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Had an experience today that made me think... Perhaps I'm not the only one who feels this way.

The other day, I was talking to a girl in my class who I had regarded as relatively ditzy. We got on the subject of grades. I worked my ass off for the most recent round of tests. Like outworked many of my peers, even gaining a reputation as a "gunner". I scored right around the class average (on some tests; others higher). This girl annihilated me. She ended up scoring 90+ on everything. She does that consistently, apparently. My jaw almost dropped. I guess it was a lesson not to judge others at face-value. Still, she was one of those people that seemed to not really know that much when you talked to her in class, or in discussions of concepts. Yet somehow destroyed the exams. At first thought, I couldn't really understand it.

Perhaps this is just me getting disgruntled as a second year, but that experience touches on a common complaint I'm having lately. A lot of my classmates aren't really super "intelligent". They just read, and read, and read. When a topic comes up that they have read about, they literally regurgitate everything they've read without any critical thinking. They are completely devoid of logical parsimony in their approach, and it's almost astounding at times. They'll whiff spectacularly when it comes to even the simplest task that requires reasoning instead of recall.

Upon thinking more about it, I guess it came down to the fact that I sacrificed studying lecture minutiae for nailing down high yield concepts in Pathoma and First Aid, that will hopefully show returns in the form of higher board scores. In exchange, my test grades suffer. But does anybody else feel disgruntled like I do? Maybe this is something I shouldn't give too much thought to. But it really just hit me that you don't have to be that smart to be a doctor. It really just takes hard work.
 
Here's a hint: stop basing your opinion of people on their grades.
 
Well if they have zero reasoning skills then third year will not go well for them.


However, considering they are a med student they must have done ok on the mcat. You can't make it through that thing without decent reasoning skills.

I suspect they are better at memorizing and prefer it....but when it comes down to it they can do more critical thinking than you would assume.
 
I don't think I'm really basing my opinion of her on her grades. My opinion of her hasn't changed at all really.

I know, which is why you're trying to reconcile your view of her by saying she's a hard-working ditz. You're just digging a deeper hole.
 
She will most likely do better than you on Step I too, but you can still take comfort in believing that you are more intelligent than her.
 
Well if they have zero reasoning skills then third year will not go well for them.


However, considering they are a med student they must have done ok on the mcat. You can't make it through that thing without decent reasoning skills.

I suspect they are better at memorizing and prefer it....but when it comes down to it they can do more critical thinking than you would assume.

Not necessarily. Some people are great at brute-force memorization but can't synthesize material. So when tests stop having questions like "which of the following is/are true?" they start struggling. But I don't know why you guys care. I never really cared who knew more (or less) than me in school.
 
There was definitely someone in my class that always exuded the sense that their head was in the clouds. Ended up matching into a top residency in an extremely competitive field.
 
There was definitely someone in my class that always exuded the sense that their head was in the clouds. Ended up matching into a top residency in an extremely competitive field.

Was she hot?
 
I know, which is why you're trying to reconcile your view of her by saying she's a hard-working ditz. You're just digging a deeper hole.

It's not just her - but a lot of my classmates. I have friends at other med schools who have remarked on the same phenomenon. Apparent "airheads" that do ridiculously well come test time.

She will most likely do better than you on Step I too, but you can still take comfort in believing that you are more intelligent than her.

Shyea, whatever bra

Not necessarily. Some people are great at brute-force memorization but can't synthesize material. So when tests stop having questions like "which of the following is/are true?" they start struggling. But I don't know why you guys care. I never really cared who knew more (or less) than me in school.

This is true, and I think is what's the case a lot of times. Although again, I've considered the fact that I'm just underestimating them. Still, some of the things they say (a lot of discussion in our curriculum) are astounding and demonstrate to me that they don't have that deep of a grasp on the material.

There was definitely someone in my class that always exuded the sense that their head was in the clouds. Ended up matching into a top residency in an extremely competitive field.

This pretty much sums it up, and I think most of us can relate to this.
 
Was she hot?

I don't know how your exams are OP, but almost all my tests in med school have been secondary or tertiary type questions that require reasoning skills in order to answer them. Very very few strictly first order fact recall questions. You are just average. Deal with it.
 
I don't know how your exams are OP, but almost all my tests in med school have been secondary or tertiary type questions that require reasoning skills in order to answer them. Very very few strictly first order fact recall questions. You are just average. Deal with it.

Yes, that's what my exams are like. Hard, but not in a fair way. Except tertiary questions require mundane memorization of far more trivial information. This caters specifically towards mindless regurgitation. Certainly not questions that require an application and true mastery of concepts.

But yeah, I'm not saying I'm more than an average student. Simply that this phenomenon surprised me at first. I'm not really bothered by it.
 
Welcome to med school...you memorize facts and learn to apply them to figure stuff out. Don't know what you want...medicine is full of info that you just have to know.
 
Welcome to med school...you memorize facts and learn to apply them to figure stuff out. Don't know what you want...medicine is full of info that you just have to know.

I agree on the whole.

But asking a question to which the answer is straight recall of two words on one slide of an 80-slide powerpoint is not application, and caters specifically to people who just mindlessly read.
 
Had an experience today that made me think... Perhaps I'm not the only one who feels this way.

The other day, I was talking to a girl in my class who I had regarded as relatively ditzy. We got on the subject of grades. I worked my ass off for the most recent round of tests. Like outworked many of my peers, even gaining a reputation as a "gunner". I scored right around the class average (on some tests; others higher). This girl annihilated me. She ended up scoring 90+ on everything. She does that consistently, apparently. My jaw almost dropped. I guess it was a lesson not to judge others at face-value. Still, she was one of those people that seemed to not really know that much when you talked to her in class, or in discussions of concepts. Yet somehow destroyed the exams. At first thought, I couldn't really understand it.

Perhaps this is just me getting disgruntled as a second year, but that experience touches on a common complaint I'm having lately. A lot of my classmates aren't really super "intelligent". They just read, and read, and read. When a topic comes up that they have read about, they literally regurgitate everything they've read without any critical thinking. They are completely devoid of logical parsimony in their approach, and it's almost astounding at times. They'll whiff spectacularly when it comes to even the simplest task that requires reasoning instead of recall.

Upon thinking more about it, I guess it came down to the fact that I sacrificed studying lecture minutiae for nailing down high yield concepts in Pathoma and First Aid, that will hopefully show returns in the form of higher board scores. In exchange, my test grades suffer. But does anybody else feel disgruntled like I do? Maybe this is something I shouldn't give too much thought to. But it really just hit me that you don't have to be that smart to be a doctor. It really just takes hard work.

I identify with this girl you're talking about quite a bit actually. Small group sessions work for me because I'm talkative to the point where I'd rather say the wrong answer to break the silence, meaning that being stupid and acknowledging my stupidity in small group sessions not only is completely unrelated to my level of knowledge (at least when the exam comes along), but actually makes my exam grades better.

As a result, a good number of my classmates think I'm an idiot who learns no material and is just sliding through second year. The joke's on them, just as it was with you. You can't ever truly know who is doing well unless you know the kinds of grades they're getting.
 
I identify with this girl you're talking about quite a bit actually. Small group sessions work for me because I'm talkative to the point where I'd rather say the wrong answer to break the silence, meaning that being stupid and acknowledging my stupidity in small group sessions not only is completely unrelated to my level of knowledge (at least when the exam comes along), but actually makes my exam grades better.

As a result, a good number of my classmates think I'm an idiot who learns no material and is just sliding through second year. The joke's on them, just as it was with you. You can't ever truly know who is doing well unless you know the kinds of grades they're getting.

I'm all for a no-pressure environment in small-group. We're here to learn, and I always respect what others have to say. It should go without saying that I respect all of my peers and am constantly humbled by how much more there is to learn. However, I get my impression of them from more interactions with them than just small group sessions. You have a point though - you can not judge how intelligent someone is by what they say out loud. It's the result that matters. Only the result, nothing else.

My main point is that how well they're doing doesn't necessarily translate to intelligence. It's just how much you work. If you're smart or work smartly, you don't have to work as hard. But that doesn't apply to most of us.
 
Worry about yourself. It seems that you may be a bit jealous. If she's not cut out for medicine, it will come out in 3rd and 4th year. Her humility is one of the greatest assets a person can have.

Again, one lesson I've learned the hard way. I can't say that I'm not slightly jealous of high marks - few could. But it would only hurt me to get caught up worrying about such things. I'm not saying that she's cut out for medicine. In fact, maybe the opposite, and it's just that medicine didn't require what I originally thought it did.
 
Had an experience today that made me think... Perhaps I'm not the only one who feels this way.

The other day, I was talking to a girl in my class who I had regarded as relatively ditzy. We got on the subject of grades. I worked my ass off for the most recent round of tests. Like outworked many of my peers, even gaining a reputation as a "gunner". I scored right around the class average (on some tests; others higher). This girl annihilated me. She ended up scoring 90+ on everything. She does that consistently, apparently. My jaw almost dropped. I guess it was a lesson not to judge others at face-value. Still, she was one of those people that seemed to not really know that much when you talked to her in class, or in discussions of concepts. Yet somehow destroyed the exams. At first thought, I couldn't really understand it.

Perhaps this is just me getting disgruntled as a second year, but that experience touches on a common complaint I'm having lately. A lot of my classmates aren't really super "intelligent". They just read, and read, and read. When a topic comes up that they have read about, they literally regurgitate everything they've read without any critical thinking. They are completely devoid of logical parsimony in their approach, and it's almost astounding at times. They'll whiff spectacularly when it comes to even the simplest task that requires reasoning instead of recall.

Upon thinking more about it, I guess it came down to the fact that I sacrificed studying lecture minutiae for nailing down high yield concepts in Pathoma and First Aid, that will hopefully show returns in the form of higher board scores. In exchange, my test grades suffer. But does anybody else feel disgruntled like I do? Maybe this is something I shouldn't give too much thought to. But it really just hit me that you don't have to be that smart to be a doctor. It really just takes hard work.


Not sure if they bolded is the best mentality to have. I studied the minutia second year and did pretty well on step one.... more importantly I think the deeper understanding I gained has helped on the wards at least a little bit...
 
I agree on the whole.

But asking a question to which the answer is straight recall of two words on one slide of an 80-slide powerpoint is not application, and caters specifically to people who just mindlessly read.

Guess what? That pretty little ditz in your class is good at both
 
Sounds like OP needs a couple more servings. Good test takers aren't going to bomb on Step just because they focused on memorizing minutiae in class. If anything, those details will give her the edge over you. My classmates performed about as well on Step as they had done in class, with a little variation here and there. The junior AOA-destined people all did well.
 
It really has motivated me to study harder.

Looking back on it, there are several things I can improve (in terms of what to study, what's important in lectures), and how much I study (I messed around a lot more than I realized) that will push me from a good student to a great student.
 
Yeah sorry man but you just sound jealous and like you're trying to rationalize why someone you assumed was "less intelligent" scored higher than you, consistently. How one socially portrays themselves is probably a lot more complex than the intelligence comparison. She's just smarter than most people.
 
you don't have to sound smart to be smart.
 
Upon thinking more about it, I guess it came down to the fact that I sacrificed studying lecture minutiae for nailing down high yield concepts in Pathoma and First Aid, that will hopefully show returns in the form of higher board scores. In exchange, my test grades suffer.

You're upset that you're performing at an average level, and people who diligently study the class material are doing better, but this is how you're studying for your exams? I, too, use Pathoma and FA, but I use them to supplement the class notes or to understand a complicated/confusing concept. I don't understand the people (some of my classmates included) who use review resources to learn the material.
 
I don't know how your exams are OP, but almost all my tests in med school have been secondary or tertiary type questions that require reasoning skills in order to answer them. Very very few strictly first order fact recall questions. You are just average.

Guess what? That pretty little ditz in your class is good at both

Pretty much this. I've seen hilariously stupid students try to justify their lack of achievement by saying they don't do that "memorizing" stuff....that they hone in on the big picture. Puh-lease. I know rote memorizers who don't integrate well and they are very average. The highest scorers are doing both.

Yeah sorry man but you just sound jealous and like you're trying to rationalize why someone you assumed was "less intelligent" scored higher than you, consistently. How one socially portrays themselves is probably a lot more complex than the intelligence comparison. She's just smarter than most people.

This. And if it helps at all, OP...I've met people who didn't seem to have all that much sharpness on the surface but there are forms of intelligence which don't require great articulation and savvy word play.
 
The lesson you should learn here is not to judge a book by its cover. Hopefully you learn it before it's time to see patients.
 
The other day, I was talking to a girl in my class who I had regarded as relatively ditzy. This girl annihilated me. She ended up scoring 90+ on everything. She does that consistently, apparently.

Doing well on med school exams doesn't exactly correlate with reasoning ability. It's more of an ability to memorize. Some people are memorization machines but can't reason their way to the parking lot. You could spend a week memorizing a short speech in Romanian, including the correct pronounciations so that you sound native. Does this mean you understand Romanian? No. Same deal in my class. Top student in the class is exactly as you describe. Total sleeper that you would never have guessed. Same deal in high school also. The valedictorian was this incredibly ditzy girl (omg like i totally locked myself like out of my car. omg wait here are my keys, omg. oh wait omg those are my house keys, omg guys!!!). Well she scored a 1550 on her sat or something.

or else they cheat. bottom line, just worry about yourself
 
This. And if it helps at all, OP...I've met people who didn't seem to have all that much sharpness on the surface but there are forms of intelligence which don't require great articulation and savvy word play.

Doubtful. The mathematical skills of the people I've known like the OP describes are not that good. Specifically lacking in complex spatial abilities and ability for abstract thinking. Yes, they can solve simple equations rapidly and smoke the math section of SAT. This is because they are good at reading and processing information rapidly and figure out what the problem is. The math on these tests is incredibly simple. These people struggle immensly with subjects like multivariable calculus, vector and complex analysis, computer programming/algorithms, discrete math, statics/dynamics, solid state physics, etc. Tests in these subjects are often open-book or allow for formula sheets and thereby don't require memorization and don't test the ability to crunch down parargraphs quickly.

I have also seen brilliant engineers who can't remember what day of the week it is. It's a different kind of intelligence.
 
Well if they have zero reasoning skills then third year will not go well for them.


However, considering they are a med student they must have done ok on the mcat. You can't make it through that thing without decent reasoning skills.

I suspect they are better at memorizing and prefer it....but when it comes down to it they can do more critical thinking than you would assume.

I disagree. The verbal reasoning tests you critical thinking skills to an extent (more your reading speed and attention), but I dont believe the other sections do to any great extent.
 
I disagree. The verbal reasoning tests you critical thinking skills to an extent (more your reading speed and attention), but I dont believe the other sections do to any great extent.

I was referring to physical science.

If I remember correctly, it definitely required a fair amount of critical thinking.

Memorization wouldn't have gotten you far on that section.
 
I've been waiting a long time for a post like this. Here is my full-proof method of identifying the 90+ test-takers:

1. Collateral information is your number one source. High performers often share their score with at least one person. After that, it's just a matter of time until the right number of students in the class realize he or she is a high scorer. Ask your friends what they have heard about other people in your class. Oftentimes they will even be able to recite scores that they have heard through the grapevine.

2. Observation: You can tell whether someone is scoring high based on the number of hours you see them studying. This may be confounded by whether or not they study publicly or not. Let me also say that when you observe these people studying, make sure they aren't on facebook, texting or goofing around. It is rare to find someone who cranks out 10+ hours of solid, focused work in the library that still doesn't score high. Possible, but rare.

3. Interrogation: Many people are easy to categorize their past performance as being "done with" or "over".. Exams they took a long time ago are often trivialized and made less important in their minds, so this information is easier to elicit compared to newer scores or test performances. And as we know, the best predictor of future performance is past performance. Ask key questions to elicit information from your target. Ask them stuff like "last year was so tough, which test tripped you up the most". No matter what they say, follow up with something like "Oh, sounds like you score pretty well" and then wait. Sometimes they will cough up their precious intel. You could also outright ask them this extremely effective question "who do you think is number one in our class?".

4. Seduction: regardless of their gender, entice them into revealing their supreme performance in the classroom by promising your supreme performance in the bedroom.

5. Sleight of hand: Steal their laptop and read their emails. Try to retrieve score report.

6. Spying: Figure out their parent's phone number and give them a call. Often, top performers will share their success with their parents.

7. Distraction: Take a dead rabbit and stuff it in the target's coat pocket. Once he or she realizes what it is, they'll freak out and quickly take the coat off. When their in the heat of the moment, ask them rapid-fire question as follows: "what happened.....why is there a dead rabbit in your coat pocket.......what's your average overall test score......who put that rabbit there.....what did you get on step 1............omg that's so weird....well see you later". Usually they are so rattled up that they will answer any question you throw at them if they are followed one right after the other.

Okay guys, use this method carefully and wisely!

Thank you, this made my morning.
 
Doubtful. The mathematical skills of the people I've known like the OP describes are not that good. Specifically lacking in complex spatial abilities and ability for abstract thinking. Yes, they can solve simple equations rapidly and smoke the math section of SAT. This is because they are good at reading and processing information rapidly and figure out what the problem is. The math on these tests is incredibly simple. These people struggle immensely with subjects like multivariable calculus, vector and complex analysis, computer programming/algorithms, discrete math, statics/dynamics, solid state physics, etc. Tests in these subjects are often open-book or allow for formula sheets and thereby don't require memorization and don't test the ability to crunch down paragraphs quickly.

I have also seen brilliant engineers who can't remember what day of the week it is. It's a different kind of intelligence.

Did you say "doubtful" and then make exactly the same point?

And yeah, I know math whizzes at MIT who still seem a bit dim on the surface.

And yeah Cassie, that was good. I grinned but there's no like button.
 
Again, one lesson I've learned the hard way. I can't say that I'm not slightly jealous of high marks - few could. But it would only hurt me to get caught up worrying about such things. I'm not saying that she's cut out for medicine. In fact, maybe the opposite, and it's just that medicine didn't require what I originally thought it did.

Well that's a back-handed compliment if I've ever heard one.
 
Upon thinking more about it, I guess it came down to the fact that I sacrificed studying lecture minutiae for nailing down high yield concepts in Pathoma and First Aid, that will hopefully show returns in the form of higher board scores. In exchange, my test grades suffer. But does anybody else feel disgruntled like I do? Maybe this is something I shouldn't give too much thought to. But it really just hit me that you don't have to be that smart to be a doctor. It really just takes hard work.

IMHO, This excuse is typical of students whose egos can't handle the fact that their peers are outperforming them.

You already said you are studying so hard (and perhaps subtly dropping hints in public as to how hard you're studying...) that you've gotten the reputation of being a gunner.

Now you're using the common trope of "oh well I was really studying the high yield material for boards...
 
IMHO, This excuse is typical of students whose egos can't handle the fact that their peers are outperforming them.

You already said you are studying so hard (and perhaps subtly dropping hints in public as to how hard you're studying...) that you've gotten the reputation of being a gunner.

Now you're using the common trope of "oh well I was really studying the high yield material for boards...

All of this. I'm guessing she'll probably do better than he will on the boards, too.
 
yeah op, lower test scores correlate really well with better critical thinking, superior reasoning ability and higher step 1 scores. there's no doubt in my mind that you know and understand all the high yield material way better than your classmates who are only good at memorizing (who needs to remember details anyway?). it's rather obvious that you're better at logical thinking than they are
 
You serious OP? Your response to being average is that the people who score better than you must be less intelligent because you "understand" while they "regurgitate"...?

Been hearing this same bull**** since sophomore year of undergrad, but I didn't realize people with these attitudes made it this far in the process.
 
So, I was "that student". I had classmates who I KNOW for certain thought I was an idiot (usually male). A lot of it is stereotypes. Hair? Make-up? Background? What are your interests? How much research did you do? What do you do with your free time? Do you talk about non-medical related things (if so, you must be a ditz)? What is the tone of your voice? Do you have an accent? Do you wear high heels? All of these play into the stereotypes that people form of us.

Fact of the matter is that we then use these stereotypes to say "well, they may score well on the test, but they're not really that smart." Part of it is a defense mechanism, used particularly by those who are used to having "more power". Classmates (especially male) have said that about me my whole life, while anyone who has ever supervised me EVER has directly refuted that.

My bet is that classmate of yours is going to do just as well in 3rd and 4th year as she has thus far, and is probably going to be an outstanding physician. Meanwhile, you're going to be stuck in 1950 with the attitude that because someone who doesn't "look like" they should be doing well in school then it all must be a sham.

Perhaps one day, ladies, we shall overcome as well?
 
But it really just hit me that you don't have to be that smart to be a doctor. It really just takes hard work.

Strong troll post, however, the fact that becoming a physician has less to do with intelligence and more to do with hard work should have been evident a long time ago.
 
In general...

Grades = (Intelligence x Work)/Difficulty

Some people rely on their intelligence. Some rely on their hard work. Everyone in medical school has a combination of both, or they wouldn't be there.

The types of intelligence that come into play just depend on the type of test and the way the test-writer thinks and/or wants you to think. Debate if you like on the types of intelligence that will lead to success on exams, boards, rotations, or even, you know, your actual career as a physician.

OP, should have left it at being humbled by the fact that this girl who seems 'ditzy' was smoking you on the exams. Never a good idea to judge someone's intelligence by their appearance. Also never a good idea to judge that someone in your medical school class is dumb at all- as they say, if you meet someone at the top of a mountain, you know they didn't fall there.

And note the denominator in that equation. There is literally no shame in being average for your med school class, so the need to justify doing so 'poorly' is misguided. Med school is just hard, and you're not going to perform at the level you did in undergrad without adjusting the numerator. Assuming intelligence is fixed, that means working harder. But there's only so much more you can do before you max out, and the fact is that even if everyone was the top 10% of their undergrad, only 10% of those people can up their game enough to stay on top in med school.
 
Some additional points, since people seem to have ignored parts of my posts, or my later posts entirely.

1. People have made some good points in here. Don't have time to go through and commend them all.
2. I am an average performer on some exams. Those are my lowest grades - I'm near the top of the class on the rest (and have topped the class on a few exams).
3. When speaking of Pathoma and FA, those were my initial thoughts. Since then, even in this thread, I've made others. By paying a bit more attention to lectures in my studying, as well as a few other (school-specific) tweaks here and there, I suspect I'll be knocking on honors door. It's certainly possible to put in a ton of work and do only average, but that's due to more towards your efforts being misguided. As an extreme example - you put in the exact same amount of time as someone who topped the class, but only read First Aid. At this point, I think it's more about refocusing my efforts.
4. When I make my original assessment of my intelligence, it's not about their looks, acting smart, or how they talk. I've long since learned that talking smart doesn't mean jack. It's day to day experiences; out of school experiences and social situations. In addition, ridiculous errors will made, that can not simply be explained away by "they're just learning; or they don't talk smartly". Some of these people will fail to identify basic, obvious structures on a CT ("No, that's not the heart"), and get extremely basic concepts way wrong when explaining it. One girl, and this is an exact quote, asked this question the week before an exam, after 7 weeks of studying. "So like, the heart has like 4 chambers, right?" And somehow she made it through.

Besides, I went on to state that I considered that I just completely misjudged their intelligence in the first place anyway. I'm sure everybody can relate to an apparent "airhead" doing really well in classes. But the difference between great and top of the class performance, at least on our tests, has been whether or not you remember the minute details. Not reasoning, not critical thinking. That caters specifically towards hard work. If your tests are more substantive than that, I'd love to be going to school where you're going.
 
Some additional points, since people seem to have ignored parts of my posts, or my later posts entirely.

1. People have made some good points in here. Don't have time to go through and commend them all.
2. I am an average performer on some exams. Those are my lowest grades - I'm near the top of the class on the rest (and have topped the class on a few exams).
3. When speaking of Pathoma and FA, those were my initial thoughts. Since then, even in this thread, I've made others. By paying a bit more attention to lectures in my studying, as well as a few other (school-specific) tweaks here and there, I suspect I'll be knocking on honors door. It's certainly possible to put in a ton of work and do only average, but that's due to more towards your efforts being misguided. As an extreme example - you put in the exact same amount of time as someone who topped the class, but only read First Aid. At this point, I think it's more about refocusing my efforts.
4. When I make my original assessment of my intelligence, it's not about their looks, acting smart, or how they talk. I've long since learned that talking smart doesn't mean jack. It's day to day experiences; out of school experiences and social situations. In addition, ridiculous errors will made, that can not simply be explained away by "they're just learning; or they don't talk smartly". Some of these people will fail to identify basic, obvious structures on a CT ("No, that's not the heart"), and get extremely basic concepts way wrong when explaining it. One girl, and this is an exact quote, asked this question the week before an exam, after 7 weeks of studying. "So like, the heart has like 4 chambers, right?" And somehow she made it through.

Besides, I went on to state that I considered that I just completely misjudged their intelligence in the first place anyway. I'm sure everybody can relate to an apparent "airhead" doing really well in classes. But the difference between great and top of the class performance, at least on our tests, has been whether or not you remember the minute details. Not reasoning, not critical thinking. That caters specifically towards hard work. If your tests are more substantive than that, I'd love to be going to school where you're going.

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Some additional points, since people seem to have ignored parts of my posts, or my later posts entirely.

I would like to, on behalf of everyone in this thread, express our most sincere apology. :bow:
 
ITT is an OP who is mad a girl who he thought was dumb is doing as well, if not better than he is.
Here's some sound advice for you OP: Stop comparing yourself to your classmates. Focus on doing as well as YOU can and you'll be happier. Most people who habitually compare themselves to others in any aspect of life are generally insecure about themselves.
 
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