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My roommate goes to the DO school there. He said it's pretty relaxed, though Bradenton doesn't have a whole lot to offer.

Probably will take classes with the DO kids and PBL. Once the building is opened, they will have own clinics but prior to that if the clinics aren't ready in time students will likely have to go to community/private dental offices.

IMO if you are a FL resident you should shoot for UF or Nova. Expect a lot of people to apply, I think this is probably more attractive for the national pre-dent pool than USN was when it opened.
 
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I went to LECOM's first preview day for the dental school opening next summer. Some highlights:
-100 students per class
-PBL (problem-based learning) curriculum with some lectures (it looks like most lectures take place in the simulation clinic)
-1,834 clock hours of patient care by end of 3rd year
-1,680 clock hours of patient care in 4th year. This is a whole-year rotation at a clinic poviding services in underserved communities (not in Bradenton)
-students work as a dental assistant during their first year (1/2 a day, one day a week)
-20-8-20 week semesters (SP, SU, FA)
1st PBL is with medical students (I don't remember if Gross Anatomy is with medical students, too), medical school dress code will be observed for dental students while in the medical school
-55 chairs in the simulation clinic
-125 operatories

Everybody at the school was extremely nice and accomodating, answering every question asked. They even allowed some students to stay and ask questions about admissions privately. They did stress, however, that the PBL style of learning is not for everybody and the school might not be a fit for some students. I even got to speak with a medical student for a few minutes who was more than satisfied with the education he was receiving at LECOM.

Hope that helps anybody who's considering applying to LECOM 🙂
 
-It is taking 100 students
-It will be LECOM's first dental school (their med/DO programs are highly rated)

Read about the town (close to the beach!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradenton,_Florida


Their DO Program is about the worst in the country. It is not highly rated. It is one of, if not the easiest school to get into. It is far easier to get in than most dental schools. Both people I know who go there only went because it was the only med school they got in. Both hate it.

It sounds so backwards, straight out of the 70's. Behind technologically, behind academically, sounds behind socially. They have to wear a tie every day, can't have food or water during the 6+ hour lectures, their internet use is monitored, there are hidden cameras everywhere, they will discipline you for using your freedom of speech in private emails, it sounds insane. Not to mention their rotations are a mess.

This is the Erie campus that I have specific knowledge on, but I know I want nothing to do with LECOM or any of it's schools.
 
Just thinking outside of the box....

Did the video say population of that city being 55-60k? Someone should do a private dentistry look up to see how many GPs are around that area.

If its saturated, the school's dental clinic might not get enough patients and the students could struggle to meet their minimum requirements.
 
I went to LECOM's first preview day for the dental school opening next summer. Some highlights:
-100 students per class
-PBL (problem-based learning) curriculum with some lectures (it looks like most lectures take place in the simulation clinic)
-1,834 clock hours of patient care by end of 3rd year
-1,680 clock hours of patient care in 4th year. This is a whole-year rotation at a clinic poviding services in underserved communities (not in Bradenton)
-students work as a dental assistant during their first year (1/2 a day, one day a week)
-20-8-20 week semesters (SP, SU, FA)
1st PBL is with medical students (I don't remember if Gross Anatomy is with medical students, too), medical school dress code will be observed for dental students while in the medical school
-55 chairs in the simulation clinic
-125 operatories

This is what concerns me. What does the other half of the class do when they don't have access to a chair in the sim clinic? In my first two years of dental school, I never once needed or wanted an assistant in the sim clinic - so surely it's not that. I'm pretty sure I would have had a problem with my sim clinic time being cut in half...
 
What exactly is problem-based learning? Could someone be kind enough to elaborate?
 
This is pure BS. Other concerns seem legit. I have spoken with many Do students and DO's at my school about programs. They speak very highly of one of the oldest DO program in the country: LECOM.

Their DO Program is about the worst in the country. It is not highly rated. It is one of, if not the easiest school to get into. It is far easier to get in than most dental schools. Both people I know who go there only went because it was the only med school they got in. Both hate it.

It sounds so backwards, straight out of the 70's. Behind technologically, behind academically, sounds behind socially. They have to wear a tie every day, can't have food or water during the 6+ hour lectures, their internet use is monitored, there are hidden cameras everywhere, they will discipline you for using your freedom of speech in private emails, it sounds insane. Not to mention their rotations are a mess.

This is the Erie campus that I have specific knowledge on, but I know I want nothing to do with LECOM or any of it's schools.
 
What exactly is problem-based learning? Could someone be kind enough to elaborate?

I have some friends @ LECOM Bradenton in the DO program. Problem based learning is essentially learning through case study. Imagine if you took your med school exams based upon around a set of cases that you and a group of 8-10 of your classmates had to diagnose and work through. It pretty much that, plus since there are around8 groups of 8-10 students each group had a custom exam based upon what they felt was the most relevant info for the case. In addition to a hundred or so generalized questions common to all persons in the class.
 
Does PBL give traditional text book materails to read on your own?

I took a grad-school cellular biology course (distance ed) which required about 45 pages/night of reading and retention. I learned more in that class than any other class i've taken in college even though it was self study. I think I could do well in PBL if they give texts for courses and reading assignments.





I have some friends @ LECOM Bradenton in the DO program. Problem based learning is essentially learning through case study. Imagine if you took your med school exams based upon around a set of cases that you and a group of 8-10 of your classmates had to diagnose and work through. It pretty much that, plus since there are around8 groups of 8-10 students each group had a custom exam based upon what they felt was the most relevant info for the case. In addition to a hundred or so generalized questions common to all persons in the class.
 
Does PBL give traditional text book materails to read on your own?

I took a grad-school cellular biology course (distance ed) which required about 45 pages/night of reading and retention. I learned more in that class than any other class i've taken in college even though it was self study. I think I could do well in PBL if they give texts for courses and reading assignments.

They do, they do. Yes, there are assigned textbooks as well as power point slides. Plus, when you actually meet up as a group to discuss your findings, a faculty member or professor is a part of your group to act as adviser and mentor.
 
This is pure BS. Other concerns seem legit. I have spoken with many Do students and DO's at my school about programs. They speak very highly of one of the oldest DO program in the country: LECOM.

So DO's at your school know more about LECOM than people that go there?

Exactly what of what I posted is BS?
 
PBL is a waste of time because you're only as productive as your group is. I hated it at my school and would never go to a pbl d-school. but if you like that type of learning, go ahead.
 
PBL is a waste of time because you're only as productive as your group is. I hated it at my school and would never go to a pbl d-school. but if you like that type of learning, go ahead.

I've never experienced PDL (educationally) but... I worked in I.T for 4 years, everything you do in the industry is PDL.

But I believe on the professional level, everyone does their part. Sure there are some who are naturally faster/better analyzers of data and will contribute more to the group but... overall, EVERYONE contributes.
 
This is what concerns me. What does the other half of the class do when they don't have access to a chair in the sim clinic? In my first two years of dental school, I never once needed or wanted an assistant in the sim clinic - so surely it's not that. I'm pretty sure I would have had a problem with my sim clinic time being cut in half...

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But I believe on the professional level, everyone does their part. Sure there are some who are naturally faster/better analyzers of data and will contribute more to the group but... overall, EVERYONE contributes.

In an ideal world, this would be the case. We don't do PBL at my school, but in the group projects we have had I can tell you that this is not the case. There will always be people who will slack off when given any sort of opportunity to do so. This rings especially true for the groups who have several of the aforementioned people who are naturally faster/better analyzers of data. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt though and say maybe that has just been my experience.
 
most of the new dental schools opening up are associated with DO schools and will be farming out the students to local clinics. this scares me because it seems like an impossible task to try and get all the students taught at the same level if they are at dental offices scattered throughout the county. the administration at my school are also very worried about these schools and the quality of practicioner they will put out.
 
Well harvard is PBL and no one bashes that school. USC is PBL and everyone bashes it. Basically it depends on the school and the type of students that are admitted. The more motivated students are, the better chance of you actually learning something.

In fact, PBL does work if most of your members are engaged in the learning process. When it fails is when people don't give a crap and slack off. It's very easy to get through d-school learning through PBL. I much prefer it because it simply eliminates the necessity to go to class and memorize power point slides. You sort of get screwed on preparing for part 1 though but now that it's pass/fail, who cares??!!?

PBL is the future of d-schools
 
This is what concerns me. What does the other half of the class do when they don't have access to a chair in the sim clinic? In my first two years of dental school, I never once needed or wanted an assistant in the sim clinic - so surely it's not that. I'm pretty sure I would have had a problem with my sim clinic time being cut in half...

There will probably be an AM/PM sim lab schedule. My school already does this even though there are enough seats for everyone. When half the class is in Sim Lab, the other half is probably in PBL session.
 
Students are going to be grouped into 2 groups - A & B - there will be scheduled times for each group in the sim clinic. The schedule they gave at the preview day had one group in the morning for four hours and the other in the afternoon. It seemed like a morning or afternoon schedule. They said students from either group will be allowed in the sim clinic whenever the other group of students wasn't scheduled.

And for those concerned about the PBL groups - they said you change PBL groups every semester and if you had any problems with a group member during the semester it would be dealt with.

I'd still encourage everybody to check the school out. I'd love the opportunity to go to dental school next to one of the most beautiful beaches in Florida 🙂
 
Hello all,

I'm currently a 4th year medical student at LECOM in Bradenton. Please let me assure you that I've had a great time here so far. Actually, I don't know who said that we are the "worst DO school," but I couldn't disagree more! The facts speak for themselves really: for three years in a row we've had a 100% pass rate on the boards. I'm fairly certain that would qualify us among the best, not the worst. Additionally, having spoken to folks on the admission committee, I was assured that they have turned many applicants down with mcat scores in the 30s. They are more interested if you fit the demographic that would work well in PBL (work well with others, very independent, non-overbearing, etc.), not necessarily your scores.

I'm sure every school has folks that go there and "hate it," but I know very few people that don't care for the school. And those that do seem to have unfounded reasons. I'm not sure why dressing up every day is considered old-fashioned, but let me tell you something: you are going to professional school. I think it's great to be surrounded by an environment that prepares you for how you should conduct yourself (now and in the future). Yeah, the no drinks thing in lecture is annoying, but it's really not that difficult.

As for PBL--I'll say this. You really must be cut out for it! I would highly recommend you consider PBL if these describe you: independent, motivated, un-easily side-tracked, you do not learn by sitting in lectures/powerpoints, you learn best on your own (i.e.: reading). I don't recommend PBL if you need information spoon-fed to you, lectures are essential to your learning, or need a highly-structured schedule of study (or if you do, you'll have to make that up yourself). For me, PBL's the reason I came to LECOM Bradenton (and yes, one of the top beaches in the US is 20 min away). I learn best studying on my own and get very little out of lecture other than the first 5 minutes. I feel PBL made me an active-learner and it's paid off in my clinical years. Oh, and the group setting is nice because it means you have to be able to explain concepts to others, which is good because if you can't it lets you know you need to polish up on that subject matter. Conversely, if there's something you don't understand, sometimes it helps having someone else explain it to you. I know there's the concern that other group members will be strong and others will sit back and not participate as much. My advise: don't worry about the ones who will sit there on cruise-control (and every group has their member). The person(s) who don't participate aren't hurting the group, they are just hurting themselves. Let them be, and move on.

All in all, I recommend it and really couldn't have asked for anything better, but understand it's not for everyone. I just had to chime in here because we work very hard at LECOM for someone to call it second rate. Is it Harvard? Obviously, no. Will we make highly skilled and professional physicians? Absolutely, but it takes effort on your part, just like anything else.
 
Hello all,

I'm currently a 4th year medical student at LECOM in Bradenton. Please let me assure you that I've had a great time here so far. Actually, I don't know who said that we are the "worst DO school," but I couldn't disagree more! The facts speak for themselves really: for three years in a row we've had a 100% pass rate on the boards. I'm fairly certain that would qualify us among the best, not the worst. Additionally, having spoken to folks on the admission committee, I was assured that they have turned many applicants down with mcat scores in the 30s. They are more interested if you fit the demographic that would work well in PBL (work well with others, very independent, non-overbearing, etc.), not necessarily your scores.

I'm sure every school has folks that go there and "hate it," but I know very few people that don't care for the school. And those that do seem to have unfounded reasons. I'm not sure why dressing up every day is considered old-fashioned, but let me tell you something: you are going to professional school. I think it's great to be surrounded by an environment that prepares you for how you should conduct yourself (now and in the future). Yeah, the no drinks thing in lecture is annoying, but it's really not that difficult.

As for PBL--I'll say this. You really must be cut out for it! I would highly recommend you consider PBL if these describe you: independent, motivated, un-easily side-tracked, you do not learn by sitting in lectures/powerpoints, you learn best on your own (i.e.: reading). I don't recommend PBL if you need information spoon-fed to you, lectures are essential to your learning, or need a highly-structured schedule of study (or if you do, you'll have to make that up yourself). For me, PBL's the reason I came to LECOM Bradenton (and yes, one of the top beaches in the US is 20 min away). I learn best studying on my own and get very little out of lecture other than the first 5 minutes. I feel PBL made me an active-learner and it's paid off in my clinical years. Oh, and the group setting is nice because it means you have to be able to explain concepts to others, which is good because if you can't it lets you know you need to polish up on that subject matter. Conversely, if there's something you don't understand, sometimes it helps having someone else explain it to you. I know there's the concern that other group members will be strong and others will sit back and not participate as much. My advise: don't worry about the ones who will sit there on cruise-control (and every group has their member). The person(s) who don't participate aren't hurting the group, they are just hurting themselves. Let them be, and move on.

All in all, I recommend it and really couldn't have asked for anything better, but understand it's not for everyone. I just had to chime in here because we work very hard at LECOM for someone to call it second rate. Is it Harvard? Obviously, no. Will we make highly skilled and professional physicians? Absolutely, but it takes effort on your part, just like anything else.

very nice and humble break down 👍

By the way, "Dr Jan Itor" is the sweetest name :laugh:
God I miss scrubs
 
Dr. Jan Itor,

As I was only passing on information heard from two friends that go to the Erie Campus and have not experienced LECOM personally, I regret what I posted previously and wish I could delete it. Please accept my apologies to you and your school. I am glad you have found a school you enjoy.
 
You should apply to LECOM for no other reason than because it's new with (probably) lower admission standards and has a good reputation in all the other health professions. Good location is arguable but you can decide.
 
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