LECOM-Erie vs CCOM

[Dyerseve30]

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I absolutely loved CCOM during my interview and had all intentions to go there, but I just got accepted to LECOM Erie (LDP pathway). I want to go to CCOM, but LECOM's cheap tuition is too good to pass up. To be honest, CCOM's tuition is crazy expensive. The only reason why I would pick LECOM is tuition, however I think that's a legit reason. Many doctors I've talked to said "go to the cheapest school". So idk. Would you go to a school based just on tuition? (Mind you that LECOM's tuition is about half as much as CCOM) I literally don't know what to do, and I have less than two weeks to decide. Any thoughts?

I know there are other threads but they are all out of date. Many things have happened to both schools since 2010.

 

[group_theory]

Moving to Pre-Osteo

 

[drshark]

I spoke to a Doc who graduated from LECOM, she loved it and said wonderful things about it. It is much cheaper, but what is your end goal? Depending on what specialty you are interested, maybe CCOM has better matches for more competitive residencies.. I'll let someone else more knowledgable on CCOM answer that though.

 

[GypsyHummus]

I absolutely loved CCOM during my interview and had all intentions to go there, but I just got accepted to LECOM Erie (LDP pathway). I want to go to CCOM, but LECOM's cheap tuition is too good to pass up. To be honest, CCOM's tuition is crazy expensive. The only reason why I would pick LECOM is tuition, however I think that's a legit reason. Many doctors I've talked to said "go to the cheapest school". So idk. Would you go to a school based just on tuition? (Mind you that LECOM's tuition is about half as much as CCOM) I literally don't know what to do, and I have less than two weeks to decide. Any thoughts?

I know there are other threads but they are all out of date. Many things have happened to both schools since 2010.

Isnt CCOM like 24K more expensive every year, not including cost of living? thats almost a 100K difference not including interest.

Go to Lecom, buy yourself a nice car or house with the money would would have spent at CCOM.

 

[DrMeows]

That's a VERY large difference in money. I was going through the same battle in my head when I interviewed for Midwestern's AZCOM and LECOM-Bradenton (the sister schools to your little dilemma 😀 ). But I ended up getting accepted somewhere better than both of those schools to me, so fortunately didn't have to make the decision.

But seriously, 100k saved in tuition, an apartment is almost 2x as much in DG, plus interest. Someone told me for every 1 dollar you spend, you pay 3 back in loans. You do the math!

 

[HalfListic]

I thought we moved these to the school specific threads...

 

[as1212559]

If you want to do something really competitive: CCOM
Anything else: LECOM

Midwesterns are just too expensive. Even OoS state schools (barring MSU) are ~15k cheaper a year. And as someone mentioned, Erie is going to be a lot cheaper to live in probably. Both places will be cold. Erie will be extremely snowy.

 

[MedPR]

I thought we moved these to the school specific threads...

Only preallo/allo mods move inappropriately placed threads. Preosteo is littered with school specific threads.

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[Ravizzle]

Only preallo/allo mods move inappropriately placed threads. Preosteo is littered with school specific threads.

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That's because the mods here take a more "holistic" approach to moving threads...

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[MedPR]

That's because the mods here take a more "holistic" approach to moving threads...

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Hahahahaha post of the year.

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[GypsyHummus]

If you want to do something really competitive: CCOM
Anything else: LECOM

Midwesterns are just too expensive. Even OoS state schools (barring MSU) are ~15k cheaper a year. And as someone mentioned, Erie is going to be a lot cheaper to live in probably. Both places will be cold. Erie will be extremely snowy.

Would CCOM really be worth shelling out all that money? Does it really help with competitive residencies, sincere question. I would think that who you know and scores matter most for residencies.

 

[BabyDoc86]

If you want to do something really competitive: CCOM
Anything else: LECOM

Midwesterns are just too expensive. Even OoS state schools (barring MSU) are ~15k cheaper a year. And as someone mentioned, Erie is going to be a lot cheaper to live in probably. Both places will be cold. Erie will be extremely snowy.

I absolutely hated Erie though; no amount of $ is worth it if you are miserable.

 

[Dyerseve30]

If you want to do something really competitive: CCOM
Anything else: LECOM

Midwesterns are just too expensive. Even OoS state schools (barring MSU) are ~15k cheaper a year. And as someone mentioned, Erie is going to be a lot cheaper to live in probably. Both places will be cold. Erie will be extremely snowy.

Is this true? Anesthesiology and Emergency Medicine seem very interesting to me. Is it worth $100,000+ to ensure a good residency in these? I thought it was more on the individual and not so much the school when it comes to residency.

 

[DrMeows]

Is this true? Anesthesiology and Emergency Medicine seem very interesting to me. Is it worth $100,000+ to ensure a good residency in these? I thought it was more on the individual and not so much the school when it comes to residency.

No. As someone who knows a lot about both schools, CCOM rotations > LECOM rotations. Hands. Down.

But it's your board scores and audition rotations that matter (not necessarily the rotations you are assigned by the school). Both schools give you the opportunity and the guidance to do well on your boards and give you elective opportunities. I wouldn't take that comment to heart.

 

[angldrps]

That's a VERY large difference in money. I was going through the same battle in my head when I interviewed for Midwestern's AZCOM and LECOM-Bradenton (the sister schools to your little dilemma 😀 ). But I ended up getting accepted somewhere better than both of those schools to me, so fortunately didn't have to make the decision.

But seriously, 100k saved in tuition, an apartment is almost 2x as much in DG, plus interest. Someone told me for every 1 dollar you spend, you pay 3 back in loans. You do the math!

Is Marian that lucky school, DrMeows?

 

[angldrps]

No. As someone who knows a lot about both schools, CCOM rotations > LECOM rotations. Hands. Down.

But it's your board scores and audition rotations that matter (not necessarily the rotations you are assigned by the school). Both schools give you the opportunity and the guidance to do well on your boards and give you elective opportunities. I wouldn't take that comment to heart.

👍. Where students end up matching has more to do with their own individual performance on boards, clinical grades, LORs than it does on the school they go to. I am personally giving up two acceptances close to home, where I would ideally like to stay, because of the significant cost difference among some other factors. Don't want to be a slave to debt longer than I have to be.

 

[drshark]

Is this true? Anesthesiology and Emergency Medicine seem very interesting to me. Is it worth $100,000+ to ensure a good residency in these? I thought it was more on the individual and not so much the school when it comes to residency.

The LECOM doc i spoke to is an emergency medicine, those aren't competitive residencies. I think in this case the cheaper school would be a better option.

 

[MedPR]

The LECOM doc i spoke to is an emergency medicine, those aren't competitive residencies. I think in this case the cheaper school would be a better option.

Well I've heard EM is becoming more and more popular. By the time we are applying it might be moderately competitive. Dunno though.

 

[as1212559]

I rescind my previous comment, OP.

Come to think of it I knew an ER doc out of LECOM that did his residency at cook county in Chicago, which I would imagine is pretty desirable? He was an excellent doctor too in my worthless pre-med opinion, very bright guy. So yeah I guess my comment doesn't stand up to any sort of test, it's down to you the student. I would personally go with LECOM if I were you, based on what you have said. CCOM is very expensive to justify it for better rotations and not being in Erie, especially if you didn't mind Erie.

 

[HockeyDr09]

If you want to do something really competitive: CCOM
Anything else: LECOM

Midwesterns are just too expensive. Even OoS state schools (barring MSU) are ~15k cheaper a year. And as someone mentioned, Erie is going to be a lot cheaper to live in probably. Both places will be cold. Erie will be extremely snowy.

CCOM has an excellent reputation, but I wouldn't necessarily say they give you a better opportunity at competitive specialties. LECOM's OPTI (Residency programs created/supported by lecom) is getting enormous and has created residencies in Derm, Gas, ENT, Ortho, Surg, Endo (fellowship), Cards (fellowship), and optho all in the past 2 years. I'll be rotating at a location that is opening new derm/endo/cards/surg slots next year 😀. Once again I think CCOM is an awesome school, but I wouldn't say you'd be necessarily better off there for competitive residencies.

Is this true? Anesthesiology and Emergency Medicine seem very interesting to me. Is it worth $100,000+ to ensure a good residency in these? I thought it was more on the individual and not so much the school when it comes to residency.

EM is definitely getting more competitive, I can say that.

 

[DrMeows]

Is Marian that lucky school, DrMeows?

It is 🙂 Nothing against AZCOM or LECOM-B because both schools were great, but if I had to choose I'd prefer to not have to deal with the price of AZCOM or switch to PBL for LECOM-B (I know myself, lectures are for me), especially when I'm not from either region. Marian is where I see myself fitting best! 👍

 

[angldrps]

It is 🙂 Nothing against AZCOM or LECOM-B because both schools were great, but if I had to choose I'd prefer to not have to deal with the price of AZCOM or switch to PBL for LECOM-B (I know myself, lectures are for me), especially when I'm not from either region. Marian is where I see myself fitting best! 👍

great! I am sure you have made the best choice possible. 🙂

 

[GopherMD]

CCOM has an excellent reputation, but I wouldn't necessarily say they give you a better opportunity at competitive specialties. LECOM's OPTI (Residency programs created/supported by lecom) is getting enormous and has created residencies in Derm, Gas, ENT, Ortho, Surg, Endo (fellowship), Cards (fellowship), and optho all in the past 2 years. I'll be rotating at a location that is opening new derm/endo/cards/surg slots next year 😀. Once again I think CCOM is an awesome school, but I wouldn't say you'd be necessarily better off there for competitive residencies.


EM is definitely getting more competitive, I can say that.

I take it you are a med student at CCOM?

 

[Mehd School]

Didn't a CCOM grad match UChicago Opthalmology last year? Baller status.

Definitely go to CCOM. It's on a different level than LECOM.

 

[HockeyDr09]

I take it you are a med student at CCOM?

2nd year at LECOM

 

[GopherMD]

2nd year at LECOM

Ah, I should have read your post more closely

 

[Dr Yiot]

lecom is much cheaper. thats a lot of money. thats extra YEARS of paying them back.

who ever said iiiif you want something competetive go CCOM. thats very wrong.

any school gives you the tools to match something competetive. its up to you to do the legwork.

we have plenty of residency programs and some good rotations also.

CCOM is a very good school. no doubt about it. but i just could not justify spending that much money.

I say lecom. unless for some odd reason you see yourself bieng more succesfull at ccom. then you take that into account.

 

[Druggernaut]

If you want to do something really competitive: CCOM
Anything else: LECOM

Midwesterns are just too expensive. Even OoS state schools (barring MSU) are ~15k cheaper a year. And as someone mentioned, Erie is going to be a lot cheaper to live in probably. Both places will be cold. Erie will be extremely snowy.

I mostly disagree with your first point. LECOM has never pushed primary care on us, and there are apparently people who will facilitate opportunities for students interested in certain specialties to network and build their resumes to match at prestigious programs. It's easy to complain about LECOM's obsessive attempts at maintaining a certain image, but it cuts both ways. They want us to match well.

I passed on schools that were slightly cheaper than CCOM for LECOM, and declined my AZCOM interview on account of the expense. It's just not worth it to pay an extra $100K (pre-interest, too) for the same degree.

No. As someone who knows a lot about both schools, CCOM rotations > LECOM rotations. Hands. Down.

But it's your board scores and audition rotations that matter (not necessarily the rotations you are assigned by the school). Both schools give you the opportunity and the guidance to do well on your boards and give you elective opportunities. I wouldn't take that comment to heart.

I'd be interested in why you think their rotations are so superior. We send people to University Hospital in Cleveland (major MD academic center with something like 1000 beds and every subspecialty imaginable), St. Elizabeth's in Youngstown, OH (550 bed Level I trauma center), Conemaugh in Johnstown, PA (450 bed Level I trauma center) for our bigger hospitals, and we have a pretty wide spread of hospitals coming in at around 250 beds (some of which almost exclusively take LECOM students and have or are opening competitive residencies in the next 2 years [(Arnot Ogden in Elmira, NY, for example, will apparently soon get ENT, radiology, emergency medicine, and more in addition to programs that are already open]). Many of them aren't in major urban areas like Chicago, but you'll still get a good education, and the cost of living will be lower. Additionally, almost everyone now has a "core" hospital and doesn't have to run all over the state or country to do rotations, unless they prefer that. I can't speak to specifics of what CCOM is running, but I'm very excited about the opportunities I'll be getting in my clinical years, and I think they're only going to get better.

But yes, board scores are very important. And you know who's up at the top year after year, don't you? 😉

CCOM has an excellent reputation, but I wouldn't necessarily say they give you a better opportunity at competitive specialties. LECOM's OPTI (Residency programs created/supported by lecom) is getting enormous and has created residencies in Derm, Gas, ENT, Ortho, Surg, Endo (fellowship), Cards (fellowship), and optho all in the past 2 years. I'll be rotating at a location that is opening new derm/endo/cards/surg slots next year 😀. Once again I think CCOM is an awesome school, but I wouldn't say you'd be necessarily better off there for competitive residencies.


EM is definitely getting more competitive, I can say that.

I wouldn't really concern myself with "reputation" for osteopathic schools. If you're applying into the allopathic world for residency, apparently even coming from the big name places like PCOM and CCOM, your interviewers will still be like, "Oh, that's one of those DO schools, right?" The residency programs that your school supports will usually favor you, though, so that's worth some consideration. Not a deal-breaker, but it's something.

EM is increasingly competitive. I don't forsee it getting to the level of surgical subspecialties or dermatology in our lifetimes, though. It's not a true "lifestyle" specialty, and the work is unique enough to turn a lot of people off. But that's a side issue.

 

[HockeyDr09]

I mostly disagree with your first point. LECOM has never pushed primary care on us, and there are apparently people who will facilitate opportunities for students interested in certain specialties to network and build their resumes to match at prestigious programs. It's easy to complain about LECOM's obsessive attempts at maintaining a certain image, but it cuts both ways. They want us to match well.

I passed on schools that were slightly cheaper than CCOM for LECOM, and declined my AZCOM interview on account of the expense. It's just not worth it to pay an extra $100K (pre-interest, too) for the same degree.



I'd be interested in why you think their rotations are so superior. We send people to University Hospital in Cleveland (major MD academic center with something like 1000 beds and every subspecialty imaginable), St. Elizabeth's in Youngstown, OH (550 bed Level I trauma center), Conemaugh in Johnstown, PA (450 bed Level I trauma center) for our bigger hospitals, and we have a pretty wide spread of hospitals coming in at around 250 beds (some of which almost exclusively take LECOM students and have or are opening competitive residencies in the next 2 years [(Arnot Ogden in Elmira, NY, for example, will apparently soon get ENT, radiology, emergency medicine, and more in addition to programs that are already open]). Many of them aren't in major urban areas like Chicago, but you'll still get a good education, and the cost of living will be lower. Additionally, almost everyone now has a "core" hospital and doesn't have to run all over the state or country to do rotations, unless they prefer that. I can't speak to specifics of what CCOM is running, but I'm very excited about the opportunities I'll be getting in my clinical years, and I think they're only going to get better.

But yes, board scores are very important. And you know who's up at the top year after year, don't you? 😉



I wouldn't really concern myself with "reputation" for osteopathic schools. If you're applying into the allopathic world for residency, apparently even coming from the big name places like PCOM and CCOM, your interviewers will still be like, "Oh, that's one of those DO schools, right?" The residency programs that your school supports will usually favor you, though, so that's worth some consideration. Not a deal-breaker, but it's something.

EM is increasingly competitive. I don't forsee it getting to the level of surgical subspecialties or dermatology in our lifetimes, though. It's not a true "lifestyle" specialty, and the work is unique enough to turn a lot of people off. But that's a side issue.

Did you actually read my post? I think you missed the point.

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[Druggernaut]

Did you actually read my post? I think you missed the point.

I did. I should've been more selective in my quoting. My second-to-last paragraph was really only addressing your first sentence there. I think we're pretty much in agreement, I just wanted to point out that reputation isn't going to score you too many points in the osteopathic world. We have no Harvards or Johns Hopkinses.

 

[cliquesh]

No. As someone who knows a lot about both schools, CCOM rotations > LECOM rotations. Hands. Down.

But it's your board scores and audition rotations that matter (not necessarily the rotations you are assigned by the school). Both schools give you the opportunity and the guidance to do well on your boards and give you elective opportunities. I wouldn't take that comment to heart.

I have only heard horrible things about erie's rotation sites. CCOM is the better school, but I don't know if it is 100k better. When I interviewed in Chicago, I was expecting a warm welcome because of CCOMs presents in the city, but some of my Chicago interviewers still gave me a hard time about being a DO.

 

[Colbare]

If you are at all interested in specializing I would go with CCOM if you have the choice. I was between LECOM-B and AZCOM and ended up at AZCOM with absolutely no regrets. I had the same debate with myself over the tuition, but you will be not be poor in the end regardless and you'll pay it off.

My gf chose AZCOM over LECOM-E and she's FROM Erie! She also has no regrets and loves it here so I think CCOM would be a comparable decision. If you are really interested in primary care however and are not looking to go for the more competitive residencies then LECOM might be your best option.

 

[DrMeows]

I'd be interested in why you think their rotations are so superior. We send people to University Hospital in Cleveland (major MD academic center with something like 1000 beds and every subspecialty imaginable), St. Elizabeth's in Youngstown, OH (550 bed Level I trauma center), Conemaugh in Johnstown, PA (450 bed Level I trauma center) for our bigger hospitals, and we have a pretty wide spread of hospitals coming in at around 250 beds (some of which almost exclusively take LECOM students and have or are opening competitive residencies in the next 2 years [(Arnot Ogden in Elmira, NY, for example, will apparently soon get ENT, radiology, emergency medicine, and more in addition to programs that are already open]). Many of them aren't in major urban areas like Chicago, but you'll still get a good education, and the cost of living will be lower. Additionally, almost everyone now has a "core" hospital and doesn't have to run all over the state or country to do rotations, unless they prefer that. I can't speak to specifics of what CCOM is running, but I'm very excited about the opportunities I'll be getting in my clinical years, and I think they're only going to get better.

But yes, board scores are very important. And you know who's up at the top year after year, don't you? 😉

I didn't mean to get in disagreements about the quality of rotations in this forum because to each his own. I agree with the fact I don't know if CCOM may be worth the 100,000 dollars extra, but I am not basing my opinions off of hear-say and reading SDN. I received a masters degree from Midwestern associated with CCOM and my significant other is currently a third year at LECOM Erie. I'm completely aware of where rotation opportunities are available (I'll give you Cleveland Clinic - that's pretty BA) for both schools and also how rotations are handled at both schools. After hearing about the hairball that LECOM provides with the process (basically making students do it all themselves) in addition to the quality of many sites (that aren't exactly desirable and yet students have to fill them), LECOM rotation sites don't sound too awesome to me. In response to the Elmira mention, that's one of my examples of a less than desirable place that needed to be filled. Sure more opportunities are being opened there, but I've heard a lot about that place first hand....and it's not exactly that great for the majority of people.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the reason LECOM is so much cheaper is because they do not pay hospitals to rotate there. And disagreements LECOMs president has gotten in with around-the-area hospitals has caused them to drop taking LECOM students. While there may be select good sites (i.e. Cleveland Clinic), the majority are not like that. Again idk if CCOM is worth the extra cash, but it makes you think about where that extra money is going to in regards to clinical education.

Also, I wouldn't compare board scores between the two schools. LECOM Erie is not LECOM Bradenton - the COMLEX scores are not the top in the country. And I'm pretty sure Erie's scores weren't as great last year as they have been in the past. If you're choosing between Erie and CCOM based on board scores it's a moot point, because both perform fairly decent.

Sorry for the ramble, just responding to your question 🙂 to be clear I'm not trying to hate on LECOM, just giving my viewpoints on the rotation situation.

 

[Dr Yiot]

I didn't mean to get in disagreements about the quality of rotations in this forum because to each his own. I agree with the fact I don't know if CCOM may be worth the 100,000 dollars extra, but I am not basing my opinions off of hear-say and reading SDN. I received a masters degree from Midwestern associated with CCOM and my significant other is currently a third year at LECOM Erie. I'm completely aware of where rotation opportunities are available (I'll give you Cleveland Clinic - that's pretty BA) for both schools and also how rotations are handled at both schools. After hearing about the hairball that LECOM provides with the process (basically making students do it all themselves) in addition to the quality of many sites (that aren't exactly desirable and yet students have to fill them), LECOM rotation sites don't sound too awesome to me. In response to the Elmira mention, that's one of my examples of a less than desirable place that needed to be filled. Sure more opportunities are being opened there, but I've heard a lot about that place first hand....and it's not exactly that great for the majority of people.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the reason LECOM is so much cheaper is because they do not pay hospitals to rotate there. And disagreements LECOMs president has gotten in with around-the-area hospitals has caused them to drop taking LECOM students. While there may be select good sites (i.e. Cleveland Clinic), the majority are not like that. Again idk if CCOM is worth the extra cash, but it makes you think about where that extra money is going to in regards to clinical education.

Also, I wouldn't compare board scores between the two schools. LECOM Erie is not LECOM Bradenton - the COMLEX scores are not the top in the country. And I'm pretty sure Erie's scores weren't as great last year as they have been in the past. If you're choosing between Erie and CCOM based on board scores it's a moot point, because both perform fairly decent.

Sorry for the ramble, just responding to your question 🙂 to be clear I'm not trying to hate on LECOM, just giving my viewpoints on the rotation situation.

lecom erie's pbl actually just beat out bradentons pbl board scores this year,

every school has some rotation sites that arent great and some that are great

every school has mandatory rotations at certain places and required rotations somewhere

lecom is not the only school that does not pay for rotations and those that do, dont pay all that much.

yes sometimes rotations get dropped, this happens at other schools too

you dont pick rotations completely by yourself, its more complicated than that and you do work with your faculty to a certain extent

 

[DrMeows]

Again, I wasn't looking to get in an argument at all or shoot down LECOM. If you look back to my first post in this thread, I even told the person who made this thread to go with Erie.

Just giving my opinions and providing some of my reasons for them. I'm aware rotation picking is more complicated: I've heard the more detailed explanation. I really don't like the location versus sequence dichotomy either, if you want me to give another reason on that. LECOM is just way more complicated than any other school that I've been to when it comes to picking rotations that's all. In the end, people like the way certain schools work and don't like the way others do. I just wouldn't be happy with the way LECOM works for their clinical years, which is why I believe CCOM is better in that aspect. But I'm not going to LECOM so it doesn't really matter 🙂

Also, I apologize thank you for correcting me with Erie PBL board scores. However thats only 40 out of the 300ish students right? Just goes to show PBL >>> other pathways for LECOM since Erie PBL and Bradenton seem to be scoring high. But it would be misinformed to judge all of Erie based off of such a small percentage of the class's scores.

 

[Mbeas]

But yes, board scores are very important. And you know who's up at the top year after year, don't you? 😉

source? there are several DO schools that toot the highest board scores/pass rates. until the numbers are officially published, i'll continue to think that my school has the highest scores 😀

 

[HockeyDr09]

I didn't mean to get in disagreements about the quality of rotations in this forum because to each his own. I agree with the fact I don't know if CCOM may be worth the 100,000 dollars extra, but I am not basing my opinions off of hear-say and reading SDN. I received a masters degree from Midwestern associated with CCOM and my significant other is currently a third year at LECOM Erie. I'm completely aware of where rotation opportunities are available (I'll give you Cleveland Clinic - that's pretty BA) for both schools and also how rotations are handled at both schools. After hearing about the hairball that LECOM provides with the process (basically making students do it all themselves) in addition to the quality of many sites (that aren't exactly desirable and yet students have to fill them), LECOM rotation sites don't sound too awesome to me. In response to the Elmira mention, that's one of my examples of a less than desirable place that needed to be filled. Sure more opportunities are being opened there, but I've heard a lot about that place first hand....and it's not exactly that great for the majority of people.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the reason LECOM is so much cheaper is because they do not pay hospitals to rotate there. And disagreements LECOMs president has gotten in with around-the-area hospitals has caused them to drop taking LECOM students. While there may be select good sites (i.e. Cleveland Clinic), the majority are not like that. Again idk if CCOM is worth the extra cash, but it makes you think about where that extra money is going to in regards to clinical education.

Also, I wouldn't compare board scores between the two schools. LECOM Erie is not LECOM Bradenton - the COMLEX scores are not the top in the country. And I'm pretty sure Erie's scores weren't as great last year as they have been in the past. If you're choosing between Erie and CCOM based on board scores it's a moot point, because both perform fairly decent.

Sorry for the ramble, just responding to your question 🙂 to be clear I'm not trying to hate on LECOM, just giving my viewpoints on the rotation situation.

There is nothing wrong with a little disagreement on here, it shows both sides, and I did not view you as being argumentative, so no worries there. I've already stated that CCOM is a solid school, I have a few friends over there and they seem to love it. There are many schools that do not pay their rotation sites (PCOM comes to mind), and with a tuition that has held steady at 30k, I think it's a fair trade-off. We went through a HUGE revamp of the rotations selection this year, and have been moving toward the path of just having you rotate at one hospital center, and then have the opportunity to do your electives where-ever you wish.

I'm legitimately surprised that you've mentioned elimra as on of the poor rotations. I'm sure the location isn't ideal (central NY) and there are students who wind up there despite it not being their first choice, but I've honestly heard nothing but good reviews about the education there from the 3rd years I know. If you polled the current 2nd years (who have gone through the "newer rotation system") I'd be surprised if you had a majority that were unhappy with where they were going. You have the opportunity to rotate in NY/PA/OH/MI/CA which is a decent pool to choose from. The class of 2014 and earlier went through a different rotation system and I can understand if they were unhappy with the turnout.

I honestly can't speak to CCOM's rotations, because I'm not at all familiar with them, but I'm sure they have some great ones, and some not so great ones. I think that's standard for most schools. Personally I'm happy with my choice of LECOM, I don't think I would have been as successful elsewhere, but that's just my story.

 

[angldrps]

lecom erie's pbl actually just beat out bradentons pbl board scores this year,

every school has some rotation sites that arent great and some that are great

every school has mandatory rotations at certain places and required rotations somewhere

lecom is not the only school that does not pay for rotations and those that do, dont pay all that much.

yes sometimes rotations get dropped, this happens at other schools too

you dont pick rotations completely by yourself, its more complicated than that and you do work with your faculty to a certain extent

Has this info. been officially released? Bradenton students say they have the top scores, while I have seen the same claims being made from students of schools like KCUMB and some others. 😕

 

[DrMeows]

There is nothing wrong with a little disagreement on here, it shows both sides, and I did not view you as being argumentative, so no worries there. I've already stated that CCOM is a solid school, I have a few friends over there and they seem to love it. There are many schools that do not pay their rotation sites (PCOM comes to mind), and with a tuition that has held steady at 30k, I think it's a fair trade-off. We went through a HUGE revamp of the rotations selection this year, and have been moving toward the path of just having you rotate at one hospital center, and then have the opportunity to do your electives where-ever you wish.

I'm legitimately surprised that you've mentioned elimra as on of the poor rotations. I'm sure the location isn't ideal (central NY) and there are students who wind up there despite it not being their first choice, but I've honestly heard nothing but good reviews about the education there from the 3rd years I know. If you polled the current 2nd years (who have gone through the "newer rotation system") I'd be surprised if you had a majority that were unhappy with where they were going. You have the opportunity to rotate in NY/PA/OH/MI/CA which is a decent pool to choose from. The class of 2014 and earlier went through a different rotation system and I can understand if they were unhappy with the turnout.

I honestly can't speak to CCOM's rotations, because I'm not at all familiar with them, but I'm sure they have some great ones, and some not so great ones. I think that's standard for most schools. Personally I'm happy with my choice of LECOM, I don't think I would have been as successful elsewhere, but that's just my story.

I don't know anything about PCOM so that's a good example. LECOM is the only one I officially knew of that did not pay rotation sites. And it's good to know you guys are changing the system of choosing rotations 🙂 information I get is from the c/o 2014 so it's nice to know LECOM is improving something many students in that class seemed unhappy with. And all i meant was that Elmira was in the middle of no where, i wasn't commenting on the quality of clinical education. I just remember being told it was a rather boring experience because nothing exciting really happened as far as patients/cases.

I don't remember what we were even talking about in the first place now lol. Rotations? Right. Seems like LECOM is trying to better them overall so kudos to them 👍