Law: DO can't practice in IL from allo res.

[Dr Fleischman]

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My preceptor this month is a DO, he practices IM/ID. He told me when he was training at an MD program that the law in Illinois was that no DO could practice medicine in Illinois coming from an MD residency program, the reason being that it's "false advertising" because the DO did not practice manipulation.

The doc who told me this trained in the late 90s / early 00s and he said he wasn't sure that law still stood. I tried Googling it and came up with nothing.

Has anyone else heard anything about this? I'm at KCUMB attempting to match into allopathic EM programs, and I'd actually like to be able to practice in Illinois someday, being as it's near my home state of WI.

Thanks to anyone who can fill me in.

Jake

 

[thepoopologist]

Call a current PD of an allopathic EM program in Illinois. Problem solved.



Edit: closest things I could find. Check the site out

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/96/HB/09600HB5308.htm


http://www.ilga.gov/LEGISLATION/ILC...+and+Allopathic+Healthcare+Discrimination+Act

 

[Dr Fleischman]

Call a current PD of an allopathic EM program in Illinois. Problem solved.

Good idea: bother someone at a program I want to get an interview at with a question I could just as simply post on here.

Thanks, Scatman.

 

[thepoopologist]

Good idea: bother someone at a program I want to get an interview at with a question I could just as simply post on here.

Thanks, Scatman.

Yes, because I'm not aware of any US law that requires you to identify yourself completely when you call somebody.

I don't appreciate the sarcasm. I found that Illinois site in about 2 minutes from google. If you want to go the meek, roundabout way and find out from anonymous people from the internet instead of asking that same question to somebody in a position to answer you definitively, then be my guest.

 

[Rollo]

Good idea: bother someone at a program I want to get an interview at with a question I could just as simply post on here.

Thanks, Scatman.

Great idea because there are lot of qualified, experienced Illinois osteopathic physicians who trained in an allopathic residency who post on here.

It would be like asking 5th graders if they think DOs can practice medicine in Egypt.

 

[Dr Fleischman]

It would be like asking 5th graders if they think DOs can practice medicine in Egypt.

Let's take a look at that analogy.

My question was about osteopathic medicine in a US state to people either 1) training to be osteopathic physicians, 2) are osteopathic residents, or 3) are osteopathic attendings.

You're comparing that to asking about osteopathic medicine in a Middle Eastern country to 10/11 year olds . So you're insulting the intelligence of everyone on this site while making yourself look like someone who can't form a proper simile.

And yes, osteopathic physicians do post on this site.

Someone should do a study looking for a correlation between a bad attitude online and a small penis. Lol, that's too immature, I shouldn't say that. I'd actually study for a correlation between acting high and mighty online and actually being very insecure in a real social setting. But whatever, there's people like you two in every forum. Unless you give me a great opportunity to school you again I'm just going to ignore whatever you post from here on out.

Thanks for the links, Scatman. I'll check those out.

Jake

 

[Rollo]

You forgot to add that the people you were asking questions to are either going to an osteopathic medical school in Illinois, doing an allopathic residency in Illinois, or are practicing in Illinois who got their training in an allopathic residency.

Your attitude is a problem. Anyone here can see that clearly from your immature reply to poopologist who gave a perfectly reasonable answer to your question.

And now you resort to personal insults against poopologist who gave you reasonable advice and me for pointing out how unfair you were being towards poopologist with your reply to him.

Yeah....you really did "school" us.

 

[Dr Fleischman]

Mea culpa. I think I was expecting an insulting response from someone. Online forums are full of people who love giving those.

I swear, I'm usually a peacemaker.

I had thought about calling but honestly I thought I'd use the internet first. Since I couldn't find anything on Google I thought I'd ask on here. I don't see how that's a problem.


Rollo: "You forgot to add that the people you were asking questions to are either going to an osteopathic medical school in Illinois, doing an allopathic residency in Illinois, or are practicing in Illinois who got their training in an allopathic residency."

Why would I specify? I was talking about the fact that you were comparing them to 5th graders. It's all good though, you're right. Those are the people I was hoping could answer my question, so thanks.

Jake

 

[DarkHorizon]

My preceptor this month is a DO, he practices IM/ID. He told me when he was training at an MD program that the law in Illinois was that no DO could practice medicine in Illinois coming from an MD residency program, the reason being that it's "false advertising" because the DO did not practice manipulation.

The doc who told me this trained in the late 90s / early 00s and he said he wasn't sure that law still stood. I tried Googling it and came up with nothing.

Has anyone else heard anything about this? I'm at KCUMB attempting to match into allopathic EM programs, and I'd actually like to be able to practice in Illinois someday, being as it's near my home state of WI.

Thanks to anyone who can fill me in.

Jake

Definitely not true... I am from Chicago and I know quite a few practicing DOs who trained at allopathic programs.. IL doesn't even have an osteopathic board and doesn't make a distinction between a medical physician and osteopathic physician like some other states.

 

[aesposito]

Definitely not true... I am from Chicago and I know quite a few practicing DOs who trained at allopathic programs.. IL doesn't even have an osteopathic board and doesn't make a distinction between a medical physician and osteopathic physician like some other states.

Ditto. I have personally worked with three different DO emergency room docs who did residencies at Cook County and Christ Hospital.....neither of which are osteopathic....

A

 

[HCE]

My preceptor this month is a DO, he practices IM/ID. He told me when he was training at an MD program that the law in Illinois was that no DO could practice medicine in Illinois coming from an MD residency program, the reason being that it's "false advertising" because the DO did not practice manipulation.

The doc who told me this trained in the late 90s / early 00s and he said he wasn't sure that law still stood. I tried Googling it and came up with nothing.

Has anyone else heard anything about this? I'm at KCUMB attempting to match into allopathic EM programs, and I'd actually like to be able to practice in Illinois someday, being as it's near my home state of WI.

Thanks to anyone who can fill me in.

Jake

I would call and speak to someone at CCOM, the Chicago Osteopathic school.

 

[meliora27]

I have worked with/known many DO residents who were at an allopathic IM program in Chicago. Many of them are now attendings practicing in IL.

 

[MightyMoose]

Do you think he was talking about the 4 state rule, where if you do your internship at an ACGME-PGY1 site, you need to get AOA approval or you will be unable to practice in Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, or Oklahoma? It doesn't include Illinois, but previously included West Virginia and was known as the five state rule. To circumvent this you need to apply for Resolution 42, which is a way for the AOA to approve the ACGME residency location, otherwise you will only have full practice rights in 46 rather than 50 states. It is possible he heard about this and thought Illinois was one of the states.

That's my guess.

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[JaggerPlate]

Why is this even being discussed? Chi-land/IL is a pretty DO populated area. This is just some type of miscommunication/misinterpretation ... nothing more.

 

[BobBarker]

Again, scratch Oklahoma from that list. Any DO who completes ANY allopathic residency requires nothing from the AOA to practice in OK.

 

[MightyMoose]

Again, scratch Oklahoma from that list. Any DO who completes ANY allopathic residency requires nothing from the AOA to practice in OK.

But who really wants to practice in Oklahoma anyway?


I was just posting directly from Resolution 42. I'm sure you are right about Oklahoma, but until it's officially removed from the list, I think it's better to inform people that it is included in the list.

 

[BobBarker]

But who really wants to practice in Oklahoma anyway?


I was just posting directly from Resolution 42. I'm sure you are right about Oklahoma, but until it's officially removed from the list, I think it's better to inform people that it is included in the list.

Oklahoma has one of the lowest costs of living in the country. It also has perhaps the highest physician salaries in the country.

 

[MightyMoose]

Oklahoma has one of the lowest costs of living in the country. It also has perhaps the highest physician salaries in the country.

But it's Oklahoma, Bob... Oklahoma...

 

[BobBarker]

Have you been before? The weather is pretty nice and you can make enough money and land is cheap enough you can build whatever you need to be happy.

 

[MightyMoose]

Have you been before? The weather is pretty nice and you can make enough money and land is cheap enough you can build whatever you need to be happy.

I'm just kidding. No, I haven't been there, but I am sure it is a nice place. I have a buddy working out there now and he seems to really like it.

 

[danimjo]

Another great resource for any questions about the legality of DO's practicing anywhere in the country is the Osteopathic Physicians and Surgeons of California, they are one of the most pro-osteopathic advocacy groups in the country. And although they specialize on fighting for the rights of DO's practicing in California they are very, very well-versed on all laws concerning DO's and very happy to answer any questions.

http://www.opsc.org/

 

[JaggerPlate]

Oklahoma has one of the lowest costs of living in the country. It also has perhaps the highest physician salaries in the country.

Have you been before? The weather is pretty nice and you can make enough money and land is cheap enough you can build whatever you need to be happy.

but isn't this 'where the wind comes sweeeeping down the plains!' Is this something I'd have to worry about???

 

[jphwki82]

Have you been before? The weather is pretty nice and you can make enough money and land is cheap enough you can build whatever you need to be happy.

Just wanted to say I love the screen name and avatar. P.S. Bob - Don't forget to spay and neuter your pets! J/K

 

[Dr Fleischman]

My preceptor did say Illinois, but he was wrong. I have talked to some people outside of this site and on this site who have all confirmed it.

I'm not familiar with this 4 state rule...hmm. I just don't want any doors closed because I chose to treat the whole patient. 🙂

Jake