Kern/ Southeast MI residency

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does anyone know anything about Kern/ south east michigan surgical hospital residency program? have you all heard any negatives or positives about the program?

- yes i have checked the caspa/aacpm sites.

thanks!
 
The Kern program was once a giant.... it was the first DPM surgical residency program. My clinical dean did his residency there, and so did David G Armstrong and many other well known DPMs. There are many great pods who got their training at Kern. Earl Kaplan was their director, and he - along with maybe McGlamry, Kalish and a few others - are the guys who really helped propel podiatric surgery to where it is today. I think they, among others, were also the ACFAS founders.

Fast forward to today, and I would be a tad wary of it with all the good programs available (assuming you applied yourself in pod school). Gary Kaplan, the current director, is well respected and from what I have seen and heard, and he's trying to do a lot of good vascular stuff there - SilverHawk in particular. They had a couple posters at the conference this past spring, and I also remember that APMA News or one of the other podiatry mags had an article on their PVD research recently.

However, I just finished clerking in Detroit for 2 months (3 area programs), and word around the campfire seems to be that the residents Kern has been taking in recent years may be of vastly different quality as they used to get.... if you catch my drift. Do keep in mind that the applicant pool has been shallow for the programs in recent years... but one of the people who told me this is an (anonymous) person who trained there, so I would tend to believe her. In the end, just like anything else, you have to find out for yourself and make your own decision.

The Michigan programs are an "untapped resource". A resident I met up there said that to me, and I would agree 100%. They have so many DPMs doing great foot surgery and making good $. Sure, there are also many medioicre and a few crummy foot/ankle surgeons in the city also, but that's mostly because those few are using a standard of care that's a decade or more behind the literature. In the end, skills are skills. The thing is that not too many of the programs up there publish a whole lot, so that may be one reason why many Detroit programs fly way under the radar among prospective students. Detroit is a rough city, so that surely plays a role in their lack of also. On the flip side, many of the area programs pay quite well when you consider that cost of living in Michigan is very reasonable.

Oakwood is nearly a West Penn (academics, technique focus, good clinic, etc) in a worse city. At DMC, their trauma and overall numbers will literally rival any of the other PMS36s out there (yes, that means PSL, etc). StJohn North Shores program has great surgical volume, clinic, tradition (ie good jobs in the midwest afterwards). I've also heard great things about Providence and Gensys (sp?) even though I didn't visit them.
 
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The Kern program was once a giant.... it was the first DPM surgical residency program. My clinical dean did his residency there, and so did David G Armstrong and many other well known DPMs. There are many great pods who got their training at Kern. Earl Kaplan was their director, and he - along with maybe McGlamry, Kalish and a few others - are the guys who really helped propel podiatric surgery to where it is today. I think they, among others, were also the ACFAS founders.

Fast forward to today, and I would be a tad wary of it with all the good programs available (assuming you applied yourself in pod school). Gary Kaplan, the current director, is well respected and from what I have seen and heard, and he's trying to do a lot of goot vascular stuff there - SilverHawk in particular. They had a couple posters at the conference this past spring, and I also remember that APMA News or one of the other podiatry mags had an article on their PVD research recently.

However, I just finished clerking in Detroit for 2 months (3 area programs), and word around the campfire seems to be that the residents Kern has been taking in recent years may be of vastly different quality as they used to get.... if you catch my drift. Do keep in mind that the applicant pool has been shallow for the programs in recent years... but one of the people who told me this is an (anonymous) person who trained there, so I would tend to . In the end, you have to find out for yourself.

The Michigan programs are an "untapped resource". A resident I met up there said that to me, and I would agree 100%. They have so many DPMs doing great foot surgery and making good $. Sure, there are many medioicre and a few crummy foot/ankle surgeons in the city also, but that's mostly because they are using a standard of care that's a decade or more behind the literature. In the end, skills are skills. The thing is that not too many of the programs up there publish a whole lot, so that may be one reason why many Detroit programs fly way under the radar among prospective students. Detroit is a rough city, so that surely plays a role in their lack of also. On the flip side, many of the area programs pay quite well when you consider that cost of living in Michigan is very reasonable.

Oakwood is nearly a West Penn (academics, technique focus, good clinic, etc) in a worse city. At DMC, their trauma and overall numbers will literally rival any of the other PMS36s out there (yes, that means PSL, etc). StJohn North Shores program has great surgical volume, clinic, tradition (ie good jobs in the midwest afterwards). I've also heard great things about Providence and Gensys (sp?) even though I didn't visit them.

Is there a Podiatry residency program at henryford hospital,detroit? i did a google search and didnt found anything. is there any?
 
Is there a Podiatry residency program at henryford hospital,detroit? i did a google search and didnt found anything. is there any?
Henry Ford Waynedotte and Macomb both have one. I want to say they each take 2 per year, but you'd have to check the CASPR page. Henry Ford BiCounty is one of Detroit's level 1 trauma centers (they have 4... the city is rough as I posted); I'm sure the pods within the Henry hospital system get their fair share of cases if they network a bit.

http://www.casprcrip.org/html/casprcrip/directory.asp
(then click on "State" to sort the programs by locations)

HF-Macomb is up-and-coming... their director is pretty awesome and was a StJohn NS grad. On my StJohn clerkship, I got to scrub in on a couple cases with him since StJohn covers him at their surg centers. He did a ray resection, and then the other case was a delayed Achilles repair with a FHL biotenodesis and GraftJacket.

HF-Waynedotte is one I don't know much about. They seemed good at our residency fair, but every program puts together a ppt with a few cool pics and looks solid on paper.

Again, many of the Michigan programs offer very solid training. They have been doing pod surgery there for awhile, and a lot of people are breaking bones there... good elective procedure as well... but that's mostly if you get into the suburbs where a much higher % of the population has health insurance.
 
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we just transferred a resident into our program because he wasn't getting any surgical experience there.....😱
 
we just transferred a resident into our program because he wasn't getting any surgical experience there.....😱
Transferred from where? Kern?

I'd be very shocked if you are talking DMC or StJohns; they both do tons of cases. Oakwood also easily covers their numbers... especially RF and trauma.
 
wasn't a DMC resident. We can't cover all our cases.
 
yeah, I thought about going AWOL while I was at West Penn.....and yep he was from Kern😀
 
I have seen very cool stuff, but wow do they work a lot here.

Where all did you go for clerkships when you were 4th yr... Kentucky, PI, West Penn... ???

Three of my classmates are 1st year residents there this year. Tell Dr Heck and Dr Shadrick that I could out surgerize them anyday.
 
I have seen very cool stuff, but wow do they work a lot here.

Where all did you go for clerkships when you were 4th yr... Kentucky, PI, West Penn... ???

Yeah, I went to Louisville, KY (was KPRP, which still exists, but we all moved to Jewish Hospital <Director and all>), PI, West Penn, Washington Hospital Ctr in DC, and Grant in Columbus, OH.
 
Yeah, I went to Louisville, KY (was KPRP, which still exists, but we all moved to Jewish Hospital <Director and all>), PI, West Penn, Washington Hospital Ctr in DC, and Grant in Columbus, OH.

I know this is a little off topic, but I was hoping you could tell me what you know about Grant. I'm very interested in that residency and would appreciate any type of response. Feel free to reply to this topic or PM me. Thanks in advance!
 
I'm just 5hrs away in Pitt... call me, and I can drive back to help out. 😀

On second thought, going AWOL while at West Penn prooobably isn't the best idea ever :laugh:

haha...I'm surprised you got time to breath at West Penn. I haven't been but I heard they keep their students (and certainly residents) really occupied. I spent a month at UPMC and it was incredible. Hated driving in Pittsburgh though - too many bridges, too many ways to get lost lol.

Good luck with your rotation.
 
I know this is a little off topic, but I was hoping you could tell me what you know about Grant. I'm very interested in that residency and would appreciate any type of response. Feel free to reply to this topic or PM me. Thanks in advance!

I haven't been to Grant but I know two people from my class who externed there. They loved it. It is a High-powered program, with alot of rearfoot/ankle surgery. They have very reputable attendings and the quality of training is excellent. The only "draw-back" that I heard from my colleagues was the long hours (which I wouldn't mind because long hours are part of the training)
 
The Kern program was once a giant.... it was the first DPM surgical residency program. My clinical dean did his residency there, and so did David G Armstrong and many other well known DPMs. There are many great pods who got their training at Kern. Earl Kaplan was their director, and he - along with maybe McGlamry, Kalish and a few others - are the guys who really helped propel podiatric surgery to where it is today. I think they, among others, were also the ACFAS founders.

Fast forward to today, and I would be a tad wary of it with all the good programs available (assuming you applied yourself in pod school). Gary Kaplan, the current director, is well respected and from what I have seen and heard, and he's trying to do a lot of good vascular stuff there - SilverHawk in particular. They had a couple posters at the conference this past spring, and I also remember that APMA News or one of the other podiatry mags had an article on their PVD research recently.

However, I just finished clerking in Detroit for 2 months (3 area programs), and word around the campfire seems to be that the residents Kern has been taking in recent years may be of vastly different quality as they used to get.... if you catch my drift. Do keep in mind that the applicant pool has been shallow for the programs in recent years... but one of the people who told me this is an (anonymous) person who trained there, so I would tend to believe her. In the end, just like anything else, you have to find out for yourself and make your own decision.

The Michigan programs are an "untapped resource". A resident I met up there said that to me, and I would agree 100%. They have so many DPMs doing great foot surgery and making good $. Sure, there are also many medioicre and a few crummy foot/ankle surgeons in the city also, but that's mostly because those few are using a standard of care that's a decade or more behind the literature. In the end, skills are skills. The thing is that not too many of the programs up there publish a whole lot, so that may be one reason why many Detroit programs fly way under the radar among prospective students. Detroit is a rough city, so that surely plays a role in their lack of also. On the flip side, many of the area programs pay quite well when you consider that cost of living in Michigan is very reasonable.

Oakwood is nearly a West Penn (academics, technique focus, good clinic, etc) in a worse city. At DMC, their trauma and overall numbers will literally rival any of the other PMS36s out there (yes, that means PSL, etc). StJohn North Shores program has great surgical volume, clinic, tradition (ie good jobs in the midwest afterwards). I've also heard great things about Providence and Gensys (sp?) even though I didn't visit them.

Great post! I am externing at DMC next month and I really look forward to it. I agree with your analysis on the Michigan programs and from what I've seen so far (visiting a few programs and all), you're dead on. The opportunities are great and many places really do offer excellent training. Are you from the Michigan area, Feli?
 
Great post! I am externing at DMC next month and I really look forward to it. I agree with your analysis on the Michigan programs and from what I've seen so far (visiting a few programs and all), you're dead on. The opportunities are great and many places really do offer excellent training. Are you from the Michigan area, Feli?
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