Just 68 percent of Stanford Medical School students went on to residency in 2011

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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-of-tech-lures-new-doctors-away-from-medicine

 

[MD2BE92]

Not to be rude, but I wonder how many of those individuals that opted out of the match scored high enough to match in the first place? Or into fields other than family medicine

 

[Member1115]

Not to be rude, but I wonder how many of those individuals that opted out of the match scored high enough to match in the first place? Or into fields other than family medicine

Probably most of them... it's Stanford.

 

[Lawpy]

What a misleading thread title

 

[MD2BE92]

Probably most of them... it's Stanford.

Just seems like "32%" of kids is astronomically high. There has to be more to this

^Edit: @Lawper it is absolutely clickbait, interesting nonetheless

 

[Doug Underhill]

It sounds like the digital health path offers shorter hours and the possibility of considerably higher pay.

 

[Shams al Deen]

So 3/10 students don't wanna be doctors at Stanford med. Did I read something wrong?

 

[gmbz]

So how is this different than a doctor going through a residency and then going on to be head of informatics, CMO, or other things? I am sure companies like Epic are snagging MD's up left and right for consulting purposes.

Nothing new here..

 

[Shams al Deen]

So how is this different than a doctor going through a residency and then going on to be head of informatics, CMO, or other things? I am sure companies like Epic are snagging MD's up left and right for consulting purposes.

Nothing new here..

32% of your class skipping residency is different to me. I mean (if that stat is true) they aren't even becoming licensed physicians lol what a waste of med school. I don't think Stanford would be proud of that type of statistic, no?

 

[WingedOx]

So how is this different than a doctor going through a residency and then going on to be head of informatics, CMO, or other things? I am sure companies like Epic are snagging MD's up left and right for consulting purposes.

Nothing new here..

Given Epic's reputation, you'd be better off at a malignant surgical residency.

 

[WingedOx]

As for the subject at hand, there's a lot of stupid money being thrown around in that area of the country, and you can't blame students for jumping into it, particularly if they're disillusioned (same reasons why you see the 'doctor -> consulting bro' transition at east coast schools).

But I do wonder about the stability of the careers of these people jumping into the tech industry. Many of these projects will fail to earn commercial success, and then what?

 

[WedgeDawg]

Not to be rude, but I wonder how many of those individuals that opted out of the match scored high enough to match in the first place? Or into fields other than family medicine

You're talking about literally the best students in medicine. I would imagine 99%+ of Stanford's class scores well enough to match into more or less anything they want.

Tech + research only positions + taking a research year + dual degree that one person who fails the boards would likely make up the difference.

I think this is a misleading or uninformed article because many students at top schools take a year for research or a dual degree. My school has about 30% of students do that. Schools like Yale have numbers approaching 50%.

 

[MD2BE92]

You're talking about literally the best students in medicine. I would imagine 99%+ of Stanford's class scores well enough to match into more or less anything they want.

Tech + research only positions + taking a research year + that one person who fails the boards would likely make up the difference.

You are assuming raw intellect = good decision making. I have no doubt that most of stanfords students are extremely qualified by test scores, keyword most.
However, there are those flukes that place into schools like this because they had an easy UG and were good test-takers...then struggle in med school due to lack of work ethic.
That is a ridiculously high percentage of smart kids defering from medicine after attending a prestigious institution though. Really makes you wonder what is wrong with the area/school that drives students to this. Or perhaps the smart ones are getting off a burning ship?

 

[WedgeDawg]

You are assuming raw intellect = good decision making. I have no doubt that most of stanfords students are extremely qualified by test scores, keyword most.
However, there are those flukes that place into schools like this because they had an easy UG and were good test-takers...then struggle in med school due to lack of work ethic.
That is a ridiculously high percentage of smart kids defering from medicine after attending a prestigious institution though. Really makes you wonder what is wrong with the area/school that drives students to this. Or perhaps the smart ones are getting off a burning ship?

Well the article itself says "however these figures don't include those who pursue residency after a couple of years" meaning they don't include dual degree seekers and those who include a research year, which, given the statistics of people who do these things at other top 10 schools, probably makes up the vast majority of the 32% who "don't go on to residency". This just means the author of the article is using a misleading statistic as evidence for his or her own mostly unrelated point.

 

[Spector1]

I heard harvard is similar. A lot opt to go into law, consulting, or business fields rather than practice

 

[MD2BE92]

Well the article itself says "however these figures don't include those who pursue residency after a couple of years" meaning they don't include dual degree seekers and those who include a research year, which, given the statistics of people who do these things at other top 10 schools, probably makes up the vast majority of the 32% who "don't go on to residency". This just means the author of the article is using a misleading statistic as evidence for his or her own mostly unrelated point.

Agreed, which goes back to what I said earlier...article was clickbait. It is unfortunate though that these students are deeming medicine unworthy of their talents then, considering how certain areas of the country would definitely benefit from a clinician of that caliber. But, it is their risk at the end of the day to pursue other mildly related interests in lieu of a residency/clinical career

 

[WedgeDawg]

Agreed, which goes back to what I said earlier...article was clickbait. It is unfortunate though that these students are deeming medicine unworthy of their talents then, considering how certain areas of the country would definitely benefit from a clinician of that caliber. But, it is their risk at the end of the day to pursue other mildly related interests in lieu of a residency/clinical career

Actually most of the people who take a year for research or do a dual degree will go back and practice clinical medicine. I'm planning on doing a research year myself.

I also completely forgot about MD/PhD students which would fit into that number too. I think it's a relatively small number of people who leave medicine altogether right after school.

 

[IlDestriero]

Stanford encourages its students to explore other opportunities, here, abroad, in other fields, research, etc. I'm sure that data is flawed as it doesn't account for that at all. I don't care enough to to try to look into the data.
The idea that they couldn't match is truly LOL worthy.

 

[DokterMom]

Or - Could be that their talents can contribute more to healthcare by approaching it from a tech angle. Maybe through wearables that encourage activity, monitor blood glucose, track BP, fluctuations in heart rate, etc. Just saying we should not jump to the conclusion that it's necessarily a bad thing --

 

[MD2BE92]

Actually most of the people who take a year for research or do a dual degree will go back and practice clinical medicine. I'm planning on doing a research year myself.

I also completely forgot about MD/PhD students which would fit into that number too. I think it's a relatively small number of people who leave medicine altogether right after school.

This is what I was getting at^
Author must have some incentive/vendetta to post misleading article statistics. At least most of us are smart enough to understand manipulation of statistics and shady practices when it comes to reporting

Trolls will be trolls

 

[allantois]

Stanford sucks, go to CNU

 

[Psai]

They mad cause they not ucsf

 

[SOMBound13]

32% of your class skipping residency is different to me. I mean (if that stat is true) they aren't even becoming licensed physicians lol what a waste of med school. I don't think Stanford would be proud of that type of statistic, no?

It does seem strange to me that these students (23% of class) are skipping residency. I could understand doing the residency and then moving onto another career, because (I would think) it would be almost impossible to get matched much later if you changed your mind again.

I wonder if some/many of these skipping students at elite SOMs went to med school under parental pressure, "you're going to be a doctor," but once they were MS4's, they realized that the next step was really their choice.

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

I think the author is approaching this through the 4 years of med school- then residency paradigm. As Wedge and others pointed out, a sizable percentage of students at top schools take additional time to graduate. I believe it's usually like 60% at Stanford.

 

[SOMBound13]

I think the author is approaching this through the 4 years of med school- then residency paradigm. As Wedge and others pointed out, a sizable percentage of students at top schools take additional time to graduate. I believe it's usually like 40% at Stanford.

That's probably true. If the author is using a strict 4 years, then residency, then that's not taking into account those who do a research year, or who delay for a variety of reasons. I know people who've delayed a year+ just so they and their SO's can go thru couples match.

 

[lucin]

dont tax beer.

 

[Psai]

It does seem strange to me that these students (23% of class) are skipping residency. I could understand doing the residency and then moving onto another career, because (I would think) it would be almost impossible to get matched much later if you changed your mind again.

I wonder if some/many of these skipping students at elite SOMs went to med school under parental pressure, "you're going to be a doctor," but once they were MS4's, they realized that the next step was really their choice.

Don't be ridiculous

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

They mad cause they not ucsf

Lol, is there a difference?

 

[MD2BE92]

Don't be ridiculous

I wouldnt go as far to say this is a ridiculous assertion. But its a stretch. I would venture to say that there is probably a higher percentage of legacies in Stanford than State U

 

[Goro]

Please pay attention to my learned colleague, y'all and stop hyperventilating. If Stanford had an attrition rate like that of a Carib diploma mill, LCME would shut them down.

Jeez people...stop already. Read some of the responses to the thread.

This number is totally meaningless. It's the number of grads pursuing residency after four years.

It doesn't account for research years, PhDs, or dual degrees.

This number would be similar at many, many, many schools. It doesn't reflect anything about Stanford.

The author either misunderstood or deliberately used a misleading statistic to fit a preconceived point.

 

[Mad Jack]

If I had a way out with solid pay without having to go through residency, I'd very seriously consider it myself. Not that most of these people are likely doing that- my bet would be less than 10% permanently step away from medicine.