It seems many/most private schools are nearing the $50 k/year mark https://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/report.cfm?select_control=PRI&year_of_study=2014
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It seems many/most private schools are nearing the $50 k/year mark https://services.aamc.org/tsfreports/report.cfm?select_control=PRI&year_of_study=2014
Wow.
According to that graph there are now 14 private med schools that charge over 55K per year in tuition and fees.
Also, the OOS tuition and fees for some public schools are even higher than Tufts.
The highest:
South Carolina OOS = 82K
Illinois OOS = 75K
Central Michigan OOS = 71K
FIU OOS = 71K
Nebraska OOS = 70K
NE Ohio OOS = 70K
Tennessee OOS = 68K
South Dakota OOS = 66K
Wayne State OOS = 66K
Colorado OOS = 65K
FAU OOS = 65K
Toledo OOS = 65K
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Tufts = 60K
According to that graph there are now 14 private med schools that charge over 55K per year in tuition and fees.
Also, the OOS tuition and fees for some public schools are even higher than Tufts.
The highest:
South Carolina OOS = 82K
Illinois OOS = 75K
Central Michigan OOS = 71K
FIU OOS = 71K
Nebraska OOS = 70K
NE Ohio OOS = 70K
Tennessee OOS = 68K
South Dakota OOS = 66K
Wayne State OOS = 66K
Colorado OOS = 65K
FAU OOS = 65K
Toledo OOS = 65K
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Tufts = 60K
Jesus what are they using all that money for? To buy simulators and pay off crappy standardized patients?
More like administration salaries, bc some of those med schools are true **** holes.
Bumping the thread...
I am thinking about leaving after MS2... I struggled during MS1 with the material and started MS2 about 2 months ago, and my resolution for MS2 was to perform above average. I have been studying a lot, but I still perform consistently a little below average after multiple exams... I don't think I am cut out to be a physician and English being my third language has make things more difficult in term of dealing with these long NBME vignettes...
I have already contacted a few PA schools and I found one that will accept me... Basically, they won't let me repeat basic science as long as I pass step 1... So I will finish MS2 and then will spend 1 year doing rotation in that PA program to be able sit for the PA licensure exam...
Basically, there are other options for people who are thinking about quitting...
I am thinking about leaving after MS2... I struggled during MS1 with the material and started MS2 about 2 months ago, and my resolution for MS2 was to perform above average. I have been studying a lot, but I still perform consistently a little below average after multiple exams... I don't think I am cut out to be a physician and English being my third language has make things more difficult in term of dealing with these long NBME vignettes...
I have already contacted a few PA schools and I found one that will accept me... Basically, they won't let me repeat basic science as long as I pass step 1... So I will finish MS2 and then will spend 1 year doing rotation in that PA program to be able sit for the PA licensure exam...
Basically, there are other options for people who are thinking about quitting...
As much as I hate the idea of convincing someone to become a doctor, I think it's important that you think through this from all angles. Passing is sufficient to become a doctor. By definition the bottom 1 percentile of the graduating class is deemed competent and allowed to be a physician. Slightly below average in medical school is no small accomplishment.
Flip side: two years of med school (after M2) and 3 years of residency to be a PCP vs 1 year of PA school to do similar (albeit different enough) work for a little over half the pay? Only you can decide what trade offs make sense to you.
I don't know why you have been so hostile to me or to my posts... You would understand if you were in my position... For instance, if your next exam is in 2 weeks and you've been studying 10+ hrs/days for 2 weeks until the day of you exam, you would at least want to score above average. Anyway, you probably won't get it!
I am not 100% sure about leaving yet... Right now it's 50/50 and I bumped this thread because I wanted other US students to know there is this option available to them if they are thinking about leaving med school.
W19, there are people I've met putting in similar hours just to pass. Stop obsessing over the class average and start comparing you to your previous bests. Find ways to be more efficient, incorporate long term retention, do some board question etc and just keep bettering your learning and move forward. If you drop out because you're that neurotic about being below average... Then it is absolutely time to reevaluate your priorities and the way you see yourself and the world because it isn't healthy and will eat you alive in the long run.
Obviously not at your level, but I can't imagine that pre-clinicals and clinicals feel the same. I'd probably bow to your expertise re clinical stuff.
Maybe study 8 hrs a day. Work out an hour a day and have fun an hour a day. You might keep scoring a little below average, but you'll probably be happier.
I gave myself a free pass for our first block of MS1 to fall into the swing of things. I mean, I'm stressed because I have a final tomorrow and I feel like I'm incredibly unprepared, but I'm just hoping to pass this block and pull it together after that re:study habits. I had an interesting first month of school too but I digress.
Just because you're not going to score above average doesn't mean that you're not cut out to be a physician. You need to temper your expectations. Yeah, you might not match derm or ortho. But so what?
You're doing pretty alright as far as med school goes. What you're not doing alright with is your quality of life. Yeah sure, some weeks will probably suck, but it sounds like you're making yourself miserable all the damn time.
I'm sorry but this makes ZERO sense. By very definition, 50% of your class is going to be "below average." Do you really believe that that entire half of your class should quit medicine? Of course, if they did quit this would not solve the problem, since you would just create a NEW bottom 50% from the remaining students (math is a magical thing). I know it's hard to come to terms with the fact that we can't all be the best, but you are in a field with many intelligent and ambitious individuals--there is nothing shameful about being "average" or even "slightly below average" among this group.
If you have decided you don't like medicine or don't want to be a physician, that's fine, but quitting ONLY because you are scoring a couple points below average on your exams is, quite frankly, absurd.
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I gotta agree
W19, you are whining about sitting the bench in the nfl and thinking about doengrading to the canadian football league
Ranger up and soldier on or ring the bell already (mixed military metaphor)
Er. The median tuition for US med schools is 51,000...
I think you should probably look into visiting social support services at your school rather than make a big mistake and drop out, also there are serious financial consequences of leaving medical school without a degree.
Just guessing, but I'm sure OP is either a resident now or long gone from medicine.
Oh just looked at the date, who knows. Hope whoever he or she is, they are doing okay.
Not trying to sound like a douche, but that comes across as extremely entitled to me. Just because you put the work in doesn't mean you deserve to be given anything, that's how life goes. The last 3-4 sections I've been studying 12-14 hours per day just to get by and even ended up having to remediate a course. Granted, I've been dealing with some outside issues, but I don't think I deserve an A or even to be average just because I study. Wanting to do well is fine, but being unable to deal with something as minor as being average is something you're going to have to address going forward otherwise this profession really isn't for you.
That post was over 6 years old, though 50k still wasn't all that obscene for private schools then.
The point isn't that they feel the same, the point is that they each can really suck in their own way. Depending on your attitude, perspective, and individual preferences you can find plenty to hate and plenty to love in both the preclinical and clinical years. Someone who hates medicine and/or is always sacrificing the present in the hopes of a better future will likely be miserable throughout the training process.
I doubt it was that high 6 years ago.
Also, I think @W19 should probably stay off SDN, as it's making him neurotic as hell. If you're an avid reader of SDN, you'd think that a person scoring below average on med school exams might as well be giving IV boluses of KCl to patients.
The tuition has risen a bit, but I really doubt that 50K would have been considered completely off the wall just 6 years ago. Unless that post was made in 1972, it is not really accurate.
Good news!
@NontradCA I did really well in the last few exams (4)... top 1/3 in all of them... I probably have found a method that works well for me... I have a few coming up at the end of this month... Lets see if I can keep the momentum...
@NontradCA I did really well in the last few exams (4)... top 1/3 in all of them... I probably have found a method that works well for me... I have a few coming up at the end of this month... Lets see if I can keep the momentum...
Good news!
@NontradCA I did really well in the last few exams (4)... top 1/3 in all of them... I probably have found a method that works well for me... I have a few coming up at the end of this month... Lets see if I can keep the momentum...
@NontradCA I did really well in the last few exams (4)... top 1/3 in all of them... I probably have found a method that works well for me... I have a few coming up at the end of this month... Lets see if I can keep the momentum...
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Can't wait for it to be over!
I realize this is an old post but I had to mention this. Part of being successful is not only thinking about the long term but being able to embrace what lies immediately ahead, good or bad. If someone doesn't have the willpower to get through M1, they should cut their losses immediately before their financial futures are ruined. "Don't worry about hating the cooking utensils, once you become a chef with your own restaurant, life will be grand." or "Are you willing to learn how to use the cooking utensils to be the chef you always wanted to become?" or "Do you want to become a chef or not?"
What is so bad about being a pcp? There are pcp jobs everywhere so you can live anywhere you want. As long as you are in allo school, you wont be forced to live in crappy places.
Pcps dont work a lot while they make enough so that they can live comfortably with lexus or bmws.
Making a lot of money as physicians is only good for your spouse and kids.
Pcps dont work a lot while they make enough so that they can live comfortably with lexus or bmws.
Making a lot of money as physicians is only good for your spouse and kids.
I realize this is like necroposted from years ago but this is the dumbest kool-aid drinking BS I've ever read.
I read it as sarcasm
I couldn't tell you. Middle of second year and I haven't been miserable yet. Love medical school, love medicine. If you can't find the motivation or desire to do this there are tons of awesome things to dedicate your life to. Be happy in what you do.
EDIT: dangit, I got suckered by a necrobump. Now I feel stupid
