Just Got Fired From My First Job - ER Scribe: Enough clinical experience?

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Lol. This is why women shouldn't be allowed in the workforce.

Nice attitude kid. Women make up half the medical school population, and eventually will make up half the practicing physician population. If you don't learn to treat you female colleagues with respect, you're gonna have a bad time

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

Just going to echo what everyone else here was saying. You were in a position of leadership and failed to be a good leader and lacked key professional skills. A key part of leadership is leading by example, which you completely failed to do on many levels. Your firing was completely just, because if it had not happened, they other scribes would have taken home that your behavior was acceptable to the institution and they could act in a similar manner and only get a warning. With so many people against you, the problem is pretty clear. People are very reluctant to complain about superiors for fear of it resulting in trouble for themselves, and because throwing someone under the bus is a very hard thing to do unless they are quite bad at their job or you really dislike them. If that many people spoke out against you, you must have been more than a little lacking in the leadership department.

thanks for all the judgments on me and my failures which everyone else has acknowledged and not answering a single one of the questions i posted. for what its worth i was usually the earliest one there for my shifts. once or twice i had to get gas or something and was like 1 or 2 minutes late to clock-in. whenever my system has a late clock-in, an e-mail is sent to me and my boss and a new ticket is opened, requiring me to follow up. its not like i could just say 'well i'm not going to follow up because 2 weeks ago i had to take an emergency **** before work and got late by 2 minutes' at least three but no more than four people complained about me, two were females, the male complained about the tardiness thing, one of the females was completely honest about her accusations, the other one said alot of untrue things about me in addition to true things.

but i started this thread in part, yes, to get your opinion on whether this was justified from an employment perspective, but more importantly to help me grow and get into medical school. your post did nothing to help.

Edit: hey you know what, thanks for your opinion. i replied earlier and i was upset about your post but i need to hear how everyone thinks so itll be burned into my brain how not to be. anyway, if you do have advice on the other 6 questions i asked like whether to include on amcas, how to portray it, whether to ask docs for LOR, do i need more clinical experience, etc, im all ears.

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

I've always thought it was a worse thing to say to a dude, personally.
The point, though, isn't who OP said it to, it's that they clearly have no social or professional sense.

OP, you can be a stickler or not (regarding tardiness, etc), but you can't be a hypocrite and not expect backlash.

what sucks is that everyone, including sdn, now sees the 4-6 tiny things i did wrong (showing up late once or twice), made a few inappropriate comments against months of doing things right and leading by example (or so i thought). i never missed a shift when some people would sleep in and just not go in. getting woken up at 5am to go cover or a scribe who didn't show up. having to catch my friends in lies and deciding whether to take action against them. having to be the best at charting in order to critique others on their charts. all down the drain and my reputation sullied for those 4-6 things. (maybe i'm wrong but either way that's what my experience has been reduced to in the eyes of others once i tell them i was terminated for xyz reason)

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

I kinda feel badly for you. Your behavior simply doesn't come off as a leader of 14 other full time scribes. It's too bad that you were given this role because it sure sounds like you were not ready. I guess you have to realize that as a leader, you have to do everything right and proper. You have to get to work on time, especially if you're expecting others to do the same. Being the leader doesn't mean you get a 'free pass' on being a good employee.

You asked if it makes sense to look for another scribe job. No! Although you have the experience, you got a bad review and that will kill any future chance to be a scribe elsewhere. Sure, no one gave you a negative for actual your scribing work, but still, you were fired. Besides, it doesn't sound like you enjoyed it that much anyway. In fact, if you can find another option, you'll have a better story to tell to explain why you left.

thanks for the sympathy, it does help. its funny because i did have minor leadership roles in certain organizations, like leading a group of volunteers in a canvassing project. but this was my first leadership role in an employment scenario.

the one thing i take from your post is 'being the leader doesnt mean you get a free pass.' the FMD at my facility told me once if you want to be a leader in medicine you have to be the best there is, the best technique, theory, timeliness, professionalism, everything. unfortunately i guess i did not meet that burden.

its not that i didnt like scribing. i liked working with the doctors who would talk through their thought processes, or explain XR/CT imaging to me, or just treat me like a human. i didnt like working with the docs who wouldn't acknowledge me except to correct physical exam findings or say 'now we're going to room 38.' plus scribing was cool but after awhile, without the mental stimulation of something new, it was being paid to shadow the same cases in the ed and not be able to ask questions.

anyway, i think im going to focus on the mcat for the next one month. get an lor from a doc or two if they are ok with giving me one, after i explain my mistakes in professionalism/leadership and asking if they can forgive that and write me strong letters. after my app is submitted in june, i'll still have my lab job and be volunteering, so we'll see what the future holds.

 

[Boolean]

what sucks is that everyone, including sdn, now sees the 4-6 tiny things i did wrong (showing up late once or twice), made a few inappropriate comments against months of doing things right and leading by example (or so i thought). i never missed a shift when some people would sleep in and just not go in. getting woken up at 5am to go cover or a scribe who didn't show up. having to catch my friends in lies and deciding whether to take action against them. having to be the best at charting in order to critique others on their charts. all down the drain and my reputation sullied for those 4-6 things. (maybe i'm wrong but either way that's what my experience has been reduced to in the eyes of others once i tell them i was terminated for xyz reason)

You have to realize, that's how these things go. It's a learning experience. You've certainly been kicked to the ground. Now, you build yourself back up. Nobody feels worse about the situation than you do. Use that.

 

[SN12357]

what sucks is that everyone, including sdn, now sees the 4-6 tiny things i did wrong (showing up late once or twice), made a few inappropriate comments against months of doing things right and leading by example (or so i thought). i never missed a shift when some people would sleep in and just not go in. getting woken up at 5am to go cover or a scribe who didn't show up. having to catch my friends in lies and deciding whether to take action against them. having to be the best at charting in order to critique others on their charts. all down the drain and my reputation sullied for those 4-6 things. (maybe i'm wrong but either way that's what my experience has been reduced to in the eyes of others once i tell them i was terminated for xyz reason)

Well...yes. Because you were in the management role and you screwed up that part, which is the most important part if you're being paid to be a manager. It sounds like you would have been a good employee if you had only been in the scribe role, but you weren't. You had additional responsibilities that you did not handle well. Management is an unpleasant task. It involves critiquing others and yes, being held to a higher standard. The things you're complaining about in this post aren't unfair; they're part and parcel of the job you took.

I'd say the management of the scribe company showed very bad judgement in giving this amount of responsibility to someone too young and too obviously close to the former peers they were then supposed to manage, but that mistake on their part doesn't change your mistakes.

If you use this as a learning experience you'll end up much the better for it. If you stew over it it'll take you down in the application process because someone will ask about it and if you come off as resentful or angry it'll be a red flag. You really should practice talking about what happened in a formal interview setting because you're going to need lots of careful wordsmithing to talk about this experience without the red flags waving.

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

Well...yes. Because you were in the management role and you screwed up that part, which is the most important part if you're being paid to be a manager. It sounds like you would have been a good employee if you had only been in the scribe role, but you weren't. You had additional responsibilities that you did not handle well. Management is an unpleasant task. It involves critiquing others and yes, being held to a higher standard. The things you're complaining about in this post aren't unfair; they're part and parcel of the job you took.

I'd say the management of the scribe company showed very bad judgement in giving this amount of responsibility to someone too young and too obviously close to the former peers they were then supposed to manage, but that mistake on their part doesn't change your mistakes.

If you use this as a learning experience you'll end up much the better for it. If you stew over it it'll take you down in the application process because someone will ask about it and if you come off as resentful or angry it'll be a red flag. You really should practice talking about what happened in a formal interview setting because you're going to need lots of careful wordsmithing to talk about this experience without the red flags waving.

thanks appreciate your insight. im pretty much over it. 4 days ago i had this job, 3 days ago i knew something was wrong, 2 days ago i got fired, so given that its so recent i feel pretty good about it. i believe things happen for a reason so i'll take this as i got some good experience as a scribe, some good experience as a manager, and now i have time to focus on the mcat, the most important part of my application. since i still work at my lab i am plenty busy. maybe this was all part of the plan for me.

anyway, i really appreciate the comment about practicing my interviewing for this. off the top of my head, if someone asks why i left, i think i could reasonably say 'well to be honest, it was alot of responsibility and pressure being a middle manager for $11/hour, i enjoyed charting and working in the ED but i'd started to see diminishing returns in my knowledge and experience, and between making the long-term commitment to my lab and studying for the mcat, something had to give, and unfortunately it was scribing. i still keep in touch with some of the scribes and physicians, but it was just a temporary gig which i was grateful to have before my app cycle started.' how does that sound?

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

You have to realize, that's how these things go. It's a learning experience. You've certainly been kicked to the ground. Now, you build yourself back up. Nobody feels worse about the situation than you do. Use that.

too true Boolean. i will certainly build myself back up, and i'll start by getting my LORs in line from the physician(s) who know me well and can forgive/look past my termination and not mention it, then onto finding free clinics to volunteer at and studying for my mcat!! i'll still be mentioning this on my amcas as of now. probably not going to make it one of my 3 most meaningful though...but then again it was my only clinical...sigh, we'll see.

 

[SN12357]

thanks appreciate your insight. im pretty much over it. 4 days ago i had this job, 3 days ago i knew something was wrong, 2 days ago i got fired, so given that its so recent i feel pretty good about it. i believe things happen for a reason so i'll take this as i got some good experience as a scribe, some good experience as a manager, and now i have time to focus on the mcat, the most important part of my application. since i still work at my lab i am plenty busy. maybe this was all part of the plan for me.

anyway, i really appreciate the comment about practicing my interviewing for this. off the top of my head, if someone asks why i left, i think i could reasonably say 'well to be honest, it was alot of responsibility and pressure being a middle manager for $11/hour, i enjoyed charting and working in the ED but i'd started to see diminishing returns in my knowledge and experience, and between making the long-term commitment to my lab and studying for the mcat, something had to give, and unfortunately it was scribing. i still keep in touch with some of the scribes and physicians, but it was just a temporary gig which i was grateful to have before my app cycle started.' how does that sound?

Not bad except for the bolded because being a medical student and then a doctor will be much more responsibility and pressure than you faced here (even when not in a management role) so you don't want to cast doubt on your ability to handle it. Stick to framing leaving as necessary due to your commitment to your lab and the MCAT and you should be ok.

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

You may be right, I wasn't aware that the contact person wasn't allowed to talk about things other than confirming the hours. My b.

hello @Ismet . i texted one the former physicians i worked with yesterday and he said he'd be happy to write me an LOR and gave me his email address and asked me to send him everything he'd need to write a good letter. i was planning to write him an email explaining that i left the scribe role and would prefer to meet him in person at his convenience if he's ok with it in order to explain what happened. if he says he doesn't have time, i'd explain everything via e-mail and ask if he'd still be comfortable writing a strong letter of support for me and not mentioning my termination. this guy only moonlights at the ed i worked at and only worked with me and a few other scribes. i know he likes me now, but he probably doesn't know about the term. if he's comfortable writing the LOR i'd ask him to write it and as soon as AMCAS opens on may 1 send him either the interfolio stuff or the letter writer form. if he agrees i'd only be worried about him forgetting that he knew/liked me between now and may 1 and would ask him to write it sooner and save it on his computer.

do you think this is acceptable? as a med student you might have better insight. thanks.

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

Learn from it and move on. I'm not going to slam you beyond that you recognize you said/ did some really stupid things and paid the price for it. I'd be careful to make sure that if a school tracks down your contact that they are not going to find out that you were fired. If you have a friend or person that will only say good things about you, then yes go for it, otherwise, I'd be careful. If I was on an admissions council and heard even half of what you wrote about, your application would be in the trash. Doctors who led medical teams can't be doing that kind of stuff. Like I said, learn from it and move on. Better to learn this lesson now than down the road when it could have real consequences.

thanks for your comments. i'll definitely be careful about who i pick for my reference for this amcas experience.

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

you are michael scott from the office. dont change who you are.

thanks man. thats how i felt initially! unfortunately as i learned from others and sdn, michael scott isn't a doctor for a good reason i suppose. i love the office though!

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

Just curious: did you redact part of vagina or did the forum do that? Confused because that's not a bad word...

Anyway, you obviously didn't give us the whole story, but I don't see anything egregious in what you wrote. You showed poor leadership by not telling the whole truth and by being a hypocrite with regards to showing up on time, but if someone is premed and bristles at a comment like "grow a pair" or speculation why someone doesn't like you, I can't wait to see what they think about their surgery or OB/GYN clerkship. Your colleagues showed themselves to be tattle tales. If everything said at happy hour/outside of work was reported to upper management, nobody would keep their job anywhere.

Unless you show your cards on the application, they chances that anybody calls your contact for the scribe company are pretty low, so I think you can safely report and just omit the circumstances under which you left.

thanks for your comments. i did redact 'vagina,' let's just say i want to be as careful as possible moving forward...

 

[wiloghby]

tbh i tried to joke around to be liked. i figured if i can make people laugh they will like me as a leader.

This is the exact premise of the television show The Office...a leader with that mentality is filmed in the workplace and we all get to laugh at all of the hilarious HR breaches that follow.

Sorry to make light of your situation. I'm glad that it reads like you are acknowledging what went wrong instead of being overly defensive. That's a good thing.

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

This is the exact premise of the television show The Office...a leader with that mentality is filmed in the workplace and we all get to laugh at all of the hilarious HR breaches that follow.

Sorry to make light of your situation. I'm glad that it reads like you are acknowledging what went wrong instead of being overly defensive. That's a good thing.

yea don't get me wrong, at the end of the day i did things wrong and i was terminated for doing those wrong things. i wish things would have gone differently and im sure other people do these things often and never get penalized, but that doesnt change the fact that what i did was not right and not professional. further, i am glad that i actually learned something here instead of just coasted through as a bad leader and got screwed somewhere down the line when the consequences mattered more.

re the michael scott analogy. we scribes were all hired near the same time, in fact i was hired about halfway through the implementation after half the other scribes had already started. we all started off as peers/friends, i wanted to keep that friendly relationship despite being their supervisor. also, my boss told me that being chief scribe wasn't that big a supervisory role, he was like 'you're a regular scribe with also some management responsibilities.' i couldn't get anyone in trouble, i could only report stuff to hr for example. so all of a sudden, i was this super manager making his underlings feel harrassed or uncomfortable or whatever, where in my head, i was just another scribe who had to go in to cover shifts when people called in sick last minute. oh well. life's not fair then we die. hopefully we go to med school, become physicians, and help a few people before we kick the can.

 

[BeancheBlanco]

I know that doing a single clinical activity right before applying to medical school is a sort of red flag. It makes it look like you're just trying to check off that box instead of actually caring about learning about medicine. But then again you did it for 6 months full-time so it's probably fine.

This is the exact premise of the television show The Office...a leader with that mentality is filmed in the workplace and we all get to laugh at all of the hilarious HR breaches that follow.

Sorry to make light of your situation. I'm glad that it reads like you are acknowledging what went wrong instead of being overly defensive. That's a good thing.

Um I'm pretty sure that is NOT the premise of The Office. Michael Scott isn't a boss who tries to be funny. He's an awkward social degenerate.

 

[wiloghby]

I know that doing a single clinical activity right before applying to medical school is a sort of red flag. It makes it look like you're just trying to check off that box instead of actually caring about learning about medicine. But then again you did it for 6 months full-time so it's probably fine.



Um I'm pretty sure that is NOT the premise of The Office. Michael Scott isn't a boss who tries to be funny. He's an awkward social degenerate.

I would say... watch the first 3 minutes of the pilot fully and maybe re-evaluate. Particularly, in that time, when he says "People say I am the best boss. 'We've never worked in a place like this before. You're hilarious. ...and...you get the best out of us.' *holds up worlds best boss mug*" It's no coincidence that's the first time the camera is alone with him in his office.. it's supposed to be him introducing who he thinks he is to the audience. He thinks by "telling jokes" and "being hilarious" (without realizing people find it offensive and complain to HR), he will be "the best boss".

Also, if you look at the UK version.. David Brent even more directly hangs his self-worth as a manager on what people think of his jokes. And it's not a coincidence that the Michael Scott character thinks the HR guy is the devil. Michael Scott is a character whose entire management style revolves around trying to be funny and getting his employees to like him...which is a ridiculous goal and that's why he ends up alone for so long. He really wants to be funny.. that's why he is always taking improv classes or putting on performances in the conference room...and doing terribly.

I would agree that Michael Scott, as a real person in that world, is NOT funny and is awkward socially. But he is definitely trying to be funny to endear all of his employees...not realizing for like 7 seasons that they are all always going to resent him for it.


It's most definitely the starting concept for the boss character on the show.. whether or not it's the premise of the whole show depends on how much you think the show centers around that character.... seasons 8 and 9 kind of lead me to believe it does quite a bit.

So.. I've been watching a lot of TV while waiting for medical school to start.

Sorry to derail. I have my opinion and you have yours. I will definitely recant and apologize if you're actually Ricky Gervais and spend your time policing Office references...as your opinion may instead count as fact in this case. In that case PM me! I just thought parallel was neat. Yep, definitely too much TV.

Anyway, OP will be way more successful in his endeavors than either of these fictional characters as it seems like he is capable of taking inventory and making the necessary changes. In case @PortlandSurgeon wants my advice, I would agree with others who have said list the activity, try to pick the best possible reference, and don't ask for a letter. I'm rooting for you.

 

[wiloghby]

yea don't get me wrong, at the end of the day i did things wrong and i was terminated for doing those wrong things. i wish things would have gone differently and im sure other people do these things often and never get penalized, but that doesnt change the fact that what i did was not right and not professional. further, i am glad that i actually learned something here instead of just coasted through as a bad leader and got screwed somewhere down the line when the consequences mattered more.

re the michael scott analogy. we scribes were all hired near the same time, in fact i was hired about halfway through the implementation after half the other scribes had already started. we all started off as peers/friends, i wanted to keep that friendly relationship despite being their supervisor. also, my boss told me that being chief scribe wasn't that big a supervisory role, he was like 'you're a regular scribe with also some management responsibilities.' i couldn't get anyone in trouble, i could only report stuff to hr for example. so all of a sudden, i was this super manager making his underlings feel harrassed or uncomfortable or whatever, where in my head, i was just another scribe who had to go in to cover shifts when people called in sick last minute. oh well. life's not fair then we die. hopefully we go to med school, become physicians, and help a few people before we kick the can.

Yeah I get it. I actually work as a scribe now and there's a position for our site that is basically the same.. you just make the schedules every month and serve as the person everyone calls when they're calling out sick or going to be late, and you try to take notes if you notice other scribes are making similar errors so you can relay it back to management and get some retraining for the whole site. It's not a position of real power, but maybe some people don't know that.

I don't think of the guy who has that role at our hospital as a supervisor at all. I would be very surprised if any of my coworkers reported him to HR even for being inappropriate.

One of my other coworkers recently compared the no food/drink at the nurse's station policy to the Holocaust, and asked the charge nurse if "he could drink his Jewish water now or if you were still being a Nazi about it." Also, one of the physicians on the board of directors of the staffing company was sitting across from him and giving him a note at the time.

And I'm pretty sure he didn't get in trouble. But he's a per diem employee who only fills in when someone is out sick and is super fast and accurate. I dunno if that's why he gets away with it.

It is a shame you got fired over it as I'm sure you would've learned the lesson without it coming to that. But you'll have learned a lesson I'm sure some of your colleagues won't have by the time you start medical school... so that's the upside.

 

[EngineerPreMD]

I'm going to write this knowing that I'm getting only one side of the story, but I think your real mistake here was your failure to recognize that a few of your co-workers weren't your friends, audience is important. Immediately after being named chief you should've recognized that you needed to watch your back.

I would imagine more than a few of your co-workers were upset that you beat them for the chief job. You made this worse by acting unprofessionally, which spawned thoughts of, "how is this guy in charge of me?" in all your sour co-workers. Tack on being a stickler about tardiness, and anyone who didn't have an excuse to dislike you before has a rant prepared for any willing ear. The unsavory comments on the textproc provided evidence (no matter how out of context) that was guaranteed to sink you. So many people (really, a ton of people) do exactly what (you said) you did and never get fired, but audience is important, and you chose to give ammo to people who were ultimately your competitors, not your peers or supervisees.

I feel really bad for you honestly. It seems like you didn't have bad intentions, and you're handling this with maturity. I'd work with you than someone who runs to HR over a couple of vagina-jokes instead of taking the issue up with you personally first. In general, don't curse or be lewd in front of people who wouldn't reciprocate the behavior, and NEVER put anything in writing that can be traced back to you. As for everyone bashing your professionalism, it's easy to judge from behind a keyboard. I've seen that pre-meds tend to judge harshly (myself included, probably because this process is guaranteed to make even the most self-assured person horribly insecure). I sincerely hope that you are accepted to medical school despite this fiasco.

As for advice, AMCAS? they won't call, but it will probably come up in interviews, and if the termination date doesn't make obvious sense chronologically with your app they will ask why you left. LOR? Are you nuts?

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

I'm going to write this knowing that I'm getting only one side of the story, but I think your real mistake here was your failure to recognize that a few of your co-workers weren't your friends, audience is important. Immediately after being named chief you should've recognized that you needed to watch your back.

I would imagine more than a few of your co-workers were upset that you beat them for the chief job. You made this worse by acting unprofessionally, which spawned thoughts of, "how is this guy in charge of me?" in all your sour co-workers. Tack on being a stickler about tardiness, and anyone who didn't have an excuse to dislike you before has a rant prepared for any willing ear. The unsavory comments on the textproc provided evidence (no matter how out of context) that was guaranteed to sink you. So many people (really, a ton of people) do exactly what (you said) you did and never get fired, but audience is important, and you chose to give ammo to people who were ultimately your competitors, not your peers or supervisees.

I feel really bad for you honestly. It seems like you didn't have bad intentions, and you're handling this with maturity. I'd work with you than someone who runs to HR over a couple of vagina-jokes instead of taking the issue up with you personally first. In general, don't curse or be lewd in front of people who wouldn't reciprocate the behavior, and NEVER put anything in writing that can be traced back to you. As for everyone bashing your professionalism, it's easy to judge from behind a keyboard. I've seen that pre-meds tend to judge harshly (myself included, probably because this process is guaranteed to make even the most self-assured person horribly insecure). I sincerely hope that you are accepted to medical school despite this fiasco.

As for advice, AMCAS? they won't call, but it will probably come up in interviews, and if the termination date doesn't make obvious sense chronologically with your app they will ask why you left. LOR? Are you nuts?

and while i am over it (as much as one can be after getting fired for the first time, 5 days out), i am kicking myself over and over for not realizing this. it was so weird because the people that i thought would tattle on me didn't, and the ones that i thought i was cool with were the ones who did. its like the old adage says, keep your friends close and your enemies closer (or w/e).

you hit the nose on the head. that being said, i did make mistakes, which i am taking responsibility for. i guess if i were a girl and some guy told me to 'grow a pair' - joking or not - maybe i'd be offended. anyway i am being honest with what i said because this is an anonymous place so i don't have to sugar coat it, i don't need validation, i need solid advice you know (and encouragement i guess which you so kindly provided). thanks for all the tips EngineerPreMD. as far as the lor? yeah i am crazy. im a neurotic pre med who is obsessing that they are going to be rejected from 40 md school and when i call the adcom and ask why they are going to say that i didnt have an lor from my only clinical experience lol... anyway. bigons. thanks again.

 

[PortlandSurgeon]

I would say... watch the first 3 minutes of the pilot fully and maybe re-evaluate. Particularly, in that time, when he says "People say I am the best boss. 'We've never worked in a place like this before. You're hilarious. ...and...you get the best out of us.' *holds up worlds best boss mug*" It's no coincidence that's the first time the camera is alone with him in his office.. it's supposed to be him introducing who he thinks he is to the audience. He thinks by "telling jokes" and "being hilarious" (without realizing people find it offensive and complain to HR), he will be "the best boss".

Also, if you look at the UK version.. David Brent even more directly hangs his self-worth as a manager on what people think of his jokes. And it's not a coincidence that the Michael Scott character thinks the HR guy is the devil. Michael Scott is a character whose entire management style revolves around trying to be funny and getting his employees to like him...which is a ridiculous goal and that's why he ends up alone for so long. He really wants to be funny.. that's why he is always taking improv classes or putting on performances in the conference room...and doing terribly.

I would agree that Michael Scott, as a real person in that world, is NOT funny and is awkward socially. But he is definitely trying to be funny to endear all of his employees...not realizing for like 7 seasons that they are all always going to resent him for it.


It's most definitely the starting concept for the boss character on the show.. whether or not it's the premise of the whole show depends on how much you think the show centers around that character.... seasons 8 and 9 kind of lead me to believe it does quite a bit.

So.. I've been watching a lot of TV while waiting for medical school to start.

Sorry to derail. I have my opinion and you have yours. I will definitely recant and apologize if you're actually Ricky Gervais and spend your time policing Office references...as your opinion may instead count as fact in this case. In that case PM me! I just thought parallel was neat. Yep, definitely too much TV.

Anyway, OP will be way more successful in his endeavors than either of these fictional characters as it seems like he is capable of taking inventory and making the necessary changes. In case @PortlandSurgeon wants my advice, I would agree with others who have said list the activity, try to pick the best possible reference, and don't ask for a letter. I'm rooting for you.

thanks i appreciate it. hope you dig the avatar.

 

[EngineerPreMD]

and while i am over it (as much as one can be after getting fired for the first time, 5 days out), i am kicking myself over and over for not realizing this. it was so weird because the people that i thought would tattle on me didn't, and the ones that i thought i was cool with were the ones who did. its like the old adage says, keep your friends close and your enemies closer (or w/e).

you hit the nose on the head. that being said, i did make mistakes, which i am taking responsibility for. i guess if i were a girl and some guy told me to 'grow a pair' - joking or not - maybe i'd be offended. anyway i am being honest with what i said because this is an anonymous place so i don't have to sugar coat it, i don't need validation, i need solid advice you know (and encouragement i guess which you so kindly provided). thanks for all the tips EngineerPreMD. as far as the lor? yeah i am crazy. im a neurotic pre med who is obsessing that they are going to be rejected from 40 md school and when i call the adcom and ask why they are going to say that i didnt have an lor from my only clinical experience lol... anyway. bigons. thanks again.

Worried about the rec? How about this as an MCAT break since you now have some extra time: find a doctor who's willing to let you shadow him/her for a while (maybe a month or more on a regular basis) and ask him/her for a rec. You'll probably impress to a certain extent with the knowledge you gained as a scribe, which will be way ahead of what most pre-meds know (which is nothing).