?
 
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Couldn't one replace CRNA with anesthesiologist and AA with CRNA and have written a nearly identical article?

Are you really that clueless?
 
What the deuce?

That is what passes for news? It looks like propaganda. I can at least allow myself to reason with the CRNAs claiming they have more healthcare experience before entering training to administer anesthetics, but that's ballsy to claim that "OR safety is in jeopardy" because AA's are "lesser trained", while at the same time CRNAs are pushing for independent practice because they are as safe as an anesthesiologist. You can't have it both ways.

I'm fire an email off to the news station; I'll let you know if they reply.

This is typical of every state that AAs try to gain the ability to work in. The AANA and its representative state organizations do not want a choice of mid-level anesthesia provider (clear cut anti-trust), and at the same time they preach equivalence to MD and want NO oversight from an anesthesiologist. Every other field of medicine offers a choice; anesthesiology should be no different.
 
How would using AA's radically change the current delivery model when the majority of CRNA's work under the ACT model?
 
Are you really that clueless?

Actually, I agree with Impromptu. I think his point was you have CRNAs complaining of the threat of AAs taking their job, stating they have less medical training. The same could be said to CRNAs by anesthesiologists. Kinda reminds me of the saying, "You can't have you cake and eat it too." 😎
 
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I read this earlier. Their claims are pretty ridiculous. What gets me is the "less educated" part. Okay so nurses have previous health care/patient experience. So what? They weren't previously more educated and experienced in the role of anesthesia care before they became CRNAs.
 
Note: at the bottom of the article
MEDIA CONTACT
Dan Ronayne (202) 870-4902


I suggest he get a few more calls. This is quite literally grossly irresponsible journalism.

The opening sentence seems legitimate where the announcement MANA's opposition to the two pieces of legislation is mentioned. It drops off a cliff at that point and switches to editorializing with information clearly supplied by MANA and not given 1 bit of fact checking.

A couple of gems:

  • CRNA's are more qualified than AA's.
  • AA's practice in 10 states
  • No studies have been done to evaluate AA safety
  • AA's work under the supervision of an Anesthesiologist who might be in another room.
  • Licensing AA's is fiscally irresponsible
  • Civil War anesthesia experience is highly relevant
  • Adding AA's to Maryland's anesthesia options would create a rural shortage
You'd think the USS Maine had just blown up from the tone this article takes.
 
The only reason why the crnas wrote this letter is because they do not want any competition at all. They want to be the sole anesthesia providers and make their crazy demands.. 36 hour work week for 180,000 dollars. Moreover, they feel they are well qualified/educated enough to be the sole anesthesia provider. The article is so biased its not even funny. I love the part where it states marylanders can have an anesthesia provider that just 2 years ago was on wall street. They fail to mention that those took the MCATS , they took 2 years of SERIOUS chemistry not the watered down stuff. one year of physics that has mathematics and one year of biology that has a four hour lab every week. Anyway, I strenuously suggest all of us write letters to the maryland state congress to support this bill and support Johns Hopkins in their efforts to open up an AA school and offer maryland anesthesiologists and hospitals a choice. Im going to be finding out who we should write letters to.. and come back and post it..
 
The sponsor of the anesthesiology assistant bill in Marylan is JOan conway. She is a state senator. Her information is below. I would suggest all of us write her a letter to voice our support of her bill and furthemore informing her of the tactics of the opposing voice in trying to put the kabash on her bill. This bill needs to pass. It is Senate bill 798.
Cross filed with house bill 1161 tell all of your friends especially in maryland

Maryland Anesthesiologist Assistants Act



Democrat, District 43, Baltimore City


  • Miller Senate Office Building, 2 West Wing
    11 Bladen St., Annapolis, MD 21401
    (410) 841-3145, (301) 858-3145
    1-800-492-7122, ext. 3145 (toll free)
    e-mail: [email protected]
    fax: (410) 841-3957, (301) 858-3957 2831 Hillen Road, Baltimore, MD 21218
    (410) 467-7125; fax: (410) 467-6692
 
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I'm hopeful but I won't be satisfied until I see the ink dry on the bill after the governor signs it.

If this truly does happen, it will be a far-reaching achievement. Other major academic centers may very well follow in JHU's footsteps.
 
I think the article has some element of truth. Where I work, I've had the chance to have two anesthesia assistant students rotate with me. Their knowledge of pathophysiology is probably equivalent to a 10th grade biology book, and their understanding of medicine in general is probably equivalent to a newly graduated nurse with an associate's degree. The saddest part about their lack of medical knowledge is that they were just 6 months from being done with their training. Would I want myself or anyone else I care about being monitored by these future AA's in the operating room? The answer is a clear and absolute NO. Not to mention, these students always left early. They expressed absolutely no concern over patient care and are clearly unfit to be trusted with our lives. Maybe my N of 2 is too low to make these statements but I have a feeling that this is a trend and not an anomaly. Surely there are well seasoned AA's in practice but the fact that you can take someone with almost no knowledge of medicine and two years later put them in the operating room with an intubated patient seems horrifying to me.
 
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I think the article has some element of truth. Where I work, I've had the chance to have two anesthesia assistant students rotate with me. Their knowledge of pathophysiology is probably equivalent to a 10th grade biology book, and their understanding of medicine in general is probably equivalent to a newly graduated nurse with an associate's degree. The saddest part about their lack of medical knowledge is that they were just 6 months from being done with their training. Would I want myself or anyone else I care about being monitored by these future AA's in the operating room? The answer is a clear and absolute NO. Not to mention, these students always left early. They expressed absolutely no concern over patient care and are clearly unfit to be trusted with our lives. Maybe my N of 2 is too low to make these statements but I have a feeling that this is a trend and not an anomaly. Surely there are well seasoned AA's in practice but the fact that you can take someone with almost no knowledge of medicine and two years later put them in the operating room with an intubated patient seems horrifying to me.


your n of 2 is too low to categorize them so broadly
 
i Fired off a letter to the senator already.. I suggest all in favor do the same.. i just have to go to the mailbox to mail it
peace out
 
I think the article has some element of truth. Where I work, I've had the chance to have two anesthesia assistant students rotate with me. Their knowledge of pathophysiology is probably equivalent to a 10th grade biology book, and their understanding of medicine in general is probably equivalent to a newly graduated nurse with an associate's degree. The saddest part about their lack of medical knowledge is that they were just 6 months from being done with their training. Would I want myself or anyone else I care about being monitored by these future AA's in the operating room? The answer is a clear and absolute NO. Not to mention, these students always left early. They expressed absolutely no concern over patient care and are clearly unfit to be trusted with our lives. Maybe my N of 2 is too low to make these statements but I have a feeling that this is a trend and not an anomaly. Surely there are well seasoned AA's in practice but the fact that you can take someone with almost no knowledge of medicine and two years later put them in the operating room with an intubated patient seems horrifying to me.
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You have to at least try to be less obvious.
 
If this truly does happen, it will be a far-reaching achievement. Other major academic centers may very well follow in JHU's footsteps.

👍. If JHU's gets this AA school open it will start the demise of the militant CRNA. One of America's most well known/respected medical institution opening up an AA school will pave the way for other institutions to follow.
 
👍. If JHU's gets this AA school open it will start the demise of the militant CRNA. One of America's most well known/respected medical institution opening up an AA school will pave the way for other institutions to follow.

Agree, this is what it will take for the AANA to get the point that anesthesiology is medicine not nursing and the future of anesthesiology as a medical specialty is not negotiable.
 
People don't see the big picture.

This CRNA vs. AA vs. Anesthesiologist is a minor debate compared to the huge medical reforms coming our way. We're going to make less and taxed more.

And pushing for AA is simply resorting to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". This doesn't solve anything...

If we push for AA and the US starts pumping out AA in record numbers with the already huge increasing supply of CRNA and Gas Docs, it will cause this domino effect:
a) The AA will take lower paying jobs with Anesthesiologists supervising.
b) Militant CRNA will get a taste of their own medicine, true... but the other 95% of the "just want a job CRNAs" will start working for less to compete with this new influx of AA's.
c) As CRNA's fill more positions for lower paying jobs, reimbursements will decrease.
d) This will trickle down on the Anesthesiologists and we will also be forced to work for less.

We're all cutting our own limbs while the greedy insurance companies and hospital administration get all the rewards.

ASA needs to start working with the AANA and propose new legislation. Example:
1) If Hospital has less than x surgeries per year, then that hospital will be a CRNA driven with at least 1 consulting anesthesiologist on duty. This gives them complete independent practicing rights but a consulting anesthesiologist is always available in emergency situations or consultation.
2) If Hospitals have more than x surgeries per year, then the 1 Anesthesiologist overlooking 4 CRNAs must be in effect.
3) Regional, Cards, Peds, High Risk OB cases must only be done by a board certified anesthesiologist.

This gives the CRNAs their independent practicing rights and filling the void of shortage in rural America. This also keeps anesthesiologists status quo in urban and larger community hospitals. With agreements such as this, the AANA and ASA can focus on more important issues such as the ongoing health care reforms that will bankrupt both causes.

As for non-militant CRNA's... you need to be the voice of reasoning with your militant counterparts. The ASA will be forced to respond to militants CRNAs with militant Anesthesiologists. If militants run both organizations, they will run the field of anesthesia into the ground.

I know what I say is borderline trolling... but the problem is not going to solve itself. CRNAs will not go away. As long as we are on the defense and they are on the offense... their push is going to destroy the field. We need to start offering concessions while we demand them. Otherwise we're all doomed.
 
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People don't see the big picture.

This CRNA vs. AA vs. Anesthesiologist is a minor debate compared to the huge medical reforms coming our way. We're going to make less and taxed more.

And pushing for AA is simply resorting to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". This doesn't solve anything...

If we push for AA and the US starts pumping out AA in record numbers with the already huge increasing supply of CRNA and Gas Docs, it will cause this domino effect:
a) The AA will take lower paying jobs with Anesthesiologists supervising.
b) Militant CRNA will get a taste of their own medicine, true... but the other 95% of the "just want a job CRNAs" will start working for less to compete with this new influx of AA's.
c) As CRNA's fill more positions for lower paying jobs, reimbursements will decrease.
d) This will trickle down on the Anesthesiologists and we will also be forced to work for less.

We're all cutting our own limbs while the greedy insurance companies and hospital administration get all the rewards.

ASA needs to start working with the AANA and propose new legislation. Example:
1) If Hospital has less than x surgeries per year, then that hospital will be a CRNA driven with at least 1 consulting anesthesiologist on duty. This gives them complete independent practicing rights but a consulting anesthesiologist is always available in emergency situations or consultation.
2) If Hospitals have more than x surgeries per year, then the 1 Anesthesiologist overlooking 4 CRNAs must be in effect.
3) Regional, Cards, Peds, High Risk OB cases must only be done by a board certified anesthesiologist.

This gives the CRNAs their independent practicing rights and filling the void of shortage in rural America. This also keeps anesthesiologists status quo in urban and larger community hospitals. With agreements such as this, the AANA and ASA can focus on more important issues such as the ongoing health care reforms that will bankrupt both causes.

As for non-militant CRNA's... you need to be the voice of reasoning with your militant counterparts. The ASA will be forced to respond to militants CRNAs with militant Anesthesiologists. If militants run both organizations, they will run the field of anesthesia into the ground.

Wow dude...I'm surprised you went into anesthesiology with this sort of response. You seem ready and willing to bust your ass for the next 4-5 years, after already having done so for the past 8, to work wherever the AANA needs you.

1) Why support independent CRNAs when they're no cheaper than MDs?
2) Push for AAs? Pumping them out in groves? Dude, we're on the ground floor with AAs hoping to move up a level. We're not even close to the penthouse you seem to believe we're at.
3) Those just-want-to-work CRNAs contribute to the AANA as well.
4) Your discussion of supply and demand with regards to mid-level providers show lack of understanding. CRNAs outnumber AAs by a HUGE number, and opening another AA school or two in the next 4 years won't make a dent in the increased number of CRNAs that are coming out due to their increased enrollment numbers.
 
Wow dude...I'm surprised you went into anesthesiology with this sort of response. You seem ready and willing to bust your ass for the next 4-5 years, after already having done so for the past 8, to work wherever the AANA needs you.

1) Why support independent CRNAs when they're no cheaper than MDs?
2) Push for AAs? Pumping them out in groves? Dude, we're on the ground floor with AAs hoping to move up a level. We're not even close to the penthouse you seem to believe we're at.
3) Those just-want-to-work CRNAs contribute to the AANA as well.
4) Your discussion of supply and demand with regards to mid-level providers show lack of understanding. CRNAs outnumber AAs by a HUGE number, and opening another AA school or two in the next 4 years won't make a dent in the increased number of CRNAs that are coming out due to their increased enrollment numbers.

I totally support what your saying. I would never concede to CRNA for pure independent practice. I don't have the experience to debate specifics about the rules/regulations. My point is this...

CRNA and Anesthesiologists need to start talking and dealing with each other instead of both wasting valuable resources on the governement. The more we lobby government, the more they control us.

I Know it probably can't be done as long as there are Militant CRNAs. But I was just hoping....

Another thought occurred to me as I reread what I wrote... The same anesthesiologists that originally trained the CRNAs to fill the void had high hopes like me. The chickens eventually came home to roost when CRNA started demanding independence... Now if we give them that... what will there demands be further down?

If i sounded foolish, I do apologize. Especially if what I had to say spit in the face of so many of those that fought hard to defend me. I am but an idealist, without the experience. 4 years from now is when I will have room to talk, and I am sure I will look back at this and cringe that I wrote it.
 
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ASA needs to start working with the AANA and propose new legislation.

To add on to Southpaw's comments, you make one huge assumption: the AANA won't stab the ASA in the back unlike it has done repeatedly in the past. I would not risk my future making that assumption. The AANA may appear conciliatory and make gestures that it wants to work with the ASA, but at the critical time when legislation is written the AANA will go back to its old tricks and look out for itself first.

Like I said before, the MD-only model of anesthesiology is gone. The future is the ACT model where anesthesiologists supervise multiple rooms with a either a CRNA or AA present. So the question now is, do you want a choice or do you want to be restricted to only CRNA's? I want a choice of anesthesia midlevel providers. If you allow CRNA's to maintain a monopoly on the midlevel market, then they will do what they are doing now: keep demanding more autonomy, pushing propaganda and lies to lawmakers and the public, and forming CRNA-only groups that may compete directly for the anesthesia contract at your hospital. If you take away that monopoly, then CRNA's are much weaker to be able to push their agenda. Think of AA and CRNA as being analogous to PA and NP.
 
I totally support what your saying. I would never concede to CRNA for pure independent practice. I don't have the experience to debate specifics about the rules/regulations. My point is this...

CRNA and Anesthesiologists need to start talking and dealing with each other instead of both wasting valuable resources on the governement. The more we lobby government, the more they control us.

I Know it probably can't be done as long as there are Militant CRNAs. But I was just hoping....

Another thought occurred to me as I reread what I wrote... The same anesthesiologists that originally trained the CRNAs to fill the void had high hopes like me. The chickens eventually came home to roost when CRNA started demanding independence... Now if we give them that... what will there demands be further down?

If i sounded foolish, I do apologize. Especially if what I had to say spit in the face of so many of those that fought hard to defend me. I am but an idealist, without the experience. 4 years from now is when I will have room to talk, and I am sure I will look back at this and cringe that I wrote it.

Nah, probably not. I was too harsh as I tend to be too often. My apologies.

Based on what I've seen and heard, the CRNA-MD relationship is just fine, it's the AANA that keeps butting its damn head in the middle screwing it all up. If we did work together, we could get a lot accomplished. As it stands though the AANA has no intention to work with us. They want independence in every state, they want CRNAs in pain management, and they're fighting AA expansion tooth and nail. When AA legislation comes up, the representative state CRNA organization run a smear campaigns. They get articles in the local media disparaging the education and safety of AAs. They pay groups to run biased surveys by phone and try to sway public opinion against AAs.

You're right, with healthcare in such a conundrum, we do need to work together to solve problems. Just from what I've read, I don't see the AANA working along side us at any point in the near future.
 
The Maryland Anesthesia Assistant legislation has been withdrawn from both house and senate committee after a hearing in the senate.

AA Bill (HB 1161) was withdrawn March 17 following testimony in front of the Senate Health subcommittee on SB 798, March 11.
 
The Maryland Anesthesia Assistant legislation has been withdrawn from both house and senate committee after a hearing in the senate.

AA Bill (HB 1161) was withdrawn March 17 following testimony in front of the Senate Health subcommittee on SB 798, March 11.

And once again, it just goes to show you - CRNA's, pushed hard by their state and national associations, will lie through their teeth to advance their agenda.
 
And once again, it just goes to show you - CRNA's, pushed hard by their state and national associations, will lie through their teeth to advance their agenda.

thats ok. it can be reintroduced at a later date. I would say the fight is NOT over for AAs.
 
Actually losing the bill on the first go around isn't that big of a deal. Plus, the AANA (MANA) did us a favor by publishing their rebuttal pieces that are completely full of lies and misinformation since they can be exposed with fact-checking.
 
The Maryland Anesthesia Assistant legislation has been withdrawn from both house and senate committee after a hearing in the senate.

AA Bill (HB 1161) was withdrawn March 17 following testimony in front of the Senate Health subcommittee on SB 798, March 11.


First, I know you are a CRNA. Second, there are so many AA bills coming in many states that they are bound to pass at one point or another. It's just a matter of time. Your replacement is here.
 
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First, I know you are a CRNA. Second, there are so many AA bills coming in many states that they are bound to pass at one point or another. It's just a matter of time. Your replacement is here.

First; Gee, however did you know? Could it be that i have "CRNA" in my profile? I predict you will be chief resident!

Second: Note that I did not offer an opinion on the issue one way or the other...I simply updated the thread. Fortunately I have not drank the cool aid of the AANA/ASA/AA inflated egos that are making fools of us all and destroying any desire to deal with each other as adults. I couldn't give a **** frankly whether legislation swept the country tomorrow allowing AA practice in all sates, Puerto Rico, Guam and the US Virgin islands. Likewise, after 20 years being told I will be "replaced", am trying to equate myself to an MDA, think I was trained equal to a physician, and reading ASA 'guidelines' which prohibit me from administering regional anesthesia or pre-oping a patient......and then going to work (which has been in major academic centers, including one where I was one of 5 CRNAs and 40 AAs and residents out the ass...as well as solo private practice) and having all that bull**** go out the window, I am not impressed.

I will have the anesthesia career of my choice, for the rest of my anesthesia career...that is certain. I am freaking good at it and get along with MDAs, residents, AAs and the cleaning crew. What the rest of you juvenile numbnuts do to **** each other over beyond that is your own business.
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First; Gee, however did you know? Could it be that i have "CRNA" in my profile? I predict you will be chief resident!

Second: Note that I did not offer an opinion on the issue one way or the other...I simply updated the thread. Fortunately I have not drank the cool aid of the AANA/ASA/AA inflated egos that are making fools of us all and destroying any desire to deal with each other as adults. I couldn't give a **** frankly whether legislation swept the country tomorrow allowing AA practice in all sates, Puerto Rico, Guam and the US Virgin islands. Likewise, after 20 years being told I will be "replaced", am trying to equate myself to an MDA, think I was trained equal to a physician, and reading ASA 'guidelines' which prohibit me from administering regional anesthesia or pre-oping a patient......and then going to work (which has been in major academic centers, including one where I was one of 5 CRNAs and 40 AAs and residents out the ass...as well as solo private practice) and having all that bull**** go out the window, I am not impressed.

I will have the anesthesia career of my choice, for the rest of my anesthesia career...that is certain. I am freaking good at it and get along with MDAs, residents, AAs and the cleaning crew. What the rest of you juvenile numbnuts do to **** each other over beyond that is your own business.
😍

What is an MDA? There is no such word.
 
The Maryland Anesthesia Assistant legislation has been withdrawn from both house and senate committee after a hearing in the senate.

AA Bill (HB 1161) was withdrawn March 17 following testimony in front of the Senate Health subcommittee on SB 798, March 11.

If at first you don't succeed, try and try again.

It's so much harder playing defense than offense. 😉
 
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